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Japan to give 4th COVID vaccine shots to medical, workers at elderly care facilities

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Canada has already said that they'll be changing the definition of fully vaccinated from number of doses to being "up to date"

Even if you have 4 shots, after 6 months, you'll be deemed unvaccinated unless you take the 5th.

Constantly shifting the goalposts is necessary because of "waning"

A term which should have been explained at the start of the vaccination program but wasn't.

17 ( +24 / -7 )

Absolute waste of time! Doesn’t stop transmission which is the whole point at those facilities. If the patients at those facilities have received their umpteenth shot then that is all that can be done! Don’t force the poor staff and workers to overdose on these useless vaccines that were designed for a no longer relevant variant!

5 ( +20 / -15 )

Those vaccines will be wasted if not being used, not all people in Japan interested in vaccine and so far is not get easier to be vaccinated in Japan, considering need to make appointment etc.

https://japantoday.com/category/national/740-000-moderna-doses-scrapped-due-to-expiration-in-27-japan-cities

2 ( +7 / -5 )

If at first you don't succeed, keep blindly doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Roll on the 5th dose.

12 ( +23 / -11 )

Just wait until Omicron specific booster becomes available in the fall.

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

Buy shares in drug companies! Soon it will be mandated you must vaccinate every six months. These vaccines cost up to $50 all up per dose. And they don’t work.

10 ( +21 / -11 )

Cue the armchair experts.

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

The definition of the word “vaccine” was changed, to accommodate this drug, to keep lawsuits at bay.

Much, much more attention was paid protecting the drug companies, than to the actual people being injected.

How many more shots will it take before people will wake up, to this?

7 ( +16 / -9 )

The definition of the word “vaccine” was changed, to accommodate this drug, to keep lawsuits at bay.

Would be helpful if you post the definitions

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

I'm not in any rush for this one. I am not at all skeptical of the benefits of vaccination, but given that every time I've suffered side effects that knock me out for a couple of days, and I feel like I JUST got the third vaccination, I'll hold off for now.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Doesn’t stop transmission which is the whole point at those facilities

IT does reduce it, so the point is clea

It is absoluetly crazy, that there are still people around who do say, this vaccine reduces the transmission, even in front of their eyes, cases are skyrocketing daily.

I Don't know if that is just ignorance or just stupidity .

Unbelievable.

But when I see the comments here on JT during the last werks, according different articles about spread and increasing cases, I am relieved to see, that more and more people see and especially understand the reality.

3 ( +11 / -8 )

Does anyone know if the novavax vaccine is available as a booster here in Japan?

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Vaccines have been extremely useful in preventing deaths and even lowering infection and transmission, the result being expected is the same it has been obtained until now.

Hey Virusrex, explain this one away:

Per raw data from NHK

Total 2020 Covid-19 deaths, Japan (before country had vaccines): 3492

Total 2021 Covid-19 deaths, Japan (vaccines available halfway through the year): 14901

2022 Covid-19 deaths between January and July, Japan (population 80% vaccinated): 13141

The number of Covid-19 deaths in an 80% fully vaccinated Japan is set to exceed the number of deaths in a not fully vaccinated Japan.

Even if that is due to higher transmissibility, its still a higher number of deaths, hence objectively a failure.

8 ( +15 / -7 )

That the vaccine do reduce the transmission and spread of the virus, just works on paper. It was told to the public based on Data and reports.

But these reports were proved wrong and were debunked by the reality.

If the weather report is telling me, it will be raining today, but then the weather shows up as sunny, should I still say... No, No, the weather report is correct, it is raining.

Even the reality shows and proves me opposite, because it is sunny and not raining?

But anyway, each person is free to believe whatever he or she wants to believe.

Therefore we are living in a free world.

3 ( +10 / -7 )

Wolfshine, the same is true in every country that touts ”80%” vaccination rate. So the deaths ”postponed” from waves 1-6 are taking place now. And at what cost? The young lives financially ruined for life, mental health issues, developmental problems for kids who cannot see the lips move, etc.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Twice vaccinated, I can personally confirm the vaccine has been useless to prevent transmission.

And many bolstered around me have been in the same case

6 ( +12 / -6 )

this makes no sense.

in our working place most of people are vaccinated by 3 shots and guess what.

last week business was closed because of covid outbreak here.no face masks have stopped it,no 3 vaccines have stopped it.

this is just business.gov have bought 4th shots by our tax money so need to use them.it does makes sense from medical point of view as vaccines are worthless but yes-money are spent.

3 ( +8 / -5 )

adding that the government will use its strengthened COVID-19 response capability to stem the spread of infections.

What is this strengthened COVID-19 response capability? You still can't even get a test at most medical facilities.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

therougouToday  10:27 am JST

What is this strengthened COVID-19 response capability? You still can't even get a test at most medical facilities.

At least in Tokyo, you can just walk in to get tested in several places. But my question is, why would you want to? It brings no benefit to know if you are not in a high risk group. Is your runny nose and sore throat because of influenza, common cold or corona makes no difference. Stay home a few days and you’re good to go.

1 ( +7 / -6 )

The definition of the word “vaccine” was changed, to accommodate this drug, to keep lawsuits at bay.

Would be helpful if you post the definitions

https://technofog.substack.com/.../cdc-emails-our...

https://web.archive.org/.../vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

5 ( +6 / -1 )

The previous CDC Definitions of Vaccine and Vaccination 8/26/21

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administrated through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

The CDC Definitions of Vaccine and Vaccination since 9/01/21

Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administrated through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Thank you!

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

I'd it keeps people out of hospital then good.. I'll have a 4th if offered.

@Bronco, Stop using the 'goalposts' scenario. This virus had moved the goalposts. If boosters (which do us no harm apart from a small arm and maybe a low grade fever) let the economy continue to function and live without restrictions then so be it.

Who cares about a definition a year ago? A year ago many things were different!

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

Obviously the spotlight is on the word "immunity".

my question is if they can be sued under the old definition why haven't they been sued before for all the other supposed "vaccines"? (Maybe they were sued, I honestly don't know)

Are all the other "vaccines" fit the old definition?

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

That has been repeatedly explained everytwhere, variants with a huge advantage on transmission happened, that is why trying to make your comparison is too obviously invalid.

You are making excuses for the vaccines inability to prevent death, and this time I actually gave you data, so I don't want to hear some bologna about how I am lacking a source for my information.

In the first half of 2022 Covid produced more deaths in an 80% vaccinated Japan than in the first half of 2021 when Japan was basically unvaccinated.

Surprise, vaccine that doesn't actually prevent transmission, won't actually prevent death, because the transmissibility of the virus increases over time. Even if the death rate is lower, it is still killing roughly the same amount of people.

So in quarters 3 and 4 of 2022, when BA.5 kills another 15,000 Japanese people, mostly vaccinated and boosted, what will the excuses be next time?

1 ( +8 / -7 )

You are making excuses for the vaccines inability to prevent death

No excuse is necessary because they do prevent death very efficiently, what you are talking about is an argument that completely disproves yours and that you have not addressed, which means you are recognizing it as true.

In the first half of 2022 Covid produced more deaths in an 80% vaccinated Japan than in the first half of 2021 when Japan was basically unvaccinated.

Again just like more people die now with obligatory seat belts than before they were used, because other factors are driving the numbers up, the vaccines have clearly helped reducing the rates of death which would be impossible if your explanation was true.

Surprise, vaccine that doesn't actually prevent transmission

Studies say they do, so your faulty reasoning is not enough to disprove it, produce the data, not a debunked explanation that contradicts the reality.

So in quarters 3 and 4 of 2022, when BA.5 kills another 15,000 Japanese people, mostly vaccinated and boosted, what will the excuses be next time?

Again no need of excuses, omicron causes much more cases, death rates are much lower than last year, specially in vaccinated people, how do your explanation address this much more excessive death rates between unvaccinated people? just saying most deaths are from vaccinated people does nothing because after all there are much more vaccinated people and the groups that are at much more risk are included. If people of those groups used to represent 99% of the deaths and now they are on comparable numbers with the unvaccinated that means that 98% of excess are being prevented.

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

@Wolfshine - The total flaw in your argument is that using 2021 is irrelevant as Omicron which we all know is a lot more transmissible and even more so with each new sub variant it would seem as you yourself has stated.

Yes, Covid kills - and the death rate is lower. But so many more people are contracting it. There are no excuses, but there no point in my mind NOT to be unvaccinated and reduce my chance of death. Since there are no other preventative drugs that have the same effect then you are just plain wrong, and you can throw all the data/sources you want at us, but bothered tbh. Its July 2022 now, Not July 2021. Goalposts move - even though people such as @Bronco might not like it.

I've had 3 shots, I 'think' I've had Covid once, possibly twice and I'm OK. But I'm over 50 so I will always wonder if I would have got sicker without that protection, but I'm pretty sure it stopped the virus advancing.

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

We stopped at two. Unless it's a travel requirement we are done.

4 ( +9 / -5 )

We stopped at two. Unless it's a travel requirement we are done.

Will you tell us if you changed your mind?

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

I have not had a single shot, but wear a mask and gloves and keep away from people. I will never get one of these useless dangerous shots. They don't work, there have been many side effects, and my vaxxed friends have all got sick multiple times. I had covid very mildly towards the start of the pandemic in Feb 2020.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

Wearing a mask, gloves and keeping away from people sounds a real hoot!

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Japan to give 4th COVID vaccine shots to medical, workers at elderly care facilities

Do they want it?

4 ( +6 / -2 )

The pharmaceutical companies are really slow rolling the updated vaccines. My wife and I got Pfizer 3 times. We will get Moderna this time.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

I find being alive and well a hoot.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Fear and Loathing : That is not being alive.

Being vaxxed, keeping your hands clean, wearing a mask on the train and other crowded places and getting on with life normally is sufficient. You will look back and see 3-4 years of your life wasted.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

People still die from covid if they have had the vaxx. You are fooling yourself that you are safe to live life as it was.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

From the perspective of having my sister pass away from COVID

(she was already at risk being elderly and diabetic),

why was this push not seen during influenza seasons? It is has similar mortality rates.

I do not remember any "flu-lockdowns" or mandates. Also, why only post "cases" instead of "covid related deaths"?

My theory (not fact) is if the actual death rates were published, many would see just how survivable it is.

I myself had in March 2021, and yes it is "no joke". I was ill for a week, but overcame it just as I do with flu (which is just as deadly).

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Im sorry to hear of the loss of your sister, Miki. My sincere condolences. The whole thing is an absolute disaster and one that I don't believe is naturally occurring, but that aside, yes it is very survivable for those who are fitter, and has similar survival rates to flu.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

I wonder if there is a relationship between people who regularly had the seasonal flu vaccination and death from COVID regardless whether vaccinated or not ?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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