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thanks, I guess?

11 ( +14 / -3 )

I am glad Japan is trying to make it easier for us foreigners because currently my local government has zero influence in English at least as far as I can find.

12 ( +17 / -5 )

"Hurdles"? There are no hurdles...as long as you can read/write and are fluent in Nihongo.

-27 ( +7 / -34 )

If your visa is in order and you're paying your taxes, there should be no problem.

13 ( +17 / -4 )

Hurdles"? There are no hurdles...as long as you can read/write and are fluent in Nihongo.

it clearly states the info will be in English.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

Hiroshi13

"Hurdles"? There are no hurdles...as long as you can read/write and are fluent in Nihongo.

Yup, that exactly is the attitude of many places & people in Japan. Where I'm from, a small country in Europe, we offer service, at least in the form of information leaflets, in multiple languages (at least English, Swedish, German, French, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, but often also other languages, like Urdu) pretty much anywhere (immigration, tax office, employment office, posts, banks, etc..). Service staff is often required to speak at least 3 languages. And Japan can't do even the most crucial websites, even in English?

27 ( +32 / -5 )

If you are a foreigner living in Japan, you should at least be able to speak Japanese at a minimum. Writing, maybe not so much..

-42 ( +7 / -49 )

I guess they're talking about ALL foreigners. with or without visas. Most of us are having comfortable lives,subsidized taxes, insurance, pension etc. But they're foreigners who earn hourly salary with no perks, some no visas.

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

And Japan can't do even the most crucial websites, even in English?

What's really annoying is when the information in the Japanese and English version of the same website do not match - the immigration website was (is?) a classic example, where the criteria for a particular service differed depending on if you were reading the Japanese or English version. My wife thought I had not applied correctly (as my application got rejected), until she realized the Japanese version had an additional criteria not listed in the English version.

20 ( +21 / -1 )

IT IS SIMPLE, use google translate Camera option to read the titles, do not go into the details, join your city line application and you can translate to English using line translator app. make reservation at the nearest hospital online, most hospitals are listed.

-20 ( +2 / -22 )

You only need your Health Insurance card and your Residents Card. We made our appointments over the phone. Drop off the forms one week before.

2 ( +8 / -6 )

I’ve had two SARS-CoV-2 tests so far. No problem and cheap.

vaccine, I will go to Russia

-22 ( +3 / -25 )

English is the de-facto business language of the world, but nobody can speak it here, especially all the zombies that work in the city halls, and immigration departments.

26 ( +32 / -6 )

Nice PR move prior to the Big O.

- “Under the policy, the govt will boost assist to foreigners who have difficulty in understanding…”

Nice that they didn’t forget about the 2.3% of the population, the critical labor force carding for the elderly, growing & harvesting their food, doing the hot, sweaty factory work, etc.

The govt will also promote the sharing of multilingual information about measures against the spread of the coronavirus.

This probably all just means printing, handing out and printing at more flyers with ‘the Three C’s”.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

I assume the picture on the front page today contains a sign saying something about a vaccination center. Would it have been so difficult to have the the words "Vaccination Center" written on it so at least those folks who do not read Japanese know they are in the right place?

9 ( +11 / -2 )

If you are a foreigner living in Japan, you should at least be able to speak Japanese at a minimum. Writing, maybe not so much..

With thinking like this, Japan will never become an "internationalized" country and forever be stuck in the dark ages!

If Japan wants to catch up with the world, it truly needs to become a multilingual country.

23 ( +28 / -5 )

You only need your Health Insurance card and your Residents Card. We made our appointments over the phone. Drop off the forms one week before.

Number one point NOT to follow! Not all municipalities run things the same way!

It is never safe to assume here that how one place does it, will mean all do the same.

14 ( +15 / -1 )

Foreigners who have difficulties are mostly the one being here for not long. And the Japanese skills and understanding on how the things do work are also limited.

For long term residents, whatever they master or not the language, they must have enough knowledge about the system and know where to get information. If they do not, it just mean they can not navigate by themselves in this country.

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

Will it actually be "great" support?

"Greater" will not difficult from the current position.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

The government will also promote the sharing of multilingual information about measures against the spread of the coronavirus.

It only took 18 months for them to do something to help the 2% of the population who are not Japanese.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

> GoodlucktoyouToday  04:43 pm JST

I’ve had two SARS-CoV-2 tests so far. No problem and cheap.

vaccine, I will go to Russia

Definitely "GoodLuckToYou" with the Russian vaccine. If you go quiet in a few months, we'll know why.

10 ( +17 / -7 )

thanks to the government for the effort

but I don't need vaccine, no problem

-17 ( +1 / -18 )

My Canadian body was able to book his appointment online after scanning the city office QR code and joining the city office line application, he said it was straight forward using some common sense and google translate, so stop the winning and go get vaccinated.

-15 ( +1 / -16 )

English is the de-facto business language of the world, but nobody can speak it here, especially all the zombies that work in the city halls, and immigration departments.

another great example of arrogance

you can back to your country if you dont like all those "zombies that work in the city halls"

-14 ( +7 / -21 )

I assume the picture on the front page today contains a sign saying something about a vaccination center. Would it have been so difficult to have the the words "Vaccination Center" written on it so at least those folks who do not read Japanese know they are in the right place?

the picture is so easy to be understood :

first line, something in Tokyo

second line, there is something big related to a center

go straight for the acceptance

-18 ( +0 / -18 )

If you are a foreigner living in Japan, you should at least be able to speak Japanese at a minimum.

And how about those who have only been in Japan for a year or two? Do you honestly think that everyone can learn that fast? There are many here who have spent six years learning English at school and still can't understand one spoken word.

As for helping foreigners, that's great but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Whenever that is.

15 ( +19 / -4 )

I'm fluent in Japanese and even I struggle every time trying to understand all the 'official' documents that the municipality/tax office/etc. sends lol.

13 ( +15 / -2 )

how about those who have only been in Japan for a year or two? Do you honestly think that everyone can learn that fast? There are many here who have spent six years learning English at school and still can't understand one spoken word.

There is a world of difference between trying to learn a language at school, (if you're in Japan, using a textbook that is out of date and/or full of mistakes, and possibly with a teacher who is less than fluent) and actually living in the country of the language you are trying to learn.

If you've been here (or anywhere) a year and have actually interacted with the locals instead of living in an English bubble, you can hardly avoid picking up enough spoken language to get by, even if the written language remains a mystery.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

If you are a foreigner living in Japan, you should at least be able to speak Japanese at a minimum.

I can't speak any Japanese at all despite living here for many years. I tried; I drove myself half crazy with home study, going to volunteer classes at the local library, paying for classes online, paying for a private tutor online, studying with wanikani and kitsun three times a day every day for years, joining online reading groups for the easiest mangas, really pushing myself to use Japanese when I was out and about, but nothing, nothing would stick. I drove my tutors crazy.... they'd spend an hour teaching me a simple phrase, but moments after the lesson, it was gone, like I'd never heard it before in my life.

People assume I'm arrogant or lazy for not being able to speak any Japanese. But no one would say I'm arrogant or lazy for not being able to do maths, or athletics. I'm simply not able to learn a foreign language, never have been.

13 ( +16 / -3 )

Lots of people have perfectly valid reasons to not speak the language, a little help from the government should not be something extraordinary but the default situation.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Perhaps learning Japanese would reduce the hurdles? If I can do it (not saying much about me) other people can.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

all the zombies that work in the city halls, and immigration departments.

I like them, actually. The people in my city hall are very nice and helpful even though they don't speak English (a little, and broken, as is my Nihongo).

People in the immigration are overworked, really, but they still serve until all the people who came before closing time, even if it's after 5PM.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

Hopefully they will provide the EXACT info in both English and Japanese. Not like is today with most government sites having almost completely different contents in English and only 10% of what you can find in Japanese site. And this is valid also for bank and financial sites too. A complete disaster.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Good on the government for doing this, but it’s their job anyway.

How do people register for the jab up there? Can you do it online? If so I’m sure having online registration in multiple languages would be ideal.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

I'd just happy to get a coupon, then take it from there. So far, i have heard nothing at all about me getting a vaccine, a part from a few confusing news articles. And I live in Tokyo.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

"Hopefully they will provide the EXACT info in both English and Japanese"

I am certain French, Spanish, Portuguese and Tongan speakers will thank you for that!!!

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

I'd rather they sent it to me in Japanese, actually -- or JUST Japanese. Whenever they try to bilingualize it I get 20 pages of Japanese explanation and then one line in English. It's like the ATM menu once you hit "English" and then it spits your card out -- from 12 menu selections to maybe one.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

You only need your Health Insurance card and your Residents Card. We made our appointments over the phone. Drop off the forms one week before.

What a palaver. Unnecessary hurdles and redtape which excludes many vulnerable people. Offer appointments, local ones too, don’t leave it up to individuals to chase around for one. Any paperwork can be dealt with at the vaccination centre but, really, there should be very little admin and fuss. A really crappy system.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Luddite we phoned and booked two appointments for both shots at a local clinic. One week before we drop off our appointment cards. On the day we show our Health Insurance card in my case Residents Card.

Which vulnerable people are you speaking about?

That is very little paperwork.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

 A really crappy system.

Sums it up quite well!

0 ( +1 / -1 )

@zichi People like my MIL, who is no longer mobile and cannot use the phone. You know who vulnerable people are; older people, those with disabilities, the housebound etc, especially those with no one to advocate for them.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Luddite

@zichi People like my MIL, who is no longer mobile and cannot use the phone. You know who vulnerable people are; older people, those with disabilities, the housebound etc, especially those with no one to advocate for them.

People can use a smartphone with speech. Housebound people can be taken for vaccination. If they are bedridden then probably they don't need the vaccinations. There are transport services for the disabled. There are daycare centres. In time maybe people can get the vaccination there.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

Luddite

How does your MIL visit hospitals and dentist?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

People can use a smartphone with speech. Housebound people can be taken for vaccination. If they are bedridden then probably they don't need the vaccinations. There are transport services for the disabled. There are daycare centres. In time maybe people can get the vaccination there.

You assume far too much. I guess you manage to overlook the uncountable number of cases where the caregiver is an elderly spouse who has little or no support.

You assume that the elderly all can use smartphones and you also fail to realize that the bedridden, and particularly those who go to daycare centers, NEED the vaccination the most, as they are the most vulnerable to COVID.

Just because you seem to be living in utopia does not mean everyone else is.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Yubaru

You assume far too much. I guess you manage to overlook the uncountable number of cases where the caregiver is an elderly spouse who has little or no support.

I was addressing Luddite directly in relationship to her MIL.

If people are housebound then the people needing the vaccinations most are the ones who come into contact with them. Carers and family members.

We taught our very elderly parents now to use smartphones with voice, and how to make an emergency call when needed. We would also receive alerts when that happened. We also showed them how to use iPads and make Skype and Facetime calls. Those happened every week until they both passed away a couple of years ago in their 90's.

I understand the difficulties of caring for people.

Just because you seem to be living in utopia does not mean everyone else is.

Your remark was uncalled for.

There isn't a solution where every single vulnerable person including the bedridden, severely disabled, care centre people will all get their vaccinations rapidly and within a short time. There are not enough doctors to start a house call vaccination program.

Not all people, vulnerable or otherwise want vaccinations.

I would assume Luddite's MIL has someone to care for her.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

We taught our very elderly parents now to use smartphones with voice, and how to make an emergency call when needed.

I am very happy for you, but just because you did something, does not mean you should assume everyone else does the same thing. You have a large tendency to overly generalize your comments and expand them to assume that everyone in Japan is the same as you. Yet the reality is far, far, from it!

I understand the difficulties of caring for people.

Guess what, you arent the only one,

Your remark was uncalled for.

There isn't a solution where every single vulnerable person including the bedridden, severely disabled, care centre people will all get their vaccinations rapidly and within a short time. There are not enough doctors to start a house call vaccination program.

Not all people, vulnerable or otherwise want vaccinations. I would assume Luddite's MIL has someone to care for her.

Actually it was very called for, as you again, assume and overly generalize that everyone is in the same situation or can get things done the same way as you. I have pointed out to you that this is NOT the truth!

People who read what you wrote, very well will be greatly disappointed because things didnt work out as they did for you.

It would be so much better if you would accept that, and adjust your commenting appropriately so that people do not misunderstand you. Tell people that "This is how things worked or went for me" , then people will know.

Dont assume, ask!

1 ( +2 / -1 )

I was addressing Luddite directly in relationship to her MIL.

FYI, I was addressing you and your response to Luddite!

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Hopefully they will provide the EXACT info in both English and Japanese. Not like is today with most government sites having almost completely different contents in English and only 10% of what you can find in Japanese site. And this is valid also for bank and financial sites too. A complete disaster.

@Euro Dude: You know Japanese people speak Japanese?... don't expect anyone at any time to have to speak english or any other language in Japan. Other language guidance is because Japanese people are polite and trying to help and not a requirement you should demand. You don't go to France or Germany and complain people don't speak English do you? The only "complete disaster" is your comment and expectations!

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

How does your MIL visit hospitals and dentist?

She gets a home visit from a doctor once a month. We have ‘t been bale to get her to a dentist since last year. She doesn’t have a smartphone, she couldn’t use one if she did. You have zero idea of the realities for many vulnerable people. MIL is house bound with multiple health issues and consequently she is very vulnerable to the virus from those who help her, including me and my husband, the doctor and the pitiful home help she gets from the city. If she didn’t have my husband she would have no one to advocate for her. Yo need to look at the world outside your bubble. Vaccines need to be taken to the vulnerable, you can’t expect everyone is vulnerable to get to a vaccine centre.

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Luddite

How does your MIL visit hospitals and dentist?

She gets a home visit from a doctor once a month. We have ‘t been bale to get her to a dentist since last year. She doesn’t have a smartphone, she couldn’t use one if she did.

We taught our very elderly parents how to use a smartphone and emergency devices. You said she can't use the phone so I guess she needs help with everything. Toilet, eating, bathing, changing TV? Who takes care of your MIL 24/7?

Hospitals have dentists and I prefer those to private practices.

You have zero idea of the realities for many vulnerable people.

In the UK I worked with disabled people and vulnerable people. I do have experience. I had relatives who are disabled. In my current situation, there are three local family friends with severely disabled children who I know very well.

There are many smart devices available that can help people not just smartphones.

MIL is house bound with multiple health issues and consequently she is very vulnerable to the virus from those who help her, including me and my husband, the doctor and the pitiful home help she gets from the city. If she didn’t have my husband she would have no one to advocate for her.

You can't afford some private care for her? Certainly, her visitors and you and your family should receive the vaccinations to protect your MIL. What about a care home?

My BIL was disabled and very sick and he spent his last year in a Tokyo care home because he needed 24/7 help.

Yo need to look at the world outside your bubble. Vaccines need to be taken to the vulnerable, you can’t expect everyone is vulnerable to get to a vaccine centre.

Hopefully, that will happen in time with the correct available vaccines.

The monthly doctor could administer the vaccinations but would need to use one not requiring the low temperature.

For the last year, I have been very vulnerable recovering from my cancer op and very low blood oxygen levels spending most of my time at home. At one point my doctors advised me not to even visit the hospital because of the covid. I was also told to wait for the vaccinations. We are now able to do that. Gratefully we just made a phone call.

I think you said you were vaccinated while in the UK.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

Vaccines need to be taken to the vulnerable, you can’t expect everyone is vulnerable to get to a vaccine centre.

Kuddos to your husband, and you for what you are doing. I know it's tough, tiring, and beyond stressful.

My wife and I went through a lot with both her parents, without going into details here, it was over the course of close to 10 years, and while this may sound crass, at the time I was glad they passed away when they did, both within about 14 months of each other.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

"Another issue is a lack of understanding of the state of bedridden elderly people who can't receive vaccinations. According to the health ministry's Statistics of Long-term Care Benefit Expenditures, as of April 2020 about 200,000 people were classed as individuals requiring level 5 nursing care who used long-term care insurance services at home. A certain number of them appear to have difficulties leaving home."

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210610/p2a/00m/0na/009000c

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Another issue is a lack of understanding of the state of bedridden elderly people who can't receive vaccinations. According to the health ministry's Statistics of Long-term Care Benefit Expenditures, as of April 2020 about 200,000 people were classed as individuals requiring level 5 nursing care who used long-term care insurance services at home. A certain number of them appear to have difficulties leaving home."

This coming from the very person who stated....

If they are bedridden then probably they don't need the vaccinations. 

Talk about a crass statement! Oh and isnt it obvious, bedridden people certainly have "difficulties" leaving home!

1 ( +1 / -0 )

If you've been here (or anywhere) a year and have actually interacted with the locals instead of living in an English bubble, you can hardly avoid picking up enough spoken language to get by, even if the written language remains a mystery.

That doesn't really help with government forms and signage, does it?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Foreigners who have difficulties are mostly the one being here for not long. And the Japanese skills and understanding on how the things do work are also limited.

I think anyone who believes that is not in Japan, they must be in cloud cuckoo land. My partner today tried phoned the MoD to find about vaccination at the mass centre in Tokyo, speaking fluent Japanese )works at a medical interpretation service). All he got was tooth sucking, humming and ha-ing, and was eventually told to call his local council. Called the council information centre for foreign residents, in fluent Japanese, and was told basically, not yet, we will contact you at some point in the future by post. Judicial scriveners at the same medical interpreting service, who are experts, read the Japanese site and also could not understand the city system. If the original information is a mess and the service chaotic, no amount of support will sort it.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

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