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Japan unable to link deaths to withdrawn batches of Moderna vaccine

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When tens of millions of people are getting inoculated, a few will die shortly afterward. Not because of the vaccine, because some people die at any given time for various causes. That's what people do.

Trying telling that to the Japanese media and the anti-vaxxers.

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Japan unable to link deaths to withdrawn batches of Moderna vaccine

Japan unwilling to link deaths to withdrawn batches of Moderna vaccine

Fixed it.

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@JeffLee - I do completely agree, but there is something else. A while back now the Japanese government made an announcement saying they would provide reparations to the family of anybody who is confirmed to have died as a result of taking the vaccines. Somewhere around 4 million yen (maybe it was 40) I think it was. This also puts doubt in my mind as to whether any of the vaccines will be confirmed as a cause of death in Japan. I really hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist though.

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Thats not being a conspiracy theorist that is called being analytical and thinking for yourself and not letting some else thing for you or be your brain. You have the rights to question and seek truth.

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"Three men aged 38, 30 and 49 died after receiving their second shots in August."

So, the three men aged 38, 30, and 49 were alive before taking the shots in August?

Right. No link at all.

They must have died from natural causes.

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Of course not considering they promised "if you die from the COVID-19 vaccine in Japan, the government will give your family over ¥44 mil"

https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/If-you-die-from-the-COVID-19-vaccine-in-Japan-the-government-will-give-your-family-over-%C2%A544-mil

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As such, it is not expected that injection of the particles identified in these lots in Japan would result in increased medical risk."

I used to "trust the experts", until the experts say something like this.

I can't believe the families of these 3 men will get zero compensation for their loss.

Inexcusable.

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Yep, you have the right to seek the truth. So far, the science and data backs up the fact that in the overwhelming majority of people, the vaccines prevent hospitalization and death from a virus that has already taken millions of lives. The vaccines work just like they did many years ago for smallpox, polio, measles.

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It puts Japan in a pickle because if they start bad mouthing vaccine creators then they will cut the supply. Japan has already mismanaged the doses that they procured.

They have already done enough to get people to want the Takeda made vaccine.

It is all optics.

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Can't find a link? they mean they don't want to pay out millions of yen in damages.

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Science moves forward. It is the people that drag their feet. The stainless steel had nothing to do with it.

As it states in the article, the shots they received were not from the contaminated lots. Their shots came from uncontaminated vials that were produced on the same line.

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Nearly one million do die every year in Japan. For sure, some will naturally pass away, after the vaccine injection with no relationship.

But when three young guys do die just after, it is questionable. I am quite sure it is because of the vaccine but at that time, nobody can and want to admit it. It is not the time to face those responsibilities in the middle of the vaccination campaign. The truth will be know in 5-10-20 years maybe, after lengthy trials, when all that covid will be behind us and government ready to take responsibilities

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Maybe try explaining their causes of death instead of just dismissing everything.

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Totally agree with @JeffLee. @Kag..unless their deaths were proven connected or they had been murdered/suspicious then its none of our business whatsoever how they died.

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Just a question, and I'm genuinely curious.

If it was the stainless steel particles that killed the men, then why doesn't any other medical procedure using stainless steel implants regularly kill people?

Considering the vaccine isn't administered into a vein, the particles wouldn't go to the heart.

Wouldn't they just eventually be pushed out of the body as skin regenerates?

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At this point it's pretty obvious they must've died because of the tainted vaccines. It's been over a week and they "can't determine" how someone died?

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Its important to note the heavily qualified language they used:

A Japanese health ministry panel said Friday it does not currently have enough information to determine whether there is a causal link between the deaths of three men and their inoculations using batches of Moderna Inc COVID-19 vaccine doses that were later withdrawn from use over contamination fears.

They simply don’t know whether there was a causal link, which is way different from them being able to rule one out.

We’ve got three healthy, relatively young men who suddenly dropped dead shortly after taking the second dose of the same vaccine. I am no conspiracy theorist at all, but there really seems to be more than mere coincidence at work here.

I am in the same age range as these guys and just got my second dose last week, and this was on the top of my mind while I did so. They need to keep investigating and not just sweep it under the rug.

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Three men die just after being jabbed. Why aren't there any autopsy results? There are not just 3 deaths after the shots as there are other reports of deaths in other Japanese prefectures. (not in English) There have been thousands of deaths and injuries around the world related to these vaccines which are reported on official government sites and can be easily looked up if any one cares.

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vic.M. Yes - There a lot of deaths everyday from many causes. With the simply massive worldwide uptake - in fact unprecedented uptake of Covid vaccines of all varieties then most of these people would have died anyway. It happens everyday, everywhere sadly. People like you TOTALLY misuse the info on reporting sites like VAERS to push your lies. ANYBODY who has any ailment and has recently been vaccinated will end up being reported to VAERS responsibly.

If you would like to link me to some of these websites in Japanese that DIRECTLY link deaths to either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine then I would like to see them please. I don't have the time to search right now but you clearly do and I'd like to see them. And what is in an 'injury' from a vaccine? I've yet to read across anybody having a needle snapped off in their arm!

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A while back now the Japanese government made an announcement saying they would provide reparations to the family of anybody who is confirmed to have died as a result of taking the vaccines.

No, the confirmation of a relationship is not a requirement. It is a system similar to the one used in other countries, if a death is possibly related to vaccines (meaning no other obvious unrelated reason) compensation is paid. That is the whole point of putting the compensation system in place.

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I have read one theory that men with underlying high blood pressure may have a further spike in blood pressure after the stress of the vaccine on the heart leading to rupture of the aorta and death. I hope the keep investigating about all sudden deaths after the vaccine.

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So. I had my vaccine on a Friday. 2 days later on the Sunday night I went for a Curry. During the night I suffered a stomach upset that dehydrated me. Was it the vaccine or the curry? Should I have reported it? What if I'd had to have been hospitalized? have I been 'injured' by the Vaccine?

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Come on! Move on with your lives. Three people out of a million and a half die after the shot. So that... ?

Don't scare the people. Human cattle must be vaccinated just like the animal one is.

Otherwise, who will vote for the LDP?

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TheResident

3 healthy men under 50 died after taking the vaccine which may have been the cause of their death, hardly something to make jokes about.

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After praising the vaccines, some people - interestingly enough, unvaccinated people - are now turning to fearmongering about the vaccines.

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Come on! Move on with your lives. Three people out of a million and a half die after the shot. So that

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/2021/09/03/san-marino-confirms-sputnik-v-vaccines-efficacy

Why does there need to be a single death?

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No, the confirmation of a relationship is not a requirement. It is a system similar to the one used in other countries, if a death is possibly related to vaccines (meaning no other obvious unrelated reason) compensation is paid. That is the whole point of putting the compensation system in place.

Actually, you’re right and I’ve just looked into it a bit more. I wasn’t aware this system was in place before the Covid vaccines and it seems in any case that might be contested, the courts usually favor the victim. I’m not a vaccine skeptic at all, I was just a bit concerned that the way things might happen regarding this could lead to more vaccine skepticism by some.

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There are no links. Japan's fault that people died. But as usual try to blame others.

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So, the three men aged 38, 30, and 49 were alive before taking the shots in August?

Right. No link at all.

They must have died from natural causes.

When more than half the population has gotten shots, the same could be said about almost anyone that dies. Nobody can say for sure as it's impossible to prove there was no link, but odds are it was a coincidence.

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Maybe the sharp steel particles did damage to the heart. Need to investigate.

It's one think to place a steel valve in a secure place than sharp steel particles floating around in the body.

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JeffLee

When tens of millions of people are getting inoculated, a few will die shortly afterward. Not because of the vaccine, because some people die at any given time for various causes. That's what people do.

Of course are coincidences. But in that case, this background noise would the same for all vaccines. So how do you explain that the VAERS figures for the mRNA shots are off the chart, compared to existing vaccines? That is one heck of a coincidence.

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@falseflagsteve: I'm not making fun of that at all. You have taken me totally out of context.

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Yeh lots of healthy people drop dead for no reason…..NOT…

shameless.

But let the provaxxer fanatics go wild. Of course it wasn’t the vaccine…NOT

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It's a lovely copy and paste syzyguy.

However you omitted the preface which contained the following text:

Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.

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So how do you explain that the VAERS figures for the mRNA shots are off the chart, compared to existing vaccines?

The data on VAERS do it directly, vaccination against COVID was done preferentially on people of advanced age and many comorbidities, which made the observation of unrelated problems (presented in the same rates as the unvaccinated population) higher. This is like worrying about adult diapers being hugely more dangerous than children's diapers, because people that use adult diapers die much more often.

a study released on sept 8 shows teenage boys are 2-6 times more likely to be put in the hospital for vaccine injuries than corona.

No, that is not what the study concluded, because you make two false assumptions (that all evidence of cardiac damage after vaccination is on excess of the normal rates, and that every case was hospitalized) and more importantly because the comparison is between a reported event (including cases that were not hospitalized) against hospitalization, which is a huge bias. There are already studies being published about rates of cardiac problems after COVID and they are much higher than hospitalizations.

For example

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.054824

Abnormal findings suggestive of SARS-CoV-2 cardiac involvement were detected by ECG (21 of 2999 [0.7%]), cardiac troponin (24 of 2719 [0.9%]), and transthoracic echocardiography (24 of 2556 [0.9%]). Definite, probable, or possible SARS-CoV-2 cardiac involvement was identified in 21 of 3018 (0.7%) athletes.

That means that the 162-13.4/million rates should be compared not with the hospitalization rates but with the 7000-9000/ per million found after COVID, (and from young people without infection nor vaccination rates around 30/million are observed anyway).

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@Virus: There are some interesting things happening with internal eye bleeding in a small number of vaccinated individuals and it is being documented according to my eye doctor. I have eye issues so she filled me in. I still got fully vaccinated though as I believe in science, medicine, and brilliant humans seeking to extend our life spans in a healthy and safe manner.

@ blvtzpkToday  01:05 pm JST

After praising the vaccines, some people - interestingly enough, unvaccinated people - are now turning to fearmongering about the vaccines.

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I agree and they should back off and learn to think more deeply.

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virusrex

The data on VAERS do it directly, vaccination against COVID was done preferentially on people of advanced age and many comorbidities

Not any more, just look at the vaccinated percentages.

Also note that the CDC changed the counting method so that the "unvaccinated" category included 2 weeks after vaccination. So everyone who gets problems within 2 weeks after getting the mRNA shot, he/she is counted as "unvaccinated".

So take a grain of salt when looking at these glowing statistics.

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So much for the Governments Guarantee to compensate the Family of anyone who died following taking of a Vaccination - Hollow Words.

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If you understand Statistics - you will also see that it is not a forgone conclusion that you will end up in Hospital if you catch the virus if you are not inoculated.

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JeffLee- yes, if they are 100 years old with co-morbidities. No, if they are in they are in their 30's or 40's and healthy.

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There are some interesting things happening with internal eye bleeding in a small number of vaccinated individuals and it is being documented according to my eye doctor

To see if it is actually related first a well documented report has to be published and then epidemiological studies have to be conducted to see if there is any evidence of an increase of the incidence rates. Many doctors have thought they found something (good or bad) about the pandemic or its treatment that were later found to be just noise of the data.

Not any more, just look at the vaccinated percentages

And what would that prove? if everybody got vaccinated then old people with comorbidities that were behind the reports (because they keep having their other health problems with or without the vaccines) would be un-vaccinated?

I don't think you understand the problem. Anything that is done to the most vulnerable population would end up giving the same amount of reports, because the people with old age and health problems don't stop having them just because they got a vaccine.

Also note that the CDC changed the counting method so that the "unvaccinated" category included 2 weeks after vaccination.

What change? that is the definition of "fully vaccinated" from the beginning (you deleted a word from the correct term, almost as if you tried to mislead people)

So everyone who gets problems within 2 weeks after getting the mRNA shot, he/she is counted as "unvaccinated".

That is completely false, anybody that gets a reaction the moment after it gets its first dose of the vaccine is counted as a possible vaccine related problem. Why don't you bring the reference from where you concluded this? it would be easier to show you how your conclusion is completely false.

So much for the Governments Guarantee to compensate the Family of anyone who died following taking of a Vaccination - Hollow Words.

What does that have anything to do with the article? assuming someone will not get compensation if their deaths are not corroborated as produced by the vaccine is completely false.

If you understand Statistics - you will also see that it is not a forgone conclusion that you will end up in Hospital if you catch the virus if you are not inoculated.

But if you do understand it, you would see the risk is much higher if you are not vaccinated. Which is the whole point, thinking that things can only be either 100 or 0% effective is nonsense.

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