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Gender bias is that only gender bias, that's among many other bias that exist in Japan. there is also appearance bias, Bias in Japan is that something new? Even if there is an action to solve this bias there will be many years before it really being implemented in Japan.

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"Parental attitudes did not seem to affect the children's responses about intelligence in the study." 4- to 6-year-old children are basing their opinions on the lived experiences they have in the home and at school. In other words from their exchanges with parents, teachers, friends and classmates.

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Regarding intelligence, no gender differences were observed for 4- to 6-year-old children, but by the time they hit the age of 7, there was a shift, with more boys linking it with their gender than girls.

Seems girls are smarter than boys

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The research team was surprised to discover that Japanese children start associating "brilliance" as a male trait later than children in the United States, ranked 27th in the World Economic Forum report. Outside studies show that most American children start doing so when they are 6 years old, it said.

Seems the research team also has strong biases

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"Seems girls are smarter than boys" Perhaps 7 year old boys have heard "shiranai" more often from girls/their mothers than boys/their fathers...

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Wow how did the homo sapiens ever get where we are?

Seems according to all the so-called experts everything about our society and evolution is somehow flawed.

If even 1% of what today's so-called experts findings in gender, sexuality child rearing, etc...were correct, homo sapiens would have gone extinct millennias ago.

Here is a bit of person experience that should make people think at how "expert" these so-called experts really are.

As a child I was diagnosed with hiper activity ( old name for ADHD), Dyslexia, and later ASD.

Today well over 90% of all the so-called expert recommend treatments/therapies are now not used, worse most are now said to actually have done more harm than good.

Example: believe it or not, it was at one point considered a real working theory that ADHD and bad behaviour was caused be the mother resenting the child subconsciously while still in the womb. Yes folk that was something "experts" said at the time! ADHD was caused by food, so cut out all sugar all colour all non essential ingredients and foods! Dyslexia could be cured by putting an eye path over one eye! ASD, ADHD and homosexuality could all all be cured by "rebirthing" and behavioral modification.

So what " expert" research or recommendations we have today are going to be the mistakes tomorrow and what amount of damage will have been done to our children, more drugs, irreversible surgical modifications, hormone therapy, etc...

Remember lobotomies? Electroshock therapy?

When a non medical so-called expert says something about development of children, treatment of adults that is physical or mental remember they are only really guessing and as Homo sapiens inevitably inverting their own bias into their so-called research and interpreting things using that same bias.

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> "Seems girls are smarter than boys" Perhaps 7 year old boys have heard "shiranai" more often from girls/their mothers than boys/their fathers...

Wow

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"Japanese kids develop unconscious gender biases at young age: study"

What a surprise (NOT)! Western children, of course, are NEVER exposed to cultural biases early in their programming by their milieu... ...except that a CULTURE is NOTHING BUT an integrated set of "unconscious" interacting biases in perception AND subsequent behaviors...

What are little boys made of?

What are little boys made of?

  Snips, snails

  And puppy-dogs' tails

That's what little boys are made of

What are little girls made of?

What are little girls made of?

  Sugar and spice

  And everything nice [or "all things nice"]

That's what little girls are made of[1]

Wikipedia, [perhaps] English poet Robert Southey (1774–1843)

""sakurasukiToday 07:00 am JST

Gender bias is that only gender bias, that's among many other bias that exist in Japan. there is also appearance bias, Bias in Japan is that something new? Even if there is an action to solve this bias there will be many years before it really being implemented in Japan.""

And then, of course, there is RACIAL and /or CULTURAL bias...

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"Wow" I know, right. Imagine developing an opinion from your immediate experience. Wow!

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Better tell the researchers that could be the reason

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"Japanese kids develop unconscious gender biases at young age: study"

What a surprise (NOT)! Western children, of course, are NEVER exposed to cultural biases early in their programming by their milieu...

Says in the article children in the US develop the bias at a younger age

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This is a serious problem. Children must be taught to not learn from their experiences. I think breastfeeding should be banned - it teaches children that men cannot provide sustenance and leads to incorrect gender thinking. Instead, the law should require that all children be fed by bottle, with parents of all genders taking equal turns. Corporate-made baby formula from a bottle is safer than breast milk anyway because it is regulated.

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Was about to comment about title a little misleading but didnt

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You’d really better care about that other bias of already empty and still full purses on every end of a month. There you have enough workload to do.

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"Better tell the researchers that could be the reason" Well, I'm gonna hazard a guess it isn't from all the peer-reviewed studies they've slogged through by the age of 7

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Hahaha

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similar results occurred in the states, uk. Antiquesaving. I think your confusing psychiatry and psychology, mental health and gender bias, and the language we use for boys and girls. Eg girls are cute, like pink, and arbut boys are smart, fast and strong.

While that’s your experience, it’s not everyone’s. And yes psychiatry has had a terrible history, but we also need to remember medicine has also had its fair share too.

electric shock therapy ECT has helped many people, and picking and choosing isn’t helpful but should be based o. Each individual patient.

While you mention hormone therapy, we have also used hormones is other conditions, insulin is a hormone, steroids is a hormone. I’d rather have an expert than an amateur. That’s why we go to the doctor/nurse and not our friends for treatment.

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Says in the article children in the US develop the bias at a younger age

Could that be the bias and conclusion these so-called experts had in mind that surprise surprise they confirmed?

This is not science even if called social science!

It is all a guess unlike real science.

Boil water it boils at 100°C

200 real scientist boil water at sea level and it boils always at 100°C

Take 10 different group of so-called behavioral researchers and you will get 10 different results all based on their initial feelings.

Might as well use taro cards.

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X Y cromones. Variations.

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This article cites the World Economic Forum.....an unelected body of world elites interfering with the affairs of sovereign nations and seeking to impose globalism under their control, who became infamous for thier motto 'You will own nothing and be happy!' In other words 'We will own and control it all and you are required be happy about it.'

Slam the door on these people's influence on Japanese academia or social and economic policy. They don't love Japan or anyone else.

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From the article: "Parental attitudes did not seem to affect the children's responses about intelligence in the study." Also from the article: ""Of-the-cuff remarks by parents and educators may influence children's thoughts."

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"Of-the-cuff remarks by parents and educators may influence children's thoughts. I want to mitigate gender assumptions by finding the origins of stereotypes."

Yeah, good luck with that.

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From the article: "Parental attitudes did not seem to affect the children's responses about intelligence in the study." Also from the article: ""Of-the-cuff remarks by parents and educators may influence children's thoughts."

The researcher offered a possible explanation

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This is not science even if called social science!

It is all a guess unlike real science.

That's a fact. All social sciences have to be taken with several grains of salt - results are more easily tilted in a desired direction and the variables are infinite. I started off studying social sciences - and then economics - but abandoned them when I realized it was all fluff. "If A then B, except when A has an element of C, then it's D, except when D is related to X, then Y, except when..." They start with one grand theory and add a new theory each time there is an exception found. Pretty soon you have as many theories as exceptions. People just aren't as predictable as atoms and elements.

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Through my school days, I always thought girls were smarter, that is why I would sweet talk them into helping with my homework. Also other guys thought the same, because we as boys had other things to worry about

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Through my school days, I always thought girls were smarter, that is why I would sweet talk them into helping with my homework. Also other guys thought the same, because we as boys had other things to worry about

Seems in your case you are correct

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They reflect the gender bias of those around them and that presented to them on the media, on TV, manga, songs. Change that and you'll change the children.

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If you experienced teaching in elementary schools, you would know all the biases against minorities being instilled in the minds of Japanese kids.

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Of course this is science. People come up with a hypothesis, to try and understand something, set up research, and tests, analyze the results. Sometimes the results confirm a hypothesis. Some times it reputes it, some times in in inconclusive. If you really want proof that it is a science and is used every day, just look at social media, car insurance, your electronic pay apps, or some of the algorithms they side and all based on peoples “behavior”“Gender” “Ages”. There’s a reason why boys are more risk takers, or play modern warfare and while women are safer drivers than young men. It is not BLACK and WHITE. But to understand human behavior is where medicine was hundreds of years ago. Draining blood, using leaches, and wondering why some blood transfusions worked a hundred years ago and some didn’t.

why did normal people become part of nazi regime and murdered millions and how we deal with prejudice. Its research!

one example out of all this research is how the UN recommends any virus is coded, and not named after the place/ country where it first occurred as the less educated will be open to prejudices.

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Here were we know the agenda and bias.

Several years ago a group trying to prove gender bias and attitudes was a social construct did a study that ended up proving their view wrong.

They concluded that boys even at the youngest age if given a toy would inevitably use that toy in a more "forceful" way ( basically bang it toss it break it) and girls given the same Toys were far more gentle and would play more calmly ( alone in all cases boys and girls).

This surprised these researchers so they repeated it multiple times with different groups of children very very young children of varying backgrounds with the same results every time.

This was unacceptable to the present day view and they were attacked, their research rejected out of hand despite no one being able to find fault in it.

Understand boys give a car or a doll inevitably pashed them both tossing them around and girls give the same car and doll inevitably played gently with both.

We are being told gender is now just a figment or imagination.

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Of course this is science.

Nope.

Proof let 5 other researcher groups in 4 other countries and one more in Japan and you will get a different result in every case.

So not science not even worth doing.

Science gives results that can be repeated over and over again.

Science theories but more importantly has fact.

This stuff has no facts not a single fact only theories.

again social and behavioral "science" has zero nothing not one single FACT, only theories of which 90%+ will no longer be used or acceptable in 10, 15, 20 years.

Pure guess work. Not science!

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Science theories but more importantly has fact.

This stuff has no facts not a single fact only theories.

You may want to read up on the philosophy of science before exposing your ignorance. Oh but then philosophers would probably be deemed "experts" in your view and not worthy of consideration. You can see where this leads, right? Yes, the very same "there is no truth" and everyone's silly prejudices are then justified.

I'd rather have a method to approach what is true than people spraying their unfounded views around.

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Antiquesaving:

I think your set in your thinking. Many of todays science is based on hypothesis, and theory.

your assuming that there must be a definite answer to meet your definition of science.Science is based on observation of the physical and natural world, and experiments. So we can TRY to understand the world around us, the people, and medicine. Why some people commit crime, become evil. Some sciences may seem more concrete, but even they at that time, had people who said it was not science or true and even today don’t have answers.. This goes back to the ancient Greeks. Were they any less scientific When they’re hypothesis we’re proven wrong at the time? When the earth was flat? And the earth moved around the sun? That humans were not the center of the universe? Of course maybe your experience with adhd and dyslexia may cloud your perception but I don’t remember doctors saying food coloring was the cause of adhd. Apart from Benjamin Feingold and the media blows it up way way out of proportion, just as there was a fringe UK doctor( who was struck of the register) for saying vaccines caused autism.

we cannot get the same single results in every single experiment because we are human, each with different parents and different environments , different cultures that’s why twin studies are the gold standard, especially when they were adopted separately. Now, thankfully this is banned.

But science is about observation, hypothesis, testing, analysis and repeating, and understanding. Thankfully we understand schizophrenics are suffering a disease and not possessed by the devil or have some magical power. We understand that people are genetically gay, and not a choice. All through science. And people had been saying that well before genetics was even a science or known.

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Moonraker

Today 10:32 am JST

Ooops hurt feelings.

Philosophy another waste of money and time!

Yes yes yes I heard all the excuses to have philosophy social science etc.

You know " philosophy teachers how to think how to rationalize, how to blah, blah blah".

Now I counter with a simple example.

A cattle header in some remote area, never been to school never had a single lesson in sociology or philosophy but his father taught him how to count the cattle and how to tell when the seasons are going to change based on math and the sun and stars ( very basic math skills and understanding the stars/sky).

He understands reality, facts he knows when to move his cattle to the different grazing locations, he knows how many head he has and if one is missing.

He will live a good life never even hearing about philosophy or sociology.

But without a basic knowledge of math ( a real science) and of the seasons his life will be far more difficult.

Look at the number of unemployed university graduates, the vast majority are social science graduates.

Real science like medical, biology, chemistry, engineering, even business get jobs and usually in their field of study.

The rest take what they can get 90% of those I know that studied philosophy and sociology ended up in some office job or retail store.

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The findings, published early this month in the journal Scientific Reports, looked at 565 Japanese boys and girls and discovered that girls start believing when they are age 4 that they are nicer than boys, while more boys believe they are comparatively smarter by the time they turn 7.

I wonder how they actually conceptualized "nice" or "kind".

According to extant research findings, school girls are smarter than school boys by several indices such as test scores. The majority of girls are less deviated from the norm while boys are more likely to be outliers, either super-talents or super-dum.

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your assuming that there must be a definite answer to meet your definition of science.

No now read again.

Science has theories and a lot of them but real science also has facts often once those original theories are proven right or wrong.

Philosophy, sociology, psychology, etc..

Have theories and only theories you cannot name a single thing that is fact in any of those 3 zero nothing not a single thing.

If you present the above research, I can find another stating a different result and this can be done with 100% of the junk all 3 of these so-called sciences claim

If I tell you 2+2=4 or water at see level boils at 100°C you will not be able to disprove those facts.

Make the difference science has theories but it also had hard facts that cannot be disproven and can be repeated over and over again with the same results every time.

These fake sciences cannot repeat a single thing they cannot prove anything they remain theories and only theories not even they will say their junk is fact .

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Millions are helped with Philosophy, sociology, and psychology.

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The wife is much smarter than me but I never let on that she is.

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The implication here seems to be that there shouldn't be differences between the genders. Certain radicals want to erase gender and turn it simply into "a social construct"- God, I hate that phrase. And something that a person can wear or take off at will.

Yet there are significant differences, and not just physical ones either. Males and females tend to be similar, but not identical. This may account for differences in education and career choice, for example.

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Here is something to think about!

The "best " the " correct" treatment and methods to deal with ADHD and ASD when I was I child with both, were all no longer recognized or used by the time I had my ASD daughter and my sister had here ADHD daughter.

And now today what was the recognize and used methods for dealing with ADHD and ASD when my sister and I were raising our daughters are now no longer accepted or used.

Now they have totally new "theories " and more and more drugs.

And I am willing to bet that what is used today will be replaced by a new theory by the next generation.

But since I was born water still boils at 100°C gravity hasn't changed, antibiotics still cure diseases, etc...

Again the article is pure speculation, pure bias based on "observation" by the person doing it and that person injects his or her own interpretation because the children are not directly saying anything.

I could look at these children and there behaviour and see something totally different.

Example: a boy playing hockey, he gives solid body checks.

One observer says the boy is competitive and confident.

The other observer says the boy shows signs of aggressive behavior and bullying.

So who is right?

Opinion not science not facts.

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"The researcher offered a possible explanation"...that the writer completely ignored Writer: "Parental attitudes did not seem to affect the children's responses about intelligence in the study."...Yusuke Moriguchi, a Kyoto University associate professor who was involved in the research, noted how casually stereotypes could mark children.

Researcher:

"Of-the-cuff remarks by parents and educators may influence children's thoughts"

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The authors speculated that one reason could be that Japanese parents do not expect stereotypical gender abilities, particularly intellectual ones, until their children are of school age, thus treating their preschool children equally.

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Is it 'bias', or a reflection of reality?

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I personally don't see any problem if kids recognize other genders differently as long as there is a respect for the difference.

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People who have traits that stretch across both autism and ADHD diagnoses often face more serious challenges than people with either diagnosis alone: They can have greater impairments in adaptive functioning, a term that refers to self-care and daily living skills, and more severe social and cognitive issues.

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@antiquesaving:

Thank you for your very based comments, as usual! Fully agree with you!

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We can post a response to any comment made.

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 Using photos and stick figures of both genders, the children were asked to choose the gender they associated with each of those characteristics.

One positive is that we are dealing with two genders, and looking at the behavior of boys, and girls. At least this is very clear.

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The implication here seems to be that there shouldn't be differences between the genders.

Implication is we shouldn't associate predisposition to kindness and intelligence with gender (sex)

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Isn't this what anthropologists have been saying for like 100 years?

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"In the study, researchers from institutions including Kyoto University told the group of children hypothetical stories of adults and children displaying "nice" or "smart" traits." Can anyone find a link to the actual survey? I'm curious about those hypothetical stories.

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No.

Scientists would be more likely to study to find out whether there are genetic predispositions to intelligence and other traits than say that there should be or there shouldn't be

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Antiquesaving. It seems your clouding social science and medical science.

social science is trying to understand wether nature or nurture is part of how we are. You seem to be stuck in the past and how ADHD was theorized and treated. Well maybe your angry at those doctors not helping you, but to dismiss research completely is not going to help anyone. Imagine if nobody did any research into helping people with ADHD, or DYSLEXIA, we would be stuck in the past when these kids were classes a dumb, and stupid. And teachers would ignore them. Research goes on, and new testaments are brought out. You may not agree with them,(that’s your own personal bias) but for many many other, the treatment has worked for them. But let’s remember, this isn’t about a “cure”, but about helping someone cope. If you also think about it, are your prepared scientifically to look at your own bias, and possibly change, scientists are aware they may be wrong… that’s how science progresses. We don’t use some old drugs from the 1950s because we’ve got better medicine. Why can we cure one person’s cancer but not another.

yours is an opinion, that’s all, and is subjective, most certainly not objective A theory is based on confirmation to a hypothesis, until something new comes along. Social science is completely different to philosophy. But sociology has a lot to give in how we understand human behavior. It’s certainly not meant to be Black or white. The same as there is not gay or straight, there are shades of grey depending on the social situation.

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Antiquesaving. It seems your clouding social science and medical science.

yours is an opinion, that’s all, and is subjective, most certainly not objective A theory is based on confirmation to a hypothesis, until something new comes along. Social science is completely different to philosophy. But sociology has a lot to give in how we understand human behavior. It’s certainly not meant to be Black or white. The same as there is not gay or straight, there are shades of grey depending on the social situation.

40 years ago dyslexia was almost unheard of especially in education. Today, people can have training to help overcome it or deal with it. It is also a DNA thing. Today, people with dyslexia go to universities.

I have a younger brother with severe dyslexia who didn’t even speak for the first five years of his life. At times I have to decipher his emails to understand them. Today he is a successful gas engineer earning good money.

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I have often thought that if it were possible to carry out an experiment on say, 20 children, from when they are born to the age of 10 and they were not subjected to any outside interference apart from themselves, how would they develop? If they did not know that girls and boys were different or how they should act I think their whole outlook on themselves would be completely different to having grown up in an adult influenced life. What if the children were allowed to wear whatever they wanted, and in whatever colours, what if they had no gender based toys to influence their little minds. There is no doubt in my mind that adults raise their children to be who they want them to be, and the trouble with that is that it is not always a good thing.

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This is what happens when a group of experts try to compare apples and oranges.

News flash - males and females are different.

The only people being bias are the one's doing the surveys.

Lets not ruin Japanese traditional family values by comparing Japan to the USA.

Its a well known fact males mature slower than females and nature makes it so .

This whole gender whackadoodle nonsense has gotten beyond putrid .

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Abe234

Today 01:50 pm JST

I like how people that haven't been the ones "treated" know more,

It is like a man saying to a woman her understands what it is like being pregnant and giving birth.

Just for a point dyslexia was well known when I was a child and I am in my 60s so that little thing we can dispense.

It isn't research it is throwing s..it on the wall to see what sticks.

What they want are robots, parents and teachers want conformity unless you declare yourself Transgender etc... But the first thing a binary child gets now if they don't accept the false narrative is behavioral modification and drugs.

As I gave the example.

Boy playing hockey hard body checks his opponent.

One observer says the boy is competitive and confident.

The other observer says the boy shows signs of aggressive behavior and bullying.

But we know today that we have a 90% chance the second view will be seen as correct because that is what the social manipulation wants.

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jadefeldtophelia

Today 02:11 pm JST

If and this is a big if.

If we could take babies say 6 3 biological boys 3 biological girls.

We put them in the wild no adults no social structure and we could somehow insure they live until past puberty, odds are the boys would take on what are often called male activities and the girls would do female activities.

By this I mean hunting fishing etc..by the males and more domestic and eventually child rearing by the female.

Now why can we make this educated guess, because that is how homo sapiens developed and became the dominant species.

No amount of research and social engineering will change the past as much as they try.

We are animals despite what many would like us not to be.

We are just a more developed animal.

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I have been treated for cancer, and survived but that does not make me an expert on cancer, not even the one I had. I have my experience but millions of others have a different experience.

There are not single one treatments and therapies. There are many.

I could speak about my cancer experience and it might help some but it won’t help all.

Each person is unique.

Worked with disabled and gifted children back in the UK. All had a wide range of problems.

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I honestly hoped that Japan, with all it's unique qualities, and sometimes strange ways, had avoided all this nonsense

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Gender bias (or non-bias, as the case may be) develops at a young age in all cultures, and not just in Japan.

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Example: a boy playing hockey, he gives solid body checks.

One observer says the boy is competitive and confident.

The other observer says the boy shows signs of aggressive behavior and bullying.

So who is right?

Opinion not science not facts.

The "fact" would be the solid body check. Similar to the "fact" that water boils at 100C at sea level. The science would be trying to create a theory as to why and providing evidence to support that theory. As sciences such as physics and chemistry deal with only atoms and molecules, we might say it is easier to establish a theory in those fields. It's more complex with biology. And even more complex when social factors come into play. But I think it can still be viewed as science.

Your observers are not practicing science. As you say, they are voicing opinions. But if they asked what causes some boys to give solid body checks, and then did some research to establish or refute their hypotheses, then it would be science. (Maybe useless science, but that's a different matter.)

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Prehistorically, the men were hunters and the women gatherer’s. There have been societies where the female was the dominant sex.

There are still many women giving birth under a tree and returning to her fields after.

There are also countries with unacceptable child mortality rates.

In modern society, we no longer live with clear cut distinctions of which gender or sex does.

Women have the babies but many return to work soon after. Some fathers will give up their work to child care while the mother returns to work.

There are single mothers, fathers. Gay parents. The spectrums is broad these days.

More rich households will employ nannies for their childcare.

We use to go to bed at dark and get up at dawn. Now we have lights.

We do not live in the same ways as they did 10,000 years ago.

All children need to be nurtured and encouraged to develop themselves into capable people using their full potentials to develop into an adult. The period of childhood is very short compared to the period of adult life.

We stand apart from all other creatures because we think and we use our free will.

We are not some rumble in the jungle.

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Science has theories and a lot of them but real science also has facts often once those original theories are proven right or wrong.

Antique saving - Newton identified the law of gravity - most useful. Einstein only came up with a theory to explain gravity. Does it mean that one is lesser than the other? The former is essentially an observation, the latter part of the theory of relativity and the discovery of space time.

Theory of evolution - should that go in the trash too?

While I should let you get away with not knowing the distinction between hypothesis and theory, you make a definitional fallacy by using such a limited definition of science to entirely suit your opinion.

Social sciences may not include the hard laws of physics, but findings aren't down to day dreaming either. This is why data collection is so important - if you ask statistically significant numbers the same question in different countries and get clearly different responses, that it a useful finding.

Sometimes it seems obvious, but as with Newton, it means bringing measurable clarity to a phenomenon.

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Bungle

Today 03:58 pm JST

Actually this is why the L and G are now at odds with the rest.

For years the L&G have made their point as they are born that way, thing are hardwired and no amount of therapy will change that.

Suddenly they and the heterosexuals are being told there are no genders and everything is fluid which contradicts the decades of "we can't be changed" by the L and G.

So if we listen to the so-called experts on these subjects we should disband and dissolve the LGBTQ..... because no such thing exists only fluidity of genders based on today's feelings and tomorrow may be different.

Passports should all have X no more M F X just X for everyone.

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Because I have never had a little bit of homosexual in me.

Not a deliberate innuendo, but it amused me.

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There can differences between sex and gender.

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This is what happens when a group of experts try to compare apples and oranges.

Spherical fruits of a similar size packed full of vitamins.

News flash - males and females are different.

No one is claiming they aren't. The study is trying to factually measure the differences, compare different countries and present some hypotheses to explain the difference.

The only people being bias are the one's doing the surveys.

If you mean by presenting an idea to explain the measured differences, absolutely. Do you have a different explanation as to why the differences exist in different countries?

Lets not ruin Japanese traditional family values by comparing Japan to the USA.

So you accept that gender is just as much a social phenomenon as one driven by sex.

Its a well known fact males mature slower than females and nature makes it so .

"Facts" - almost like someone has been observing and measuring them. Almost like science.

This whole gender whackadoodle nonsense has gotten beyond putrid

And yet we see that different countries have different attitudes to the sexes / gender. No one is claiming it doesn't exist, but in some places it might be putrid, such as where it stops people fulfilling their ambitions by forcing them down certain paths on the grounds of their chromosomes.

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Quite a lot of rationalizing of which seems mostly to be based on a poor understanding or complete lack of understanding of the nuances of the word 'bias'. A 'bias' is simply some fragment of an individual's perceptual REALITY. For Humans, there are ~8 billion different Human 'realities' depending on the distribution and broadness of 'biases' accumulated by that individual in their developmental milieu and subsequent experience interacting with all of the other biases that constitute collective Human perceptual 'reality'. Cultures are just distributions of particular 'biases' much as 'races' are distributions of particular alleles. And a word that probably confuses more people than 'bias' is 'reality'. One of the most pernicious biases that a Human can contain is that what they perceive MUST BE 'reality'. There will be 7,999,999,999 other Humans who will find some 'reason' (a bias) to disagree with some part of the totality of that individual's perceived 'reality'.

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Quite a lot of rationalizing of which seems mostly to be based on a poor understanding or complete lack of understanding of the nuances of the word 'bias'.

Maybe a result of a strong bias itself

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Spherical fruits of similar size

Wrong and incorrect.

Apples and oranges aren't all of similar size .

Enough said- as the rest of the comment is also whacko

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AntiquesavingOct. 31  04:56 pm JS

> Suddenly they and the heterosexuals are being told there are no genders and everything is fluid which contradicts the decades of "we can't be changed" by the L and G.

So if we listen to the so-called experts on these subjects we should disband and dissolve the LGBTQ..... because no such thing exists only fluidity of genders based on today's feelings and tomorrow may be different.

who said LGBTQ don’t exist? It seems that socially since they are Starting to get the same rights In society as other groups some people new a new group to be scared of. 20 years ago it were the gay group and now it’s another group. And maybe your attitude and belief is exactly what social and psychological sciences would like to study. The people you mention have always existed. And to make a medical point(before genetics) some people were born with both sexes in their bodies.

BungleOct. 31  03:58 pm

Are you saying there is a little bit of homosexual in all of us?

Because I have never had a little bit of homosexual in me.

If you read the research, and there has been lot about straight men, rough tough straight men in prisons. As you can see, the men, ( not all) are in an all male environment. I guess maybe after 30 odd years (or less) some men may( or women if a female prison, may form a relationship. And when they are released from prison have a different choice. But also what kind of relationships form. So we’re they born that way, are they holding some deep dark social to all workin themselves or is partly the social environment they are in, or is a need within all humans for something else? It maybe uncomfortable reading but that’s what the research has shown. Nobody is saying you are gay or have any inclination. But that’s the social science.

AntiquesavingOct. 31  02:39 pm JST

Abe234

Today 01:50 pm JST

I like how people that haven't been the ones "treated" know more,

I’m very very sorry but that is an assumption, how do you know if I myself haven’t been diagnosed with dyslexia? Btw there is also spectrum of people with dyslexia and ADHD.it’s not black and white, because some people function perfectly well in society, You also assume only your experience is valid and others isn’t. Maybe my friends have kids with ADHD. Maybe my child has ADHD, Dyslexia .

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wallaceOct. 31  02:08 pm

40 years ago dyslexia was almost unheard of especially in education. Today, people can have training to help overcome it or deal with it. It is also a DNA thing. Today, people with dyslexia go to universities.

I have a younger brother with severe dyslexia who didn’t even speak for the first five years of his life. At times I have to decipher his emails to understand them. Today he is a successful gas engineer earning good money.

Thats awesome. So glad. Your spot on Dyslexia wasn’t known about so much in the public although I was known for along time. Thankfully we, have trained teachers to help you kids. Sadly some slip through the net, as stigmatized or labeled as , difficult, slow etc etc. but if nobody ever did the research to try and understand how the environment and how teacher training can help, we’d still be stuck with kids getting caned and labeled. So many do go on in life. And sadly some do not. I think Japan today has an article on adhd. not everyone is an awesome artist,…….although that really is a matter of “opinion”

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Let's rewrite that title:

"Japanese kids understand the differences between the sexes at young age"

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The cancel culture don’t like statically proven wrong.

These Japanese cultures traditions help prevent gender bias and the sole reason why Japan gender bias is the lower of other countries. So it bring great joy for me when I see these cultural norms in action knowing what it help with no gender bias.

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The research team was surprised to discover that Japanese children start associating "brilliance" as a male trait later than children in the United States, ranked 27th in the World Economic Forum report. Outside studies show that most American children start doing so when they are 6 years old, it said.

(Average) intelligence may be another thing, but I honestly cannot see how you can avoid the ascription of "brilliance" to males. If you start teaching the kids about the "great men" of history ... for one reason or another they are predominantly male. You can hardly stop teaching the kids about the great people of your history (or world history).

If I understand the current state of the art right, males are supposed to have a wider spread of intellligence than females, so there are also more male dummies, but that still doesn't solve this problem.

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Are you saying there is a little bit of homosexual in all of us?

Because I have never had a little bit of homosexual in me.

Maybe if you didn't squirm so much a bit of homosexual could get in.

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relax people. humans are still new to all this. another few thousand years and we will start progressing. don't force it, it cannot be hurried.

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