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Well here it is!

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Japan to experiment with proof of vaccination at big sporting events

Next they'll need proof vaccination for work and school

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Great!

Next they'll need proof vaccination for work and school

Hopefully.

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"Next they'll need proof vaccination for work and school."

Good idea. I hope they do.

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Perfect. Let those who choose to deny science and refuse the vaccine live with their decisions.

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50 million unvaccinated Japanese (and their families) will now spend their money elsewhere.

Businesses that don’t discriminate are getting access to a huge pot of cash.

-7 ( +14 / -21 )

50 million unvaccinated Japanese (and their families) will now spend their money elsewhere.

Elsewhere in Japan.

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Burning Bush

50 million unvaccinated Japanese (and their families) will now spend their money elsewhere.

Yeah, right. So you're telling me that the avid Hanshin Tigers fan is going to stop supporting his team and do something else for entertainment?

I would expect they would get vaccinated so that they can go to the game.

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50 million unvaccinated Japanese (and their families) will now spend their money elsewhere.

Aren't the families included in the 50 million?

Anyway that's the idea, for the unvaccinated to spend their money elsewhere

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cla68....

Policies that promote health and encourage the belief in science do not fit into the definition of fascism.

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Policies that promote health and encourage the belief in science do not fit into the definition of fascism.

Hence Russia's weak vaccine.

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The J league boss was proud a few months back on tv that they set up cameras to observe the saliva droplets spread in the space , and that no infection has been reported at J league games.

So, no need to implement anything.

We all know that outdoors contamination are nearly nil.

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But, but, the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. It only lessens the chances of ending up in the ICU.

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So what is the proof of vaccination going to look like? The sheet of paper with the two stickers w. your vaccination dates on it? A card from the govt.? A letter from your mom?

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With all the high profile school sports events happening in the next few months, I think this is a good idea.

Sports without an atmosphere doesn't feel right, let's have spectators in a safe manner again.

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I noticed the My Number card being promoted too... Eventually they'll all be combined into social credit.

I hope anyone wanting this system enacted lives a perfect life or be prepared to suffer for insulting the government because someone's phone heard you

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I hope anyone wanting this system enacted lives a perfect life or be prepared to suffer for insulting the government because someone's phone heard you

What exactly is this system you're imagining?

I can't want it if I don't know it

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I would expect they would get vaccinated so that they can go to the game.

I think you'll find that when beliefs are deeply held, like for example vegans not consuming animal products or Muslims not eating pork, those don't change on a whim.

The tactics of ridicule, ostracizing and discrimination simply don't work on people with firmly held beliefs.

Nothing will change except the leagues will lose out on revenue they desperately need.

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Nothing will change except the leagues will lose out on revenue they desperately need.

The experiment is to test if allowing only the vaccinated will allow the venues to accommodate more people because at the moment they only allow part of capacity.

This is being done to get more revenue

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This is being done to get more revenue

If the SOE is being lifted the leagues should be allowed to accept any and all fans.

Aren't the families included in the 50 million?

No they are not.

In many a family of 5, if just one person is unvaccinated, they other 4 will accommodate them when planning their Sunday outing.

Which means this discrimination will affect not just unvaccinated people, but their vaccinated family and friends as well.

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Hence Russia's weak vaccine.

That's from the left-field. What does Russia's "weak" vaccine have to do with fascistic vaccine measures in Japan?

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/2021/09/03/san-marino-confirms-sputnik-v-vaccines-efficacy

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Excluding people from participating in society because they MIGHT be sick and spread a disease that is 99.99% curable? This is overreach. I say 'No' to dsicrimination and exclusion based on such personal medical decisions.

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But, but, the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. It only lessens the chances of ending up in the ICU.

For a few months.

They are using this system to push people to do something they don't want to do.

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Aren't the families included in the 50 million?

No they are not.

In many a family of 5, if just one person is unvaccinated, they other 4 will accommodate them when planning their Sunday outing.

Which means this discrimination will affect not just unvaccinated people, but their vaccinated family and friends as well.

Well how many instances of that situation do you think there are? I mean just a family of 5 seems pretty rare

Which reminds me, I haven't heard of the vaccinations slowing down, which is why they're starting to implement this

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I think you'll find that when beliefs are deeply held, like for example vegans not consuming animal products or Muslims not eating pork, those don't change on a whim.

How about the beliefs/attitudes of sports fans?

You think the fear of the vaccine will stop them?

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Which reminds me, I haven't heard of the vaccinations slowing down, which is why they're starting to implement this

Tokyo has had accessible vaccines for months.

Still over 45% of Japanese people have not taken the two shots.

They tried the walk-in vaccine tent in Shibuya but cancelled after 1 day because the it was rather embarrassing when the lines at the Crepe shop were longer.

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while a lot of evidence suggests after a few months, like as little as 2 ~ 6, vaccinated people are more likely to get symptomatic Covid and more likely to spread it.

It would greatly help if you could share some of that lot of evidence

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Tokyo has had accessible vaccines for months.

Still over 45% of Japanese people have not taken the two shots.

They tried the walk-in vaccine tent in Shibuya but cancelled after 1 day because the it was rather embarrassing when the lines at the Crepe shop were longer.

The difficulty of getting appointments points to great demand for the vaccine, not lack of it

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There have been tens of thousands, sometimes over 100,000, fans at events in the U.S. since April or March. No masks or proof of vaccines, and there has been no spread.

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Considering how every single thing, even the simplest thing, gets as complicated as possible here, this cannot work except as an experiment in the short term.

Until the government makes a database of those vaccinated, with confirmation of vaccination then verified through it, it is simply not in the human power to implement this. In Japan.

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It’s about time!

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Burning BushToday 07:31 am JST

50 million unvaccinated Japanese (and their families) will now spend their money elsewhere.

Businesses that don’t discriminate are getting access to a huge pot of cash.

exactly same opinion here.if someone will try to discriminate us based on some "prrof of vaccination" will not see single penny from me and my family.period.

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Burning BS....

They tried the walk-in vaccine tent in Shibuya but cancelled after 1 day because the it was rather embarrassing when the lines at the Crepe shop were longer.

Completely false. Still open , still very busy everyday.

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 Most US companies now require that their employees be vaccinated. Other services in the private and public sectors will follow suit.

And meanwhile, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and other countries are starting to ban this type of discrimination.

I hate to break it to you but the US is not the center of the universe.

And even in Biden's America there are huge pockets of freedom where all people are welcome and treated with respect.

The policies of division and segregation will fail, they always do.

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Let the shops, restaurants, etc., decide. Let the put up signs: unvaccinated welcome! Or . . . Only vaccinated admitted!

It’s a free country, that’s what the unvaccinated always scream.

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exactly same opinion here.if someone will try to discriminate us based on some "prrof of vaccination" will not see single penny from me and my family.period.

You're missing the point.

That's exactly the reason for requiring vaccine certificate.

If you don't have one they don't want you or your business.

But if you do have one but doesn't want to patronize those businesses then of course it's a loss for them

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Ah sorry I missed this:

This is being done to get more revenue

If the SOE is being lifted the leagues should be allowed to accept any and all fans.

I'm not sure now but I think they only allow partial capacity SOE or no SOE.

In any case, if any business wants stable revenue then the risk of closure must be minimized.

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In any case, if any business wants stable revenue then the risk of closure must be minimized.

How about just leaving it up to each individual business.

No mandates from the government.

Let each business decide.

That is fair.

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How about just leaving it up to each individual business.

No mandates from the government.

Let each business decide.

That is fair.

Yup that is fair.

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The English Premier League and others, are doing it. Show fully vaccinated two shots, or test within 72 hours to gain stadium entry.

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 or test within 72 hours to gain stadium entry.

so actually no vaccination required for entry.

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Burning BushToday 02:28 pm JST

 or test within 72 hours to gain stadium entry.

so actually no vaccination required for entry.

Yes, vaccination or test.

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keeps the public safe in knowledge that the person next to them is also vaccinated and thus creating a safe environment for everyone to enjoy the event. It is important to adjust the number of patrons based on outcome.

That is the indeed THE major Dogme of this new Covidist religion "Vaccinated Chosen are safe and are creating a safe environment for all, Alleluyah", "Vaccinated & Unvaccinacted will carry and transmit the virus to the others" is Heresy, probably nothing will convince you anyway now, so obviously you have your beliefs like some had in the past that "the earth was the center of the universe and not orbiting around the sun, heresy".

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BTW..... just walked past the Shibuya walk in vaccination center... Still open .. Not a massive queue, 5 or 6 in line.

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Those proof papers or their digital representation prove nothing more than that someone personally went to a vaccination place once or twice. It’s of no use and has not much of correlation to prove that he got a working vaccine, received or developed immunity, does now less spreading or is of lower dangers of further developing hot spots and the like. There are even some probable or possible constellations or cases when an anti-vaxxer is less dangerous or has a higher immunity than someone who overcame a known infection or was vaccinated twice etc.

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Hahahaha

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or test within 72 hours to gain stadium entry.

so actually no vaccination required for entry.

so youre going to get tested every time you want to enter a event of restaurant!?

thats going to turn into an expensive lifestyle.

or you can just take the prove safe and effective vaccine.

but we know some will put recalcitrant pride over actual scientific evidence every time.

vaccine passports or proof of negative test are here, better get use to it.

bring on those antivax negative votes, it sustains me LOL

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As of Sept. 22 figures, 96% of Harvard employees and 95% of Harvard students were vaccinated. But despite this, their business school has moved classes online due to a COVID outbreak.

Kinda points out the obvious if you're not in denial.

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There have been tens of thousands, sometimes over 100,000, fans at events in the U.S. since April or March. No masks or proof of vaccines, and there has been no spread.

No spread? The US has a new case 7-day average floating around 120,000.

As of Sept. 22 figures, 96% of Harvard employees and 95% of Harvard students were vaccinated. But despite this, their business school has moved classes online due to a COVID outbreak. 

Kinda points out the obvious if you're not in denial.

The obvious being that a mere 4~5% of unvaccinated folk can cause an outbreak?

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There are even some probable or possible constellations or cases when an anti-vaxxer is less dangerous or has a higher immunity than someone who overcame a known infection or was vaccinated twice etc.

so were are these scientific studies youre probably or possible referring too, unless it is a peer reviewed reputable institution your opinion is just that an opinion. if youre sure your opinion is correct then why are those covid patients in hospitals all over the world account for over 90% of the patients

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why are those covid patients in hospitals all over the world account for over 90% of them unvaccinated

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