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You do realise that most people wouldn't work, thus pay no tax, thus the government wouldn't be able to afford your crackpot scheme? Barking mad

baroque1888Dec. 15  07:15 am JST

The Japanese Government should provide an Unconditional Universal Basic Income of at least 3,245,550.00 yen (equivalent of $30,000 United States Dollars) to all of its citizens.

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Since Japan lacks programs for the elderly, they tend to go to clinics for social interaction, perhaps meet up with friends chat etc.

Bull, bull, bull, and more bull! Every village, town, and city, has a senior's organization, run by seniors, called the "ryojin kai".

Plenty of daily activities, all around, not to mention the "day care" for seniors provided for by all sorts of hospitals, clinics, and private centers, that keep the elderly involved, and check their health as well.

Plenty more where that came from too! Dont know what you've been smoking, but it's obvious you dont pay attention to the community you may live in here! If the seniors choose not to participate, fine that's on them too. But dont blame the system, because you are 100% wrong!

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seems reasonable to me

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I love the idea of an unconditional income sign me up... I can get in more camping and more fishing and more whatever I want heck I could sell my house and I could start living in a camper van and start drifting up n down Japan doing whatever I like whenever I like. This is of course since it is "unconditional" meaning I don't need to meet any requirements to receive it. Woot Woot.. hey does that mean I am better to divorce so both my wife can oh wait never mind it is unconditional of course she will get hers as well. Ahh since working age in Japan is 15 if permission granted can my kids get theirs when they tu.. oh wait it is unconditional of course they can woot woot.

Not really well thought out idea is it...

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For many in that age group,going to the clinic/hospital gives them something to do for the day.And that 300 yen each time wouldn't deter them either.

What nonsense. We go to the hospital because we need treatments. We have plenty to do for the day. I will visit my local hospital today for my post cancer checkup.

@Zichi - It may seem like nonsense, but you'd be surprised about the elderly in Japan. At least in the Osaka region, I've seen many elderly who go to see the doctor, just to talk about a small sore they have, just as an excuse to chat. Even so, there are some who use the ambulance as a free taxi ride. Some are just lonely and need an excuse to chat with someone else, even if it's at the doctor's office.

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Health and education should be free for everyone. That is why I want to live in China.

Then what are you waiting ? Kim also provides free health and education as well.

If distance is not a problem Cuba is another good option, they have a conveyor belt system

churning out good doctors more than they need.

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Healthcare should be free for all residents.

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Health and education should be free for everyone. That is why I want to live in China.

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It would fair if rate was the same for all : why 10 ro 20% for the old, and 30 for the young. Should be the opposite !!!

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Don't just target those elderly who are still working, they are more likely the ones who are having a tough time financially. Tax the wealthy elderly more on their assets. It's not fair to increase the burden on those elderly who are already struggling. There are far too many rich old dossers in this country. Force them to get some of that cash out from under the mattress.

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@baroque1888, I basically agree that we should try to solve inequality. I think if one added up all the social welfare programs and benefits in Japan or the US and divided that by the population it would be a pretty big sum. One idea I have read is cutting out the middleman (the government meddlers) and just handing out that money per capita directly as a type of universal basic income. However, there are a lot of stakeholders who wouldn't like that such as bureaucrats.

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Since Japan lacks programs for the elderly, they tend to go to clinics for social interaction, perhaps meet up with friends chat etc.

My local gym/social center in Tokyo has a large auditorium that is used pretty much every day for older persons, usually women, doing Hawaiian dancing, polka dancing, etc. The gym itself is 140 yen and has a lot of older gentlemen doing light workouts and chatting. That's where I'll be when I retire.

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I know that elderly require more hospital visits etc., but I agree with crapchat. Since Japan lacks programs for the elderly, they tend to go to clinics for social interaction, perhaps meet up with friends chat etc. I don't have a problem charging them a little bit more, if it helps the insurance system. You cannot just keep expecting young people to pay more and more at every turn.

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I think Cracaphat has the best take on this matter. Hospital are huge social events for the elderly. Some like my ex-MIL get all dressed up and spend half a day chatting with her friends in order to see the doctor for 10 minutes and get a prescription for some basic kind of medicine. Others just want to be touched; it saddens me that Japan appears to be such a no-touch society and physical contact is necessary for health.

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It is difficult though to get a balance between putting pressure on the younger generations and putting it those who are older.

Exactly. This is because old people vote and young people don't.

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create a social security system that is fair to all,

This made me laugh!

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Steve, glad to read a sensible and not selfish remark.

I am sure that a portion of elderly do go to doctors for some social interaction but not the majority and if they do, that is a cheap treatment for can otherwise become a mental disorder.

i am stunned to see a government steal a bit of money out of the pockets from elderly, while at the same time throwing 73 trillion at friendly organisations and multinationals. And these elderly were young once, too, some day and paid for the elderly of their times.

2,000,000 yen annual income. Do people here realise that is approx 165000 yen per month ? What do you do with that ? Even supposing they all own their own apartment?

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It may curb the 'patients' who visit the hospital for conversational purposes. It is difficult though to get a balance between putting pressure on the younger generations and putting it those who are older.

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will require such older people living alone with an annual income of 2 million yen or more to shoulder 20 percent of the fees starting in fiscal 2022,

If its only for people with income above this treshold then I think 20 % is not unfair. 2 million or less is what a lot of part time irregular workers get by on.

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if they can afford it, then why not? the burden of paying for elderly medical care shouldn't just be on the younger generation.

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The Japanese Government should provide an Unconditional Universal Basic Income of at least 3,245,550.00 yen (equivalent of $30,000 United States Dollars) to all of its citizens. 

Probably half or more of the workers in this country don't make that much. Logically many of them would just stop working. What happens then?

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The Japanese Government should provide an Unconditional Universal Basic Income of at least 3,245,550.00 yen (equivalent of $30,000 United States Dollars) to all of its citizens

Only problem with this is that every business in Japan would raise it's prices! Oh and where did you come up with this number?

Oh and just who is going to pay this money?

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this is a smaller paycheck every payday

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What nonsense. We go to the hospital because we need treatments. We have plenty to do for the day. I will visit my local hospital today for my post cancer checkup.

I'm not talking about you.I'm aware of your condition.And hopefully the checkup goes well. My ex doctor student,who has her own clinic, used to often lament that people that age would come to her clinic just to talk.Often about their single children or gripe about their son's wife.Plus many of that age group have money and can afford the increase,so it's fine.

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I pay a maximum monthly limit of hospital visits of ¥12,000. I made a monthly maximum of ¥35,000 for a hospital stay including when I had my cancer operation last Feb. The full cost of that operation would be about ¥800,000.

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Why don't they end out of pocket expenses, as well as insurance payments, and simply fund the system entirely through the general budget? The current system seems unnecessarily complicated and not all that fair.

"....older people living alone..."

Who tend to be more vulnerable and economically burdened than people living within a multi-person household. Yeah, that's really fair.

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For many in that age group,going to the clinic/hospital gives them something to do for the day.And that 300 yen each time wouldn't deter them either.

What nonsense. We go to the hospital because we need treatments. We have plenty to do for the day. I will visit my local hospital today for my post cancer checkup.

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For many in that age group,going to the clinic/hospital gives them something to do for the day.And that 300 yen each time wouldn't deter them either.

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The Japanese Government should provide an Unconditional Universal Basic Income of at least 3,245,550.00 yen (equivalent of $30,000 United States Dollars) to all of its citizens. Further, the amount should always be adjusted for inflation. If an Unconditional Universal Basic Income went into effect, it would enable anyone who ever falls on difficult times to have a cushion. A Universal Basic Income would be good on this situation with medical costs. A Universal Basic Income would benefit all age brackets.

The Unconditional Universal Basic Income would be the equivalent of throwing someone who is struggling to swim a life jacket. The Unconditional Universal Basic Income should also begin in neighboring countries like China and so forth.

In conclusion, if Unconditional Universal Basic Income went into effect for eternity, everyone would be able to sleep better at night, have less stress and therefore have a better quality of life.

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more of the same!

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