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Japan's navy drill in South China Sea may lead to larger role

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A good chance to practice operating the PC3 Orion before the transfer. You call it transfer of skills and tech at the same time. The equipment to follow later. It just goes to show you how far the security situation has changed in the SCS.

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As far as I am concerned it is fine if Japan wants to get caught up in conflicts, just legitimately change the constitution first, otherwise it, as well as peace, will be the victim. Then don't keep spouting "world peace" as some kind of magic spell or mantra on the international stage.

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"Fighting for peace is like folking (misspelling) for virginity."

Guns and threats don't create peace. They just drive the aggression underground.

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Experts claim that with China's unrelenting takeover of the Spratly Islands region, a large-scale war in the next decade is all but inevitable. And I mean LARGE.

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sighclopsJUN. 24, 2015 - 08:10AM JST Experts claim that with China's unrelenting takeover of the Spratly Islands region, a large-scale war in the next decade is all but inevitable. And I mean LARGE.

< Those "experts" wouldn't happen to be in the pockets of the Military Idustrial Complex?

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BZ (Well Done) Japan in cooperating with the Philippines and others to keep the Freedom of Navigation and Air Space free from bullying by an aggressive China who disregards UNCLOS and the UN legal arbitration over territorial waters claims. The Japanese know this well enough in the Sengkaku Islands dispute with China. It is time to take necessary actions in order to show unity and determination of a united and cohesive defence front by friendly nations of SE & NE Asian Region. Japan, Philippines, US, Australia and others can now closely examine such a Defence arrangement. Once a bullying nation shows it can take advantage like Nazi Germany, and in recent time Russia over its forceful annexation of Crimea, nothing will stop its further aggression. It must be stopped to ensure Peace - real Peace not mere lip service as the Chinese has craftily been alternating its Diplomatic Manoeuvrings and Military Might to suit its purpose as a new super power.

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The Philipines has money to buy this stuff or is it free? Seems the people of the Philipines live much in proverty.... sad they spend money on the non-perishables.

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Pointless and hypocritical. You would need a far far more concrete plan to scare China. Moreover, such "patrols" can also be seen as "bullying" China but other claimants are not asked to stop their own reclamations etc... not to mention the Jp/US/Philippines/Aus "patrols" creating more risks for air/sea navigation and provoking a response from China. And the Japanese public doesn't think it's necessary, esp the presence of U.S. so near China is a key factor for China's posturing. But the most important is that I'm sure China has her own large plans, I mean Large, to defend her areas, which would be unpredictable and may surprise everyone about her will to do so... will Japan and the public have the stomach then to finish what they started to scare China?.. will the Americans have the stomach to risk a lot for these islands claims of her allies? Many doubt that very much/do not think so. I agree with those experts who say you can't stop China (and Obama did say recently that China's may be legitimate), so finding a mechanism to maintain/stabilize (not contain) China's ambitions as a new major superpower is far more realistic, and that's what Obama and Xi are trying to do. Abe's fantasy of confronting China "on her own turf" has zero chance and unrealistic.

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What is China's intention? Does it really intend to use these islands to try to enforce its claim to the whole of the South China Sea? Will it really try to exclude other militaries, including the US from entering these waters and airspace? If so there is going to be trouble and THAT is fact.

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I like these types who claim "China cannot be stopped"

Who da hell is China???

Germany (and Japan) must have thought the same, didn't they?

At their time they were far more advanced than China is now; the only difference is China is nuclear.

However, is China the only nuclear state out there???

China is looking for a huge beating and she's going to get one, if these types of "nobody can stop us" actually begin to act upon this mistaken belief.

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Peeping_TomJUN. 24, 2015 - 01:23PM JST

I like these types who claim "China cannot be stopped"

< Any country can be stopped but at what price? >

Who da hell is China???

< A very large country, with a large population and nuclear weapons. >

However, is China the only nuclear state out there? < Lol >

China is looking for a huge beating and she's going to get one, if these types of "nobody can stop us" actually begin to act upon this mistaken belief.

< Are you going to dish out the beatings yourself or are you the single collective voice so many countries? Maybe you actually believe Japan would be a place worth living, if we got into a nuclear war with China? >

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A very large country, bla bla bla.

Germany had no rival, be it in science or military power.

They thought exactly as "nobody is going to stop us".

Yes, is China the only nuclear state out there?

Lolling only shows you can't answer convincingly a very simple question, meaning that if China attempts to go nuclear, there are more than enough out there to reduce China, (yes that huge China that you seem to admire as invincible), to rubble!

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Tell me who thinks China can be stopped, Obama, Abe, Aquino? Show me if China is being stopped. Nada. Zero. Her "islands" already completed, so why all the moaning now at this late stage? Of course, China isn't the only nation with nuclear bombs and advanced/secret weapons, but if you think the solution is to nuke China, go ahead, I want to see if that simple-minded solution would be the best. Like Germany/Nazis and Imperial Japan??.. stop thinking emotionally, because China is nothing like the Nazis and Japan who mowed down huge foreign land masses and tens of millions of innocents. Do not find China guilty of those kinds of huge accusations when she has not even killed s single foreign innocent nor nation. This kind of talk adds to the double standards that are used against China. Yet USA is guilty of unjust wars/invasions it waged against Iraq (twice) and left the region in ruins while certain American parties benefitted (war machine biz). The fact and point is, it is way too late to moan about China's claims, and this is shown by Obama admitting that China's claims do have some legitimacy. And the other point is that China is far more sophisticated in mind games and thinking out their very long-term plans than Japan, Aquino, Australia and USA. My point is that if you don't have far far more concrete plans to stop China, then she can't be stopped...and do you believe 100% that if she is provoked, USA and Abe/Aquino etc will have the stomach to take away what even Obama has said/admitted are China's legitimate claims? China can't be stopped by anybody, much less by Japan and Aquino, or USA would have done it already. So get used to it, as even USA is now aiming for a different mechanism to keep China happy but also stable (not contained). So, "patrols and surveillance" are not even a drop in a large ocean, and such info already compiled daily by USA. Abe and Aquino are too emotional and probably envious of China's non-stoppable might, but they should think with a clear head if they can have the guts/stomach to finish what they started to scare China, as for sure both the Japanese public and Filipinos, even their SDF and AQuino's army, do not have the stomach for a battle for these islands (and Japan not even party to these claims). Show of force is useless against China.. China doesn't usually give a show of force, but she just does it. That's how unpredictable and unafraid she is esp. when provoked. Are Abe/Japanese people and SDF (or revived military) really, I mean REALLY, ready and have the stomach to battle it out with such a huge and very strong relentless and super rich China whose people were massacred by Japan before and who still have bitter memories?

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Japan's navy drill in South China Sea may lead to larger role

That's certainly what the arms makers - and the PLA - are hoping for.

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ringman2

Of course you are correct.

China is just unstoppable and invincible.

They can do whatever they like and the whole world will do nothing because China is so powerful.

"Super-rich China" (per capita of a MASSIVE $3,583.38) is the word's envy, and will ensure that China will never be defeated!

That's why everyone is scrambling to immigrate to that invincible and super rich country.

Actually, they could simply take over the world, any protests would be pointless given China is so powerful, every other nations are too scared and powerless to stop that juggernaut.

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@peeping Tom: you are being emotional. Yes, that sure is a real possibility, China will be the richest in the world despite the numbers you quote... but how did you conclude China will take over the world? Even now China doesn't get involved in wars and doesn't lecture the world, but USA etc are at the forefront of sanctions and military interventions as the police of the world. So what if China is so dominantly rich? So what do you propose? Use America's number one military might, with Abe etc., to carpet bomb/nuke China because of these islands and because they are rich and won't be stopped, or based on your fantasy that China is like the Nazis/Imperial Japanese army that committed atrocities? You are being emotional and using double standards and not realistic in your finding reasons to blame China. Even Japan's claims to Senkaku/Diayou and Northern Territories and Takeshima are not clear-cut either, and Aquino's noise about its claims and then calling China "Nazis" deserve even less attention. Yet China fulfills its ambitions quietly having planned everything well in advanced. To scare China, you must be even more sophisticated, but as you can see, Obama, and worse, Abe, Abbott and Aquino have been ill-prepared.. Very ill-prepared. For all the big talk about how USA is pure and the most powerful to teach China a lesson (when USA itself has waged unjust wars), well, where/how is China being stopped? The island reclamation projects by China are completed, and Obama admitted China's claims have legitimacy (dealing a huge blow to Aquino and Abe). So instead of moaning like a baby like Aquino, get used to the fact that it won't only be the USA as a superpower, and China can't be stopped. Even if you find that disagreeable, you can follow expert comments who share the same view. That is why Obama and Xi and even the EU are trying to find a mechanism to not contain/stop China, but to stabilize the bigger picture. Now that's far more realistic and makes more sense. Abe and Aquino's fantasy to use "joint patrols/surveillance" to force or scare China into stopping her islands claims is just... well, you get the picture... not to mention they may be responsible if provoking China will pose risks to air/sea navigation. Even Japan can't stop China patrolling the Diayou/Senkaku islands. You seem to be emotional and throw in unfair and baseless counter-arguments (China is like the Nazis and Imperial Japanese army??, was that pulled out of a magician's hat?) to hate China.. well good luck, as the facts show even USA hasn't been able to even try to stop China.

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Peeping_TomJUN. 24, 2015 - 02:15PM JST

A very large country, bla bla bla. < Wow, how articulate! >

Germany had no rival, be it in science or military power.

They thought exactly as "nobody is going to stop us".

< Are you really comparing China to Nazi Germany? Lol. >

Yes, is China the only nuclear state out there?

< Who said that besides you? >

Lolling only shows you can't answer convincingly a very simple question, meaning that if China attempts to go nuclear, there are more than enough out there to reduce China,

< Your Question was: " However, is China the only nuclear state out there??? < Now you've change your question to a " what if" scenario, and it's still causing me to laugh. >

(yes that huge China that you seem to admire as invincible), to rubble!

< Invincible? You have quite an imagination, I said "ANY COUNTRY CAN BE STOPPED, BUT AT WHAT PRICE? As for my admiration of China, that would only relate to some of its natural beauty and many of its average citizens, NOT the government or military! >

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Could someone kindly tell me? What is the legal base of this drill?

Collective self defense right is just cabinet decision by unconstitutional reinterpretation of the constitution with no passage at Diet. Security bill is still on the table. Japan-US Mutual Defense Guideline was revised at the end of April based on Japan's collective self defense, which I repeat is just cabinet decision made July 1, 2014.

I am really confused.

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"Your Question was: " However, is China the only nuclear state out there??? < Now you've change your question to a " what if" scenario, and it's still causing me to laugh."

That only showcased your difficulty in reading in between the lines, unless given it on a plate!

Germany is only to tell you that a much more powerful state has tried what China thinks it can do without consequences.

How articulate of you, with all this lolling!

China is nuclear, China is extremely vulnerable economically! Not that bothers me one iota though.

Militarily, let's not even talk about it. Why do you think they don't take Taiwan?

And because the costs will be huge, you think they have carte blanche to do absolutely as they please?

Yeah, they're unstoppable.

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Peeping_TomJUN. 24, 2015 - 10:26PM JST

That only showcased your difficulty in reading in between the lines, unless given it on a plate!

< It only showcases your inability to clearly write what you want to say, while expecting others to understand the inner workings of your mind. >

Germany is only to tell you that a much more powerful state has tried what China thinks it can do without consequences.

< So tell us what China is "trying" to do, that's similar to Nazi Germany actions? >

How articulate of you, with all this lolling!

< You really are funny! Between your comparisons, what if, scenario's and fear mongering, it's quite comical to read. Rather than responding to what I wrote, you cherry picked it, avoided it, and my favorite, bla bla bla. >

China is nuclear, China is extremely vulnerable economically! Not that bothers me one iota though.

Militarily, let's not even talk about it. Why do you think they don't take Taiwan?

< Maybe because they are not as ready to start a war, as you are? Please show us how China would take Taiwan, if they just weren't so economically vulnerable? >

And because the costs will be huge, you think they have carte blanche to do absolutely as they please?

< Where did I make that comment or anything like it? Oh that's right, it's just in your head, I didn't say anything close to that. >

Yeah, they're unstoppable.

< I thought writing in all caps would help you read better, I was wrong. I made no comment of being unstoppable, though I stated the opposite. >

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The drill coincides with rising American criticism of China for reclaiming land and building structures on disputed islands and outcroppings in the South China Sea.

Uncomfortable truth is building infrastructure projects of China has been almost completed while America has been keep criticizing. When the project has completed, What will American or Japan can do about that? Will they use force for destroying? It will be unlikely.

The U.S. is looking for help from Japan, Australia and other allies as it confronts Chinese challenges to its naval dominance in the Pacific

As far as there are freedom of navigation, no other nations want to accelerate the tension with China. China has only one air craft carrier. Naval dominance in the pacific region will be science fiction or myth. Protest will not change the reality.

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@Peeping_Tom

"How articulate of you, with all this lolling!" You sound as if you were from a country with no legal system. Oh, are you?

"That only showcased your difficulty in reading in between the lines, unless given it on a plate!" Really?

OK, I will test you.

1)The US has more than 50% of active satellites in the world but somehow their satellites had been sleeping for almost 18 months to suddenly wake up and find the reclamation, which was near completion. This question is not asking for your ability to read between lines but your deductive capability. Why did they wake up at the final phase of the reclamation?

2) Vietnam has 29 reclamation cases and Philippines 8 so far. Reclamation itself is not a problem, Right? Then what is the problem? Don' t say "the size" because it will make me burst into laughing.

I am sure you know the law of action and reaction.

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Hideo

1) I deal with laws daily, perhaps more than you'll ever do!

2) Reclamation "per se" is not illegal (internationally at least), providing you are doing it WITHIN your internationally accepted and RECOGNISED boundaries.

3) NOBODY but China itself recognizes the SCS as Chinese territory.

4) Same argument applies to Viet and Phil island reclamation, if they do exist.

5) tHAT THE SATELITES WERE "SLEEPING" has got no legal relevance here. The US does not apportion sovereign rights to maritime disputes, International Law does!

6) Change your name, do not pretend to be Japanese.

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