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I can only say that I've been to China several times, and I always have a great time. Nobody has ever treated me poorly because they find out I'm Japanese. Totally gay gokai has never been asked to leave a gay bar in Shanghai when guys learn I'm Japanese. China is a total blast! (at least Beijing and Shanghai, which is mainly what I know)

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If this is true for China, then it is true for Chinese visitors here? No, of course not! This is just fear mongering......

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You get exactly the same hate sentiment from the Japanese when you ask them about China. This is a cultural 'tit-for-tat' that has been going on for the better part of a thousand years and I can't see it changing any time soon.

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This is a cultural 'tit-for-tat' that has been going on for the better part of a thousand years

Actually you're mistaken. I remember that every year, polls from I think Pew Global were released on how various countries viewed each other. For a long time after 2000, views of Chinese were very negative of China but Japanese were slightly more positive than negative in their views of China. Then by maybe 2009, the Japanese started to be more negative of China. I think it was simply that they'd have enough of the Chinese newspapers and social media screaming about Japan, the war, how they weren't sorry enough, how they mustn't revise Article 8, etc, etc.

All the Japanese I've spoken to about Chinese don't hate China, they just feel they're constantly hounded for something they didn't do - and they're tired of it.

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move on already this is 2016

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DisillusionedAug. 14, 2016 - 08:28AM JST You get exactly the same hate sentiment from the Japanese when you ask them about China. This is a cultural 'tit-for-tat' >that has been going on for the better part of a thousand years and I can't see it changing any time soon.

I see you still haven't read up on any history between China and Japan? When was the last time mobs in Japan attacked Chinese and smashed Chinese stores and restaurants? Right now they're smashing iphones, KFCs and MacDonalds in China.

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Many people seem to be ignorant of the anti-Japanese riots in many Chinese cities in 2005 and again in 2012 (when Chinese police stood around and watched).

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When I was in high school I read for the first time about a government using of ultra-nationalism, turning the populace against an outside "enemy" resulting in mobs attacking those "foreigners" and destroying stores and restaurants. That was Germany In the 1930s. Similarly China is a totalitarian dictatorship using the same political methods today, China needs to stop telling everyone else to learn from history and start learning themselves, We are headed closer to a conflict, actual war, than ever before. China's continued bellicose attitude and actions are now drawing reactive responses from both Vietnam and the United States.

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OssanAmerica

I see you still haven't read up on any history between China and Japan? When was the last time mobs in Japan attacked Chinese and smashed Chinese stores and restaurants?

The Second Sino-Japan war 1937-45, when those Japanese mobs claimed the lives of more than 20 million Chinese, mostly civilian. The property loss suffered by the Chinese was valued at US$383 billion according to the currency exchange rate in July 1937, roughly 50 times the GDP of Japan at that time (US$7.7 billion).

Is that good enough for you?

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The anti Japanese riots? It is so easy for the Chinese government to pay a hundred or so rent-a-thugs to go and attack something and the impression is that all Chinese hate Japanese people. How easily we are all deceived ......

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@kurisupisu Yeah, I remember that the Chinese government made a big thing out of the riots being "spontaneous". The problem was that the rioters seemed to be more interested in showing off their new smart phones to reporters. They also enthusiastically showed off the messages from the government about where and what time to gather for the riots. It was all so modern.

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Don't go there - China, NK, or any other country on the list. The rights guaranteed under Japan's or the USA's constitutions do not go with the traveler. Ignore the warning means travel promising to not ask the government for help.

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We must always remember that this is the governments speaking. When I speak to Japanese and Chinese, I only here good things. Some of my (Japanese) daughter's best friends are Chinese. Just wish governments would not bring happy people into THEIR arguments with other countries.

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DisillusionedAUG. 14, 2016 - 08:28AM JST You get exactly the same hate sentiment from the Japanese when you ask them about China. This is a cultural 'tit-for-tat' that has been going on for the better part of a thousand years and I can't see it changing any time soon.

Erm... not exactly. There is loads of dislike for the Chinese government and yeah, it must be said a bit of bigoted comments targeted at ordinary innocent Chinese people, but I've never heard of a Chinese shop in Japan getting smashed up or Chinese people getting assaulted simply for being Chinese, at least not since the war.

There are ultra-rightwing groups that march through Ikebukuro and shout at Chinese people and call them garbage, but the fact that there is no violence against people or property, and the fact that in general Japanese society quietly disavows these nutjobs makes the situation in the two countries pretty different. I mean, say what you want about Japan and I can say plenty, but at least there's little need to worry about someone assaulting you here.

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The sins of ones father should be acknowledged by his progeny but not entirely shouldered by an individual who didn't even take part in the orchestration of that sin; always bringing up the memories of the Sino-Japanese wars and not specifically encouraging their citizens(the Chinese) to truly work towards a lasting peace with its long time neighbour would only unveil the so very often orchestrated circumstances of yet another conflict. In other words, the younger Chinese generation of today shouldn't be playing the blame game with the younger Japanese of today because in the end, there will be no benefits, only mutual distrust.

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OssanAmerica - I see you still haven't read up on any history between China and Japan?

Bwahahaha! History? Look up where the word 'tsunami' originated. Then, you can look up the Japanese invasions of China during the first half of last century. Of course, there is a gap of conflict between these two countries of nearly two hundred years when Japan was a closed country. Please do not make such blind and naive statements OssanAmerica. You only make yourself look foolish.

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This is plain Abemongering, plain and simple!

The purpose of this warning is to divert the people's attention to Shinzo's big LIE to the Japanese people that there is no territorial rift in the Sen/Tiauyutai rocks!

This BIG LIE is the source of the current tensions in the seas surrounding those rocks but chillin in Shanghai or Sian?

No tension amongst Chinese and Japanese civies, none whatsoever!

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If this is true for China, then it is true for Chinese visitors here? No, of course not! This is just fear mongering......

The Chinese visitors in Japan are often not intimidated wherever they go. I used to see them all over JR Yamanote Line. At places like Omotesando, Ikebukuro and even at Mt. Takao hikig the trails. They know the Japanese won't do nothing to them.

All that anti-Chinese gossip goes on behind closed door. Certainly not in public where there a groups of Chinese visitors.

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It's laughable, the refrain of those who are constantly telling us that the Japanese do not entertain the same kinds of ideas about the Chinese that the Chinese, so they keep reminding us, have about the Japanese. The feelings of each towards the other are exactly proportional; however the visible manifestations of enmity are only the tip of two very large icebergs. Pushed to extremes, Japanese understatement and dissembling cede more easily to the kinds of vulgar overt nationalism associated with the Chinese.

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the kinds of vulgar overt nationalism associated with the Chinese.

The Chinese are letting Japan that they're now a force to be reckoned with. . . To the displeasure of many Japanese, China are no longer the "sick men" of Asia.

Imperial Japan spawned that overt nationalism when Japan occupied China. We're seeing it full-bloom now. For better or worse-

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Gary RaynorAug. 14, 2016 - 12:04PM JST "I see you still haven't read up on any history between China and Japan? When was the last time mobs in Japan attacked Chinese and smashed Chinese stores and restaurants?"

The Second Sino-Japan war 1937-45, when those Japanese mobs claimed the lives of more than 20 million Chinese, >mostly civilian. The property loss suffered by the Chinese was valued at US$383 billion according to the currency >exchange rate in July 1937, roughly 50 times the GDP of Japan at that time (US$7.7 billion). Is that good enough for you?

No its not, The claim that China and Japan have had continuous bad relations for a thousand years is ridiculous. Relations between Japan and China were bad 1894-1945 and 2010 to now. A couple of years in the late 1500s too, Problem is that these two countries have had a relationship with each other since about 500 AD making these years insignificant.

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This is not Japan warning its citizens.... it is Japan saying to China.... we're prepared for you to hate us.... we do not care.

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OssanAmericaAug. 14, 2016 - 08:22PM JST

Problem is that these two countries have had a relationship with each other since about 500 AD making these years insignificant.

Not for the 20,000,000 Chinese killed and their descendants,, ergo sum the anti-Japanese sentiment of the Chinese in the 21st Century.

Now maybe you can explain the reason for the Japanese anti-Chinese sentiment of the 21st century, something I hear everyday, in all quarters?

As far as I can make out, except for a few dented Toyatas, harsh words spoken by an individual drunken Chinese salary man in a restaurant and a few bottles thrown at the Japanese embassy, I for the hell of me, can't see what China has done bad to the Japanese that makes them deserving of this Japanese vitroil.

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Gary Raynor: Bang on! And what's more, the rhetoric here is getting as bad as ever, with this 'warning' and hypocrisy over islands in the Pacific being more and more instigation on Japan's part. In fact, they just decided to build missiles -- you know, to add to the "non-existent" Japanese military -- to protect what Japan claims are its islands. But, it's all China's fault... never Japan's.

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Gary RaynorAug. 14, 2016 - 08:56PM JST "OssanAmericaAug. 14, 2016 - 08:22PM JST "Problem is that these two countries have had a relationship with each other since about 500 AD making these years insignificant."

Not for the 20,000,000 Chinese killed and their descendants,, ergo sum the anti-Japanese sentiment of the Chinese in >the 21st Century.

Irrelevant. Russia lost 27,000,000 in WWII alone but they don't make anti-German sentiment an official political and diplomatic tool. Of course maybe the Russians are simply more mature than the Chinese.

Now maybe you can explain the reason for the Japanese anti-Chinese sentiment of the 21st century, something I hear >everyday, in all quarters?

Easy. In 1972 J-PM Tanaka met with Premier Chou En Lai of PRC and they signed the Sino-Japanese Treaty of Friendship. This was the first formal relationship between the new post WWII Japan and the new PRC. Tanaka offered an apology for WWII and reparations, which Chou En Lai declined., opting for ODA instead. Long story short, it was approved by Mao Tse Tung and even reaffirmed in 1978, opening the way for the first Panasonic factory in China. While on the surface things appeared unchanged, there was a movement underway during Deng Xiao Ping's regime to create a master plan for China, to change China economically at first, then strategically. By 2002 a few PLA hawks were openly talking about the East and South China Sea, the 9 Dash line and breaking the first island chain. But they kept selling the world the "Peaceful Rise" lie until they were ready. In 2010, Then Tokyo Governor Ishihara, a known nationalist moved to acquire the Senkakus. The J-Govt under an untested DPJ rule feared that would wreck Sino-Japanese relations and purchased 3 of the 5 islands. One had already been owned by the J-govt since the return of Okinawa. China's plans were based on Ishihara buying the islands and giving them an excuse to come open with their plan to take them over. Tharted by the J-govt, they went ahead anyway using the term "nationalized" as if it were some foreign invasion. Backed by hyper-nationalist demonstrations directed by the CCP government, anti-Japan sentiment was stoked to a high degree leading to the Japanese public being horrified by what they saw on TV. THAT is when the current 21st century anti-China sentiment began in Japan. And today anti-China sentiment is high in other Asian countries like the Philippines and Vietnam.

As far as I can make out, except for a few dented Toyatas, harsh words spoken by an individual drunken Chinese >salary man in a restaurant and a few bottles thrown at the Japanese embassy, I for the hell of me, can't see what China >has done bad to the Japanese that makes them deserving of this Japanese vitroil.

Japanese resentment of China is NOTHING compared to Chinese hatred for Japan, which unlike in Japan, is fueled, directed and instigated by the Chinese government. And your attempts to write off violence towards people and property is ridiculous. Your so-called Japanese vitriol hasn't produced the mob behavior that China has shown the world.

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OssanAmerica

I see you still haven't read up on any history between China and Japan? When was the last time mobs in Japan attacked Chinese and smashed Chinese stores and restaurants? Right now they're smashing iphones, KFCs and MacDonalds in China.

History you say? Mukden "incident", Nanking, Unit 731, and the Japanese perpetual denial.

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OssanAmerica

I really feel your "pain" in discussing with "experts" who don't even know the meaning of "mobs".

The simple fact that they counter your arguments with "Mukden", "Nanking", "Unit 731" etc., etc., is more than evident that comprehension is the big issue here.

In any event, Chinese MOBS are far more virulent/violent than J-ones.

Exactly when was was the last time J-mobs attached and wrecked Chinese property in J-land???

Unless yer wanna go back to 1923, all the rest is "bull" (ocks)!

On the other hand, Chinese MOBS did it in 2012.

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I am sure that Japanese people can blend if they don't speak. Whenever I went to China with a Japanese person, people instantly spoke to them in Chinese. They were also useful in stopping taxis which keep passin' me by like I'm the Pharcyde.

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Japan should give stupid China a lesson by force of Japan , otherwise China keeps to bother Japan so much . With the bad moral China people must not think about how to treat human being , because China actually is not a nice human being minded

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kurisupisuAug. 14, 2016 - 12:10PM JST

The anti Japanese riots? It is so easy for the Chinese government to pay a hundred or so rent-a-thugs to go and attack something and the impression is that all Chinese hate Japanese people. How easily we are all deceived ......"

Yes indeed, how easily we are all deceived.... The anti-Japanese riots in China in 2005 and 2012 were much more than "a hundred or so rent-a-thugs;" more like many thousands. Certainly they were encouraged and condoned by the Chinese government, who have proven over and over again they can stop any kind of demonstrations or riots in a moment. Perhaps not all Chinese "hate Japanese people" but many do, and they have been brainwashed since birth to do so. (This comes not just from observation, but from personal experience). And Japanese cannot really "blend in" with Chinese any more than an English person could blend in with French people or American people with German people. Take off the rose-colored glasses.

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As far as I can make out, except for a few dented Toyatas, harsh words spoken by an individual drunken Chinese salary man in a restaurant and a few bottles thrown at the Japanese embassy, I for the hell of me, can't see what China has done bad to the Japanese that makes them deserving of this Japanese vitroil.

It’s very easy to find and see how Chinese mobs were like in 2012. Not just Japanese restaurants crashed, Japanese companies like Ion and Panasonic Factories were attacked. Speaking of Panasonic..it was symbolic bridge of friendship and cooperations between 2 countries.

Noble Promise 1978

Deng Xiaoping:

I visit here Japan in the position of disciple. For modernization of China and it’s industry, please help us.

Matsushita of Panasonic:

With our best effort for whatever

Drinking water Siyuan

Hu Jintao visited Panasonic in 2008 and thanked :

We would never forget your favor and efforts for development of our country.

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OssanAmerica

Irrelevant. Russia lost 27,000,000 in WWII alone but they don't make anti-German sentiment an official political and diplomatic tool. Of course maybe the Russians are simply more mature than the Chinese.

Or maybe it's that Germany is more mature than Japan and doesn't elect politicians who deny that they did anything wrong in history and whose only regret about the 1937-45 war is that they lost it.

OssanAmerica

Japanese resentment of China is NOTHING compared to Chinese hatred for Japan,

I've lived in both countries (admittedly China in the 1980s), while you've lived in neither, and let me tell you that anti-Chinese sentiment by the general populace in Japan is much more widespread than in China. It's just less explicit, but it doesn't mean it will stay that way.

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Gary RaynorAug. 15, 2016 - 04:08AM JST "OssanAmerica Irrelevant. Russia lost 27,000,000 in WWII alone but they don't make anti-German sentiment an official political and diplomatic tool. Of course maybe the Russians are simply more mature than the Chinese."

Or maybe it's that Germany is more mature than Japan and doesn't elect politicians who deny that they did anything >wrong in history and whose only regret about the 1937-45 war is that they lost it.

Maturity one way or the other doesn't explain why Germany despite anti-Nazi laws has numerous neo-Nazi groups and blows Japan away in numbers of foreigners (or those who look foreign) assaulted. You have zero idea of how Japanese feel about WWII. If it isn't obvious they don't want war, they don't want a military, they'd rather live in a peaceful bubble. In contrast, China wants war. They say so. Their supporters say so. China's "regret" is that they were on the losing end of wars from the 1800s onwards and they think they can make up the "humiliation" now in the 21st century. Sorry but it ain't happening.

"OssanAmerica "Japanese resentment of China is NOTHING compared to Chinese hatred for Japan".

I've lived in both countries (admittedly China in the 1980s), while you've lived in neither,

You've lived in neither, your comments make that damn obvious to everyone else who has.

and let me tell you that anti-Chinese sentiment by the general populace in Japan is much more widespread than in >China. It's just less explicit, but it doesn't mean it will stay that way.

Proof that you've never even visited Japan much less lived there. There are realities that even J-haters recognize, if they've ever actually been there. Your comments fail the test. And don't even pretend to start to guess where I have lived.

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-1 Good Bad Gary RaynorAUG. 15, 2016 - 04:08AM JST OssanAmerica

Irrelevant. Russia lost 27,000,000 in WWII alone but they don't make anti-German sentiment an official political and diplomatic tool. Of course maybe the Russians are simply more mature than the Chinese.

Or maybe it's that Germany is more mature than Japan and doesn't elect politicians who deny that they did anything wrong in history and whose only regret about the 1937-45 war is that they lost it."

Or maybe it is just that you swallow Chinese propaganda hook, line and sinker. Japan has apologized to China, formally and informally, about 30 times for its actions in WWII. Some of those apologies were accepted by the government of the day in China, only to be rejected by the next one that comes along. Most were "rejected" as "not being sincere enough." Truth is, Japan could apologize a million times in a million different ways and none of those apologies would be "sincere enough" for China.

The Chinese government is no different from any other totalitarian government that ever existed, they need an "outside enemy" or enemies to legitimize their hold on power; without them the politically ignorant Chinese people might take a long, hard look at their own government.

Obviously the FACT that Japan has been an absolutely peaceful country for over 70 years (which is a lot more than can say for China) means nothing to you. You are aware that WWII ended in 1945 are you not? And exactly how "mature" is Germany? I recall Germany started WWII not too many years after they started WWI. And do you imagine that China is mature in any way? Is the Chinese policy of making enemies all around what you call mature?

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Gary RaynorAug. 15, 2016 - 04:08AM JST OssanAmerica "Irrelevant. Russia lost 27,000,000 in WWII alone but they don't make anti-German sentiment an official political and diplomatic tool. Of course maybe the Russians are simply more mature than the Chinese. Or maybe it's that Germany is more mature than Japan and doesn't elect politicians who deny that they did anything >wrong in history and whose only regret about the 1937-45 war is that they lost it.

Remarkably crass comment considering that Japan has been at peace for over 70 years. Japan has apologized to everyone, including China (accepted y Chou En Lai and Mao Tse Tung himself) and played a major role in advancing lesser developed Asian nations.

OssanAmerica "Japanese resentment of China is NOTHING compared to Chinese hatred for Japan," I've lived in both countries (admittedly China in the 1980s), while you've lived in neither,

No you haven't. And you don't know where I've lived. When is the last time you saw mobs in Japan assaulting Chinese people or smashing Chinese stores and restaurants? The world has watched the Chinese do this on TV

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Ossan

You'd better "teach" some people what a mob is, before they tell about the Marco Polo Bridge incident.

Ignorance knows no bounds.

You have been warned!

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Actually the average Chinese are very friendly to foreign people, including Japanese. they are generally pretty oblivious to the propaganda.

They are very sensitive people however when it comes to things like national pride, an international incident which would cause protests in other counties would easily turn into a riot in China.

can’t blame them thought, if you were in their shoes.

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I have 2 chinese friends and when the PCA ruled with us, the Philippines, they were so cold to me. So i opened up and asked them. They told me that Chinese people are not that friendly anymore to Filipino people. I don't know what just happened. I just think that they've been affected by China's stupid-puppet-war-mongering medias. As far as the territorial dispute is concerned, of course, my country first above all. The Philippines maybe weak in military, but we can still fight. Others might say, we are stupid, but we are not. The sense of patriotism engraved in majority of the Filipinos is immeasurable. As what our national anthem say "Ang mamatay ng dahil sa 'yo" meaning "To die for you". To fight even if it threatens the extinction of our nation is WORTH DYING FOR.

Furthermore, the Philippines is the only true ally of Japan in Asia. We may not forget horrible things in WWII, but we already forgave. Both countries suffered enough. The Japanese Government as well as the Japanese people, has been good to us. Domo Arigatou Gozaimasu.

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I agree, the Chinese people that I've talked to are generally friendly and appreciate Japanese culture and food. I work at a ramen place in Berlin and most of the customers are surprisingly Chinese.

Although generally speaking, the Chinese are the most rude and tip the least in my experience. If that means anything.

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