Japanese fishermen fear confrontation with N Korean boats


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In this changing world, Japan will just have to learn to start sharing.

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Russia, China, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan. When do we see some good-natured working togetherness? Who will take the lead? Who’s the most civilized?

May the fishing season begin.

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"that doesn't make the Japanese fishermen of Sakata feel any easier"

Perhaps the Japanese fishermen of Sakata can pressure Abe to order the Self Defense Forces to take out the N. Korean threat.

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Japan has every right to defend its territorial fishing waters. The North Koreans are illegally encroaching. Anyone can clearly see that it sure ain't Japan that's the "aggressors" of Northeast Asia.

If Japanese fishing vessels had done the same to North Korea, the haters here would then be blasting Japan, and justifying any action on North Korea's part to enforce its territory.

Double standards as per usual.

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400 kilometers off Japan's northwestern coast and an area Tokyo says is its exclusive economic zone.

Tokyo says eh.

Apparently an EEZ can only reach up to 200 nautical miles, which is 370 km. The quote above says 400km. An EEZ is not territorial waters either. It is not Japanese territory.

Oldman_13 the haters here

Therefore saying the North Korean fisherman are "illegally encroaching" is a stretch at best and the Japan hater comment is rather nonsensical

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You're partly correct. Only partly.

Adding to that 200 nm the Continental shelf from Japan's baseline (UNCLOS- 1982), the limit is extended to 350 nm, but not on inch more. You're "mistake" stems from ignoring the 1982 Act.

Therefore Japan is "da boss" in that region, I'm afraid.

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One inch; sorry.

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Your mistake; that's what happens when you type and watch footie at the same time.

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If the North Koreans are hungry perhaps they should be left to catch some squid?

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I am more correct than you think. I was not ignoring UNCLOS 1982.

The EEZ is not extended by a continental shelf.

Article 57 on UNCLOS-1982 quite straighfordwardly says that the EEZ is up to 200 nm.

There are different exclusive rights for each area.

On the continental shelf, the coastal State has exclusive rights for the purpose of exploring and exploiting living organisms belonging to sedentary species that exist on the seabed and/or seabed subsoil, as these are under its sovereignty.

Note lack of exclusive fishing rights as there are no rights to the water column.

PS It has that info on Wikipedia too.

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Please check proper legislation; don't rely on Wiki. That's something my lecturers always advised against us doing.

Preamble to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

All you need is:

1) Definition of the continental shelf


ss.76(5), (6), (7), (8), (9), (10)

2) Rights of the coastal State over the continental shelf


"2. The rights referred to in paragraph 1 are exclusive in the sense that if the coastal State does not explore the continental shelf or exploit its natural resources, no one may undertake these activities without the express consent of the coastal State.

The rights of the coastal State over the continental shelf do not depend on occupation, effective or notional, or on any express proclamation."

So, yeah; Japan is da boss over those Shallows.

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To make your life easier:


"6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 5, on submarine ridges, the outer limit of the continental shelf shall not exceed 350 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. This paragraph does not apply to submarine elevations that are natural components of the continental margin, such as its plateaux, rises, caps, banks and spurs.

The coastal State shall delineate the outer limits of its continental shelf, where that shelf extends beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured, by straight lines not exceeding 60 nautical miles in length, connecting fixed points, defined by coordinates of latitude and longitude."

It's a nice day here in London, btw.

The Peeping.

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I did miss Art 77(4) for definition of "natural resources".

You're right in that fishing is excluded.

Therefore, though Japan enjoys sovereignty up tp 350 nm from the base line, fishing is allowed by outsiders but not oil/gas and even laying of submarine cables by others than Japan.

So, you were right and I am wrong in this chapter. The boss can tell others not to do anything else but fishing apparently.

Apologies, but I was not paid to read this legislation throughly; cynical, init?

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