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It's a tricky situation for Japanese students while university administration encourage students to study abroad, each department will treat these students differently since many of department won't recognize semester when they study abroad so they end up more years in university.

Beside that it will ruin their job hunting schedule, and give no better chance to get into Japanese company of their choice. Since study abroad doesn't count in most of cases.

https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00446/year-round-hiring-aims-to-spur-more-japanese-students-to-learn-overseas.html

5 ( +24 / -19 )

@sakurasuki

It's a tricky situation...

yep, and I don't claim to know the perfect solution , but I think it's a very good problem for the two countries to work on.

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Japanese students, think twice before going to study in the United States, there are better and more civilized places to study without suffering racism and armed violence..

European countries for example..

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@Tokyo living

My wife studied abroad in both the U.S and the U.K.

She had a better experience in the U.S ( California) than in Sussex England.

I have also visited the U.S many times and not once felt in any danger or suffered from discrimination... unfortunately I can't say the same for the U.K and the place of my birth.

2 ( +21 / -19 )

U.S. is most violence place, I won’t recommend it to students. So much racism, guns and can’t trust anyone.

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@obladi

yep, and I don't claim to know the perfect solution , but I think it's a very good problem for the two countries to work on.

Not sure both countries are needed, US only care more Japanese study abroad in US. Pretty sure US can not help Japanese students to increase their future employability in Japan, especially many Japanese companies doesn't count study abroad despite University say nice things.

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

Remember Yoshihiro Hattori, Rest In peace..

-7 ( +10 / -17 )

This is going to take a lot more than hashtags to have an effect, for the Japanese part the ingrained culture of education being just what you have to do to get the diploma that will let you be hired makes it studying overseas in general a disadvantage, and any US student only have to do a cursory research to see the quite low international level of Japanese Universities and choose instead something more worthy of their money in another country.

-3 ( +15 / -18 )

Very poor timing on USA's part given the strength of the USD. It's currently more economically viable for Japanese students to study abroad, anywhere, except USA because of currency weakness everywhere against the USD.

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The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo said, "We want both Americans and Japanese to consider the value of an international education …

Japanese should wisely consider the cost, which has risen nearly 30% due to yen depreciation over the past 10 months.

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European countries for example..

Nobody wants to study in Europe currently, as long as the Russian war aggressiv mass murdering country is around and threatening Europe and the whole world with war and using nuclear weapons.

After Russia falls, Europe will be safe again.

-7 ( +8 / -15 )

Too few Japanese students who can actually use English in a social setting.

Too few young Americans willing to put up with Japanese rules/restrictions on covid.

It ain't gonna happen.

The difference in higher education style will always restrict the amount of students coming to Japan from western countries. Single sex dorms, curfews, insane rules for adults in their mid 20s.

If I knew, I probably wouldn't have done it myself. Covid just makes it even worse now.

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The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo said, "We want both Americans and Japanese to consider the value of an international education, especially as they establish their post-COVID academic plans."

says the people who get paid in USD, not yen.

exchange yen for dollars first, and then come tell me this again.

how do they expect students to fly abroad, specifically to the US, when US nationals living in japan, can’t buy a ticket to the states, because of the useless yen?

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Japanese parents do know that parts the US is a cesspit of drugs, gangs, violence and racial hatred? It is also entering a recession that will probably last for years. Better to study in Aussie or Kiwiland.

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For USA students this is a great time to come to Japan because of the low yen, low prices, lower inflation, safer place compare to other countries, friendly people.

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An American education is best. So, the intelligent people of Japan will study in NYC, Seattle, San Diego, and Hawaii for sure.

An American MBA is bank.

-9 ( +7 / -16 )

"We must take action now. Otherwise, it will be too late."

Too late for what? What are you worried about?

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My wife studied abroad in both the U.S and the U.K.

How long ago? Pre-Trump? Post Trump?

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Right, and with the yen rate being what it is now, only those with money can reasonably afford to actually go to the US to study.

By comparison Japanese schools are far less expensive and affordable for folks from the US.

US schools are over priced for the education people receive.

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An American education is best. So, the intelligent people of Japan will study in NYC, Seattle, San Diego, and Hawaii for sure

Sadly the overwhelming number of Japanese it seems dont go there for a "university" education really. They go for "Study Abroad", meaning working to improve their English.

Yet how many actually achieve that goal?

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Japanese parents do know that parts the US is a cesspit of drugs, gangs, violence and racial hatred? It is also entering a recession that will probably last for years. Better to study in Aussie or Kiwiland.

I disagree, In todays modern world parents can get easily accessed information as to where it’s safe to reside and where it is not, not hard to do, and unlike the Aussie or Kiwiland, there are more choices, States, living conditions, educational institutions, selections of study, scholarships, job opportunities.

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An American education is best.

LOL. I think you meant to write: An American education is the best.

Yeah right, go take a look at the test scores in the US.

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Sadly the overwhelming number of Japanese it seems dont go there for a "university" education really. They go for "Study Abroad", meaning working to improve their English.

Yet how many actually achieve that goal?

I wonder, how many American and other foreigner students improve their Japanese skills?

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Japanese students, think twice before going to study in the United States, there are better and more civilized places to study without suffering racism and armed violence..

European countries for example..

Europe is no better. It would better for our young people to stay in Japan. The west is out of control.

-11 ( +5 / -16 )

US schools?

ya kidding.

there are much better places to send kids than US.

USA definitely not our choice in any case.

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Yeah right, go take a look at the test scores in the US.

Public schools yes, you are right, that’s why private schools is a far better choice.

Europe is no better. It would better for our young people to stay in Japan. The west is out of control.

Depends, but I wouldn’t “entirely” disagree with that statement.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Good idea, let's add Canada to the rotation as well. Wonderful learning about each other's culture.

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It's currently more economically viable for Japanese students to study abroad, anywhere, except USA because of currency weakness everywhere against the USD.

What planet are you living on? The yen is getting hammered in all currencies hell look at the SD$ and dont forget the countries that charge in US $$ too!

Widen your horizons and you'll see it is far from "viable" for anyone other than those with money!

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We know several young people who are studying at US universities. Their courses were delayed because of the pandemic.

Japan should not have banned returning foreign students who were at universities. It had an effect on those wishing to study here.

UK universities are another country for students to attend.

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Japanese students won't learn anything at woke US universities... one of the students I taught after she came back from studying there said people's gender can change everyday based on how they feel, and when I asked how she knew that she said her friend told her.

This is civilisational collapse...

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Japanese students won't learn anything at woke US universities... 

Depends which University, not all are woke or like Berkley or Columbia.

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@Wobot

Sad, but true. Stay awake from the schools trying to create woke soldiers. So, that includes pretty much the West and East Coasts. They're far too dangerous anyway. Some places in the Midwest are fine, though stay away from Chicago. The South is your best bet. They don't see too many Japanese, but they're the friendliest people once you get to know them.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Daddy gonna get poor with the exchange rates like this.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

A lot of my Japanese friends, family and students have told me that even-though they'd like to study in the U.S., they are afraid to because they don't think their English conversation skills are good enough. I think a lot of Japanese actually enjoy western cultures and such but for them to fully enjoy it enough to feel confident enough to enroll in a U.S. university will require better teaching programs and methods at public schools here, ESPECIALLY in the speaking department. ECC, NOVA and other eikaiwas where students go only once a week or twice a month isn't enough to retain what they've learned, either. Most Americans I know living here took some pretty intensive Japanese language classes back in the States or were self-taught, came here and enrolled in language schools all over the country studying 3 to 5 days a week and now they speak Japanese pretty well. I think both of our countries can learn from each other from this alone.

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Japanese students won't learn anything at woke US universities... one of the students I taught after she came back from studying there said people's gender can change everyday based on how they feel, and when I asked how she knew that she said her friend told her. 

This is civilisational collapse...

Hysterical.

I suppose you could go to one of those US universities which teach the world is 6,000 years old.

The US has many great universities.

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Depends which University, not all are woke or like Berkley or Columbia

Which ones aren’t woke?

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Japanese should wisely consider the cost, which has risen nearly 30% due to yen depreciation over the past 10 months."

Valid point at the moment.

Europe is no better. It would better for our young people to stay in Japan."

Europe is light years ahead of Japan in many aspects - young Japanese would benefit greatly from going there and having their eyes opened and horizons widened instead of staying at home and burrying head in the sand.

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

Which American university has the most Japanese students?

List produced by the Facts

   California Institute of Technology (Pasadena, CA): 39.90%

   University of Hawaii at Manoa (Honolulu, HI): 39.62%

   University of Hawaii — West Oahu (Kapolei, HI): 38.59%

   University of California, San Diego (La Jolla, CA): 37.61%

   University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA): 36.96%

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@Lamilly

Very true. I lived in the US South and the religious types can be very intrusive and narrow minded.

Give me the woke crowd over that lot.

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unfortunately I can't say the same for the U.K and the place of my birth.

yet the statistics show that the US has higher violent crime rates and homicides per capita than the UK

homicides almost 5 times higher, also the US has the highest incarceration rate of any 1st world country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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Whenever you talk about "guns", "violence" in the US this concerns pretty a single portion of the population.

Find a very nice state in the West/New england and enjoy the best the US can offer you without the undesirable aspects.

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Fully support this, but with the cheap yen it is tough for Japanese families to pay such high tuition in the US, and for US students the memory of the border slammed shut for 2 years is fresh.

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Haters can hate on America all day long but they are just mad and jealous because when all is said and done, the U.S. still comes out on top of the heap.

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The best solution is another: building and founding of US universities’ branches here in Japan. Sounds a bit one-sided, yes, but this is the only way to bring the numbers up significantly. And it has the most merits for all sides involved and avoids most demerits of those you’ve already named in the comments.

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Are they going to supply the Japanese in the USA with free bulletproof vests?

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the U.S. still comes out on top of the heap.

Yep of dung!

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No thanks, you're forced to be fully vaccinated against COVID if you want to go to the US...

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No thanks, you're forced to be fully vaccinated against COVID if you want to go to the US

Good for universities. It will keep the average intelligence level of the students up.

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AntiquesavingToday  01:44 pm JST

the U.S. still comes out on top of the heap.

Yep of dung!

Weak. Your country probably isn't even worth the tiny postage stamp it's printed on.

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maybe east coast the rest eaugh no thanks

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Most Japanese students have no desire to study abroad, especially USA. And USA is now desperate because their biggest cash cow, rich Chinese students either can't come because of the pandemic or refuse to come because of the violence, the insane Sinophobia and the threat of arrest because they may be accused of being a security threat. What was that about gun and foot?

Maybe USA can attract Ukrainian students.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

ugh no.. Americans are already squeezing into Japan, and Japanese students certainly have no interest in living in a country of crime rampage, if they want to study abroad there are better choices

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@Pukey2 interestingly, China still are still their largest source of international students, I'd thought India had surpassed but no.

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The issue is big here,in the last decade many young Japanese people lost their interest to study,work or even just travel abroad.

Most of them would say that they’re not interested in foreign stuff.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Aren't they aware of the exchange rate?

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Mocheake

Today 02:35 pm JST

AntiquesavingToday 01:44 pm JST

> the U.S. still comes out on top of the heap.

> Yep of dung!

> Weak. Your country probably isn't even worth the tiny postage stamp it's printed on.

My country flushes it's toilets it goes down south right into North America's cesspool.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Many of the world’s top universities are in the US.

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Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Harvard University.

Stanford University.

Yale University.

University of Chicago.

Johns Hopkins University.

University of Pennsylvania.

California Institute of Technology.

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It's a tricky situation for Japanese students while university administration encourage students to study abroad, each department will treat these students differently since many of department won't recognize semester when they study abroad so they end up more years in university. 

Beside that it will ruin their job hunting schedule, and give no better chance to get into Japanese company of their choice. Since study abroad doesn't count in most of cases.

https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00446/year-round-hiring-aims-to-spur-more-japanese-students-to-learn-overseas.html

Experience studying abroad is valued by Japanese companies in the job hunting process, and there are universities that convert credits earned abroad as core or elective credits.

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any US student only have to do a cursory research to see the quite low international level of Japanese Universities and choose instead something more worthy of their money in another country.

The College ranking systems are a scam designed to deceive and take advantage of Chinese students that need a college degree to work in their country but can't test into their own colleges.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Covid really screwed things up, especially on the Japanese side due to the closed border on this end.

There is a huge imbalance between the US and Japan in terms of their ability to attract international students to their universities.

American universities have a huge advantage since all their classes are in English, which makes them accessible to a huge number of international students who speak it as a second language. There are only a small number of Japanese universities that offer programs (by which I mean “real” programs that lead to degrees in math, physics, economics. Law, etc) taught in English, and even those tend to be very small. At all the other universities everything is taught in Japanese which means 99.9% of potential international students just aren’t interested or able to study there.

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Japan definitely needs to learn the English language better, to join the international community as a developed nation.

However Americans learning Japanese isn't going to help much is it !

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Aren't they aware of the bedlam, mayhem, gun ownership, murder and mass shooting rates in the USA?

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My guess is studying overseas isn't popular in Japan for various reasons. For South East Asians studying in Australia is very popular. They bring in a lot of money. Also working abroad for Japanese is not popular. One would think getting international experience and improved English communication skills is valuable. It's not in Japan. It's not valued by employers. So why do Japanese have to study English? Most will never use it for the rest of their lives after graduating and then working for 40 years for a company.

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"We must take action now. Otherwise, it will be too late. Japan and the United States will work together to build momentum" so more students from the two countries can seek to learn in each other's countries, a Japanese government official said.

How about raising the spend on education in Japan first - one of the lowest in the OECD!

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Most of them would say that they’re not interested in foreign stuff.

So true. You ask them which country would they like to visit? Many have no answer as they are not interested in any. They are only interested in Japan. Only 16 percent of Japanese have passports.

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why do Japanese have to study English? Most will never use it for the rest of their lives

More of the world speaks English than Japanese.

English is the fastest growing language.

Japanese is plummeting !

Furthermore Japanese use English frequently but don't even realize it !

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

I think many Americans would jump at the chance to study for a year or two in Japan, although I do not know how many American students are fluent in Japanese. Would they be able to enroll in college, without being fluent in Japanese?

I had one Japanese professor at Uni. It was not a good experience. He taught Japanese politics, but seemed lazy to me, so I dropped the course.

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The best universities in the world, many are in the US in good places (ex: Harvard and MIT in Boston, Cornell in Ithaca, Stanford in Palo Alto, etc.)

Those universities are giants and a town unto themselves - ya don't even have to go outside campus to get everything ya need. They have endowments the size of small countries' entire GDP

Just avoid southern states to be safe

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The exchange rate doesn't help Japan, either.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Europe is no better. It would better for our young people to stay in Japan. The west is out of control.

Japan needs a little bit of 'out of control '. Might add some excitement to people's lives.

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