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while whether or not they prevent people from becoming infected is not clearly known yet.

What !!!

Then why are billions in taxpayer money being funnelled to Big Pharma for these shots if we don't even know if they are even effective.

The one thing we do know is that already 23 people died in Norway right after receiving the shots.

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Then why are billions in taxpayer money being funnelled to Big Pharma for these shots if we don't even know if they are even effective.

Uhhh . . . This is a mystery. It couldn’t be because that’s how we were able to get a vaccine in record time. Hmm . . . What could be the reason? I’m stumped.

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Under the law on infectious diseases in Japan, doctors are obligated to inform public health centers of the names of infected people and their symptoms.

A friend of mine; loss of appetite, cough, elevated temp, with a history of nightlife, didn’t get tested.

Taking two weeks off his scarce work and the stigma coupled with the reporting, led him to continue his lifestyle as usual.

How many others are doing the same?

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Japan is way behind the rest of the world on studying the virus. Let's hope they can contribute something to our understanding of the immune responses.

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The experimental vaccine.

Whose companies are not liable should they harm you but will walk away with gazzilion $$$$.

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Japan is way behind the rest of the world on studying the virus. 

Japan is way behind the rest of the world on anything and everything to do with the virus.

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Burning BushToday  07:22 am JS

What !!!

Then why are billions in taxpayer money being funnelled to Big Pharma for these shots if we don't even know if they are even effective.

The one thing we do know is that already 23 people died in Norway right after receiving the shots.

This has been already explained in global news a long time ago. The vaccine only prevents 95% of the recipients from getting terminally ill.

It does NOT prevent infection or spreading. The best kind of vaccine for big pharma, need to keep buying forever.

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by adding checkboxes to a document that doctors are required to submit 

More faxes!

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They need to realize that there are computers. They work pretty well, and will save on stamps, envelopes and trees.

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WeiWei 09:20 am JST

It does NOT prevent infection or spreading. The best kind of vaccine for big pharma, need to keep buying forever.

AstraZeneca said it will provide vaccines at cost “in perpetuity” to low- and middle-income countries in the developing world and the other companies are selling at $10 to $50 per dose.

We won't go broke even if we have to take a second vaccine. I spend more on masks last month alone!

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Well, Japan has the world's most powerful computer based in Kobe. Useful for vaccine studies.

It was being employed since last year to study the Corona Virus.

The computer is called Fugaku san.

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We won't go broke even if we have to take a second vaccine. I spend more on masks last month alone!

Yes, agreed. Vaccine is a more good way to spend our taxpayer money than abenomasks.

Only problem is that they will never find enough people willing to take it to cover the population... (look at influenza shot participant ratio %).

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The content of the article is not surprising at all, it what is expected from any competent public health system and part of what is called "phase IV" of the clinical trials, it is meant to help collecting more and more information about both the vaccine and the disease it prevents as the vaccine is being used for longer time.

The only problem is that traditionally Japan has demonstrated to be allergic to any kind of perceived problem, and health officials tend to justify much more easily letting a lot of people die from a disease than putting even a few at a risk, even if it is much less important. This may slow or even interrupt vaccination efforts if the authorities put a full stop every time anything negative is reported, even if its completely normal and expected.

What !!!

Then why are billions in taxpayer money being funnelled to Big Pharma for these shots if we don't even know if they are even effective.

The one thing we do know is that already 23 people died in Norway right after receiving the shots.

Big news, vaccines are not intended to prevent infection, that is realistically impossible in most cases, they are intended to limit the infection so the patient do not develop a disease, and if possible so the patient do not become a vector of dissemination either. That is how all vaccines for infectious diseases work.

Whose companies are not liable should they harm you but will walk away with gazzilion $$.

That is false, companies are completely liable for any kind of deceit or defective product, they are only not able to be sued by particular, but they still have to get approval for each lot of vaccine by submitting to test done by experts working for the government, be punished, lose their approval, etc.

It does NOT prevent infection or spreading. The best kind of vaccine for big pharma, need to keep buying forever.

Mistaken, no vaccine is made to prevent infection, and the approved vaccines for COVID-19 may prevent spreading, there is a huge difference between saying "we don't have evidence of prevention of spreading yet" and saying "the vaccine doesn't prevent spreading".

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All vaccinations lose part of their power over time, even the ones that are supposed to ‘hold a lifetime’. You may have got some of them in your early childhood. Still sufficient, but much less power than when you were vaccinated. The same will happen here, as the building up of immunity and also that loosing of the antibody strength are both dynamic and kind of logarithmic processes. The problems occurring here now are the undone or incomplete testing, also the missing long-term data, because it’s a still new virus and also the appearances of differing variants. For example many vaccinations elsewhere still hold after those weeks and months, but on the other side, for example that Brazilian variant is already infamous for quite fast possible re-infections, to be translated into insufficient safety after vaccinations that are currently available.

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The vaccine only prevents 95% of the recipients from getting terminally ill.

It does NOT prevent infection or spreading. The best kind of vaccine for big pharma, need to keep buying forever.

Was anyone in the placebo group terminally ill? Ithink all we can say is that it reduces symptoms. Does it reduce mortality? Perhaps, but we don't know yet.

One problem with reducing symptoms is that one will not know whether they are infected. Who is more likely to visit (and transmit the virus to) old vulnerable people: an infected unvaccinated person with symptoms or an infected vaccinated person without symptoms?

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Was anyone in the placebo group terminally ill? Ithink all we can say is that it reduces symptoms. Does it reduce mortality? Perhaps, but we don't know yet.

Symptoms and fatalities are not two completely separated and unrelated processes, unless the vast majority of deaths happened on asymptomatic patients the only logical assumption is that reducing symptoms also reduces deaths, what remains to be clarified is how much reduction is to be observed. It is not out of the question that the vaccine could be even more effective preventing deaths.

In the Pfizer trial 6 people died, 2 vaccinated and 4 unvaccinated, none of the deaths are considered related to coronavirus or the vaccine (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=41) but I guess that according to the flawed reasoning of people that think everything happening to a vaccinated person is related to the vaccines, this means that the vaccine protects from all kinds of death.

One problem with reducing symptoms is that one will not know whether they are infected. Who is more likely to visit (and transmit the virus to) old vulnerable people: an infected unvaccinated person with symptoms or an infected vaccinated person without symptoms?

Since a vaccinated person is more likely to understand the science of the pandemic, and be responsible and considerate to the risks other people are exposed (at least when compared with someone that irrationally remains unvaccinated) it would be reasonable to expect the vaccinated person to be much less likely to visit and transmit the disease.

Or more simply, people that get vaccinated to protect members of the vulnerable population would also do other things to protect them, like avoid unnecessary visits.

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In this country, most of those who contracted Covid-19 after getting inoculated did so soon after getting the shot. Antibodies from the shots do not start being made until 10 to 12 days after the first dose, and even then immunity is a gradual thing. Maximum immunity is not achieved instantaneously.

The Pfizer and Moderna people are reporting that 95% of those who get the shots are eventually protected. Of the last 5%, almost all who come down with the disease get a mild form. Of those who have gotten the shots, so far, only one has died from Covid-19, which is a far better result than would be expected without the shots.

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Since a vaccinated person is more likely to understand the science of the pandemic,

Nah, many experts that are not linked to Big Pharma will not take this vaccine. A vaccinated person is more likely to be indoctrinated by Big Pharma.

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Nah, many experts that are not linked to Big Pharma will not take this vaccine. A vaccinated person is more likely to be indoctrinated by Big Pharma.

"experts" can be biased by irrational ideas, its a common thing for people that cannot actually understand well the science (depending on where they studied many medical doctors are terribly prepared to evaluate scientific information), there are also those that profit from people getting sick and people whose "careers" depend on denying science. It can also be people just pretending to be experts, here some people have said to be doctors or even university professors and ended up not even recognizing the vocabulary.

If they "discuss" based on videos instead of primary sources that is a very good hint about the lack of validity for their "expertise".

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We've been had yet again, people.

Everytime they fool us it's bigger and badder than the last time and this one is massive.

What a scam.

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