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Japan to encourage online medical care as COVID, flu spread in winter

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For people not at risk, they will be said to stay at home and isolate, the length will depend on the Covid test. Basically, self-diagnosis will be exactly the same.

450000 cases a day of Covid ?

It has never been that and as they do not count anymore, I see that as a pessimistic forecast.

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> Prime Minister Fumio Kishida stressed at a government review meeting involving health ministry officials the need for "preemptive preparations," calling on the Japan Medical Association and other organizations to cooperate in the rollout of vaccines and to improve the health care system.

Kishida is hardly the poster boy to give advice on avoiding infection.

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Once again, another "close the barn door after the horses have run out" approach to implementing a much needed service! Far too many times here things are done after the fact.

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yes, we understand, the Japanese medical system is dead!

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Haven't seen one is it up yet?

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It comes a long time after other countries but at least now it is part of the official priorities to encourage telemedicine, I just hope that the inevitable problems (events like misdiagnosis or insufficient care for the patients) will not make the government to put the brakes, if the benefits of the medical intervention outweigh the costs and risks it should be implemented as fast and fully as possible.

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when COVID-19 and seasonal influenza are expected to spread simultaneously.

and the massive influx of untested tourists…

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They did this in Canada. Made you call in first and then you had to go go to some website and fill in information. You can't get an appointment anymore and see your family doctor. Its nuts! Once they implement this system in Japan (all in Japanese I presume), you'll have people dying at home because they either don't have internet access or they simply can't talk to a real person.

Its actually easier for your pet to see a vet than for a human being to see a doctor. This is a horrible idea.

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Finally, influenza is returning. How can I distinguish what I have without using a test?

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Finally, influenza is returning. How can I distinguish what I have without using a test?

If you were able to determine that it's either of the two then you're probably smart enough to determine specifically which one

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Madatory isolation ends in Australia today. It's like covid didn't exist. We've moved on and Japan needs to as well.

Covid is still here but now it's seen as more like the flu. People are encoraged to stay home if they're sick llke any other illness but that's all.

Masks are mandatory at aged care facilities and hospitals but actually makes sense covid or not.

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At least they are admitting that covid and the flu are basically the same now...time to move on!

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But covid and the flu don't coexist. Or was that all BS from the beginning? Like asymptomatic spread and PCR to diagnose infection.

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I can see this spiraling downward rapidly.

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I don't know why companies such as US's Teladoc not look to international markets like Japan. They've well and truly proven the model works, and works efficiently, and bring massive value to patients. Japan is a densely populated country it makes sense to do as much online consultation as possible so as to avoid a contagious patient spreading diseases whilst commuting.

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@divinda

Exactly right!

And if anyone had their eyes open then that fact was pretty obvious months or years ago and obvious to Rob Roos who asked the question.

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Where is the famous seasonal influenza?

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Very queer indeed that flu too a break for a couple of years and can come back in such highly predicted numbers.of course with the measures people were taking we would expect a fall but with countries claiming zero cases over a couple of years, common sense says it’s all utter tosh.

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falseflagsteveToday  12:12 pm JST

Very queer indeed that flu too a break for a couple of years and can come back in such highly predicted numbers.of course with the measures people were taking we would expect a fall but with countries claiming zero cases over a couple of years, common sense says it’s all utter tosh.

Can you name a particular country claiming zero cases over a couple of years?

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I don't see any mention of monkey pox has that dissapeared now and what happened to polio has that gone away again ?

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Flu is back from its hiatus. Hilarious.

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So if masks are so effective in reducing COVID infections ... how is the daily case count going to increase by more than a factor of 10 in just two or three months' time?????

Obviously the masks are not effective. They don't work..

That is not obvious, in fact it can be demonstrated as a false statement scientifally. Other explanations are available, such as the very important relaxation of measures to control the spreading and the prevalence of a very infectious variant. Your reasoning is like saying seat belts don't work because now we have more dead drivers than before they were commonly used.

If this 10-fold increase does happen, shouldn't that be proof positive -- as if we haven't had such proof already, with the COVID being nearly three years old and after seven waves -- that the masks don't work???

No, it would not. For that you would need evidence that no further increase happens without the masks (and that other measures remain constant) Without that evidence the only thing you can say is that masks are not perfectly effective and prevent transmission as a standalone measure, but that is something nobody have said.

What you need to prove your point is an epidemiological study that compares transmission rates between two populations that are the same in other things except in mask use and that confirms there is no difference in rates of infection.

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I would rather stick with a doctor I trust, rather than an online system that is much more likely to simply repeat the pharma narrative.

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I'm pretty sure they now know that it is not anything to worry about. No problem promoting hypochondria to the population to sell pills and other drugs, but when it gets out of hand they show their cards. Money money money, why we know the "health" industry is not in business to make people healthy.

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If so, the WHO made a mistake:

You keep repeating this even when the actual evidence for the effectiveness of masks while used by asymptomatic people actually was obtained during the pandemic (and the reason why this is reflected in the change of recommendation of scientific authorities lke the CDC as well).

You said you had references that proved masks were demonstrated as effective preventing infections while used by asymptomatic people in the general population, but have never brought any such reference. Did you finally found it? or you are again trying to argue the CDC was mistaken for not having a time machine and know things that would be found in the future?

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I think the real problems will kick in once the cases start rising with flu infections as well as Covid. Both are respiratory illnesses and both can cause difficulties in vulnerable people: elderly, immunosuppressed, asthmatics, etc... It's all about when these people need primary care treatment, and when can they get by with warm beds and lots of fluid.

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Recently joined LINE drugstore.

I chat with my doctor and medicine is paid on line and dispensed.

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I would rather stick with a doctor I trust, rather than an online system that is much more likely to simply repeat the pharma narrative.

In Japan, traveling Pharma representatives give lectures to doctors.

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The Covid and flu care regime is sensible. Recovering at home unless you are vulnerable or your health dramatically declines.

A general switch to telemedicine, which I'm not sure this is, would be a terrible idea. It works very badly. At best it can offer limited triage, to decide whether you need to see a doctor, go to A&E or worry less.

Patient examinations are fundamental to medicine. Many find it difficult to explain their condition and are uncomfortable talking to a screen. Vulnerable women and folk with mental health problems suffer the most as they may not have privacy and safety enough at home to describe their problems. And of course people cannot do blood, urine or swab tests at home. Even seeing a mole would be difficult on Zoom.

You will see a rise in missed diagnoses, including cancers. Those uncomfortable with the tech or unable to use it, will just take painkillers instead. Things that could have been treated won't be seen until they may be untreatable. Incidental health problems will also be missed.

GPs were amongst the most respected people in the UK pre-Covid. Then, when all the other key workers stayed at their posts, they hid away and resorted to Zoom. They rapidly become unpopular and jokes about their rarity is common. Many people believe that doctors using telemedicine are only doing half their job and should only get half their pay.

But as I said, I'm not sure this is about a full shift to telemedicine. They just don't want people to turn up at flu outpatient clinics as soon as they sneeze, not least because hospitals are great places to catch Covid. Even Japan seems finally to be accepting that Covid is just another endemic bug, and it is time to get on with life. Project Fear worked so well in Japan that normalising society is proving difficult for the government. Having Japanese people panic at the first snuffle and dash off to hospital is not an option any more.

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The government anticipates that COVID-19 and flu infections will peak at 450,000 cases and 300,000 cases per day, respectively.

8th wave is coming.

You keep repeating this even when the actual evidence for the effectiveness of masks while used by asymptomatic people actually was obtained during the pandemic (and the reason why this is reflected in the change of recommendation of scientific authorities lke the CDC as well).

A fact is a fact, regardless of your personal bias. Despite evidence of the effectiveness of masks and despite global experts opinions the WHO gave the wrong advice. Of course, you have no source that concludes wearing masks increase the rate of transmission of Covid, because that would be silly, right? It's only your opinion.

Here's a source:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html

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A fact is a fact, regardless of your personal bias. Despite evidence of the effectiveness of masks and despite global experts opinions the WHO gave the wrong advice.

The fact is that the evidence of efficacy of masks used by asymptomatic people in the general population did not exist at the beginning of the pandemic, as surely as you again failed to produce a reference that shows it. Which means the CDC, WHO etc were perfectly justified to advice for masks to be prioritized to hospitals. That is the opposite of giving the wrong advice.

As always, you could prove this is not the case by providing this evidence from before 2020, but as always you will not produce anything and just call it a fact without having any basis. That is not an opinion, it can be clearly seen by your lack of sources.

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painkiller

you have posted many times that people should wear masks as you also said you do and even said borders should be closed and follow China's lockdown approach.

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An unsettling prediction from the article: "The government anticipates that COVID-19 and flu infections will peak at 450,000 cases and 300,000 cases per day, respectively."

Truer words were never said: "It ain't over until its over." And it ain't over yet. Mask up.

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