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Yubaru
What no public press conference? These producers are all more than happy to put their "product" out there for the world to see but are too ashamed of the business they are in to show their own faces. Hypocrites.
nath
Anyone could see this coming.
MarkG
A discussing industry. Shame on them.....again!
nath
Good on them for addressing this issue, rather than trying to push it under the rug.
zurcronium
Recently the scouts, pimps really, have been absent in Kyobashi where they usually hang out daily harassing woman as they pass by. Maybe this suit is the reason why. And we all know this is a Yak driven business, the Yaks pay off the police to allow the scouts to loiter in train stations and entrap women. It is a very sad statement on the low value men in Japan, those in power it seems, have of Japanese women.
Tim_Fox
Asking producers to comply. That's it. No inspection or oversight or reports required to ensure changes have been made. Lazy, shameful, non-action.
sensei258
I might believe it were a few videos over a short period,
"I don't want to do this"..."You're gonna have to pay if you don't" ...Ready Action! This went on for years? At some point she should have said "F this, I'm outa here"
ShinCebu
in the first place, I dont understand why there is this porn industry. why allow it?
nath
Because sex is something pretty much every human being does on the planet, and a whole lot enjoy watching.
Wc626
Perhaps if these women wore "high heels" they'd have more confidence and just say "NO." But hey, its that whole subservient thing ingrained into the culture.
It wouldn't be so tarnished, but it is. They used to feature minors in J-porn recently remember. Its banned now.
Secondly, for a tiny country, Japan certainly has an giant porn industry. Rank #2 in the world, I think. Plus the enormous domestic demand.
Scrote
That's the first time I've heard grot movies described as "Intellectual Property". I'm surprised the companies aren't suing each other for breaches of copyright since their films are all much the same.
CloudV
If the illegal producers followed the rules, they wouldn't be illegal now would they?
Danny Bloom
Its not really a porn industry. The correct euphemism in English websites has been "ejaculation industry." Its not and never has been about "watching" porn but rather ejaculating while watching the bids. Call it what it is!
Danny Bloom
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smithinjapan
As long as there is no punishment nothing real will be done, and an apology has no meaning.
CH3CHO
Very weird news. I wonder if this is a make-up by the activist group.
Here is the link to their Home page. http://www.ippa.jp/index2/
They say that the purpose of the organization is to enforce copy right law of visual contents. They are mainly suing Chinese for copy right violations. It seems they have tens of lawsuits going on. The chairman of the organization is an employee of Tutaya, video rental chain. The organization is a typical amakudari organization, where ex-policemen work at a ridiculously high wages that come from rental chins in the name of assisting law enforcement. If a rental chain does not pay their dues, the organization does not protect them, or even sues them. It is more of a side business of police than an organization that represents adult video industry. I do not think their apology is relevant. No Japanese media is yet to report this news probably because it is not news-worthy.
There are Japanese tabloid reports that the "victim" is Fujiwara Hitomi who stared in more than 400 porn videos and that other porn stars who worked with her say they cannot believe she was coerced. Google her name and you can see her work. I cannot believe she was coerced, either.
Yubaru
With the exception of here in Japan. Declining birth rates, sexless marriages, no desire for the opposite sex. Probably watching it because there are less headaches involved than doing the real thing.
TheGodfather
Yes. You can see the "talent scouts" out every day on the streets and in the train stations. Hassling the young girls and just looking for someone who has had a bad day at school.
Shame on Japan!!
nath
Interesting - I've never seen any girl ejaculate after watching porn. Are you sure you have your details right?
Oh there is still a lot of sex going on. I think it's just not with ones spouse. Hence the booming love hotel industry.
iamme
Considering the industry apologized, it sounds like they know of the wrong doings. Otherwise, they'd keep denying
Peter Qinghai
The more things change, the more they remain the same...
Wc626
Yeah, the vulture-lolicons scouts are out n' full force everyday in places like Harajuku. I even saw them convince a minor into a side street alley to snap a few face / body shots with his smartphone. Then he gave her his card. I was like "no way!"
Yubaru
Booming? Love hotels have been around here for many a generation, and many of the places look like it too.,
nath
Exactly. And they're going away no time soon.
dcog9065
This was always going to happen. Abuse like this happens in any unregulated industry that sits in a grey zone. The government is entirely to blame for not protecting porn actors/actresses. It is probably wise to unionize the porn industry
wtfjapan
in the first place, I don't understand why there is this porn industry. why allow it? that's fine if your celibate and have no sexual interests, but the majority I would safely say do have an interest or sexual urges.
goldorak
Not surprising. I would say the vast majority of people, men and women, who work in the porn industry for some time end up mentally and emotionally messed up, abuses or not. The suicide rate in the porn industry is pretty high.
rainyday
Cant tell if this is meant to be sarcastic. Isnt a hollow apology accompanied by absolutely zero promises to do anything concrete to deal with a problem the very definition of sweeping something under the rug?
nath
No, it's an admittance that there is a problem. Recognizing it is the first step. Time will tell how serious they are, but they have made that first step, which is the most difficult one psychologically. They deserve recognition for that, which is what I've given them. Next we'll see what they actually do about it.
rainyday
Seriously? You think they deserve praise for this? Im a bit more reserved for the following reasons: 1) I find it hard to believe that this group of industry insiders wasnt aware that this sort of stuff was going down all along. Issuing an apology only after the media have picked up the story and continuing to turn a blind eye to it has become impossible is literally the least they could do. Its not something they should be given credit for. 2) Psychological analysis is only useful with regard to individual humans, this is an industry organization which like all organizations has a different, collective, decision making process that make such analysis useless since it works in a different way. Also, again, recognizing that a problem exists only after continued denial has been made impossible entirely by actors outside the organization (and likely in defiance of the wishes of members of said organization) is by no means a reason to give said organization praise for doing so. 3) As I implied in my earlier message, an apology that lacks any promises to remedy a problem is meaningless. That is what this is.
Wc626
Yeah. The paper-thin walls and flimsy wooden boxes, people call their "house" here, are a joke. They can't have hard core, noisy, pounding sex. . . so its off to the love hotels.
Penske Nievko
Looks like they got a real mess on their hands. How they didn't see this coming is beyond me. Seems they don't have a firm grip on the situation.
nath
Well, recognition.
Anyways, I respect your comments on this. But for myself, I still prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to any person or organization who openly recognizes an issue. The praise will be withheld until they actually do something about it.
badsey3
If it was a true apology and they were honorable they would pull these films where people were coerced or forced into pornographic filming.
sumobody
Wc626JUN. 24, 2016 - 09:21AM JST .... But hey, its that whole subservient thing ingrained into the culture.
This is the gist of it! Coercing people to do things against their will is the bread and butter of this society where everyone has to know where "their place" is in society and behave accordingly. A feudalistic society wrapped in high tech shite.
What I don't understand is where are the parents of these girls? Weren't they ever taught to be aware of those disgusting pigs scouting them? If your 20 something daughter comes home saying she just signed a contract with a modeling agency would you go over it and wouldn't you go down to check out the outfit?
Everyone knows a lot of those places are just fronts for the porn industry. The Japanese love not to know.
bullfighter
The people who live in those "flimsy wooden boxes" in my neighborhood are mostly in the age bracket where sex is only a distant memory. Younger people live in rather more sturdy concrete buildings.
nath
"suspicion of violating the country’s labour laws" ? How about kidnapping, extortion, first degree sexual battery, rape. Violating labor laws may fall under the civil code and not even be a criminal offense.
nath
By "coercion " we do mean "RAPE"!
Serrano
"Japan’s multi-billion-dollar pornographic industry"
What the heck is wrong with some people?
gogogo
Who are they saying sorry to? Sorry this topic came up? Who's saying sorry anyone? Some porn industry heads?
CH3CHO
gogogoJUN. 24, 2016 - 02:42PM JST
This case is like someone is arrested and his next door neighbor shows up and say "I am sorry he was arrested."
1 The Intellectual Property Promotion Association (IPPA) http://www.ippa.jp/index2/ is not an industry group. It is an organization to enforce copy right law of visual contents. It represents a video maker in a court when it sues illegally copied video, but nothing more. It is in no position to lead video makers.
2 Here is the statement by IPPA. http://www.ippa.jp/pdf/IPPA20160622.pdf
IPPA does not recognize any wrong doing. I do not know how the activist group took this as an apology.
I think one of the problem is the language. An activist group sends a cooked and translated report of something to news agency, which copy paste it into an article without checking the original. So, we have some weird report.
Wallaroo
It gets darker when you add children into the picture. The required exposure may be less till these “young idles” reach their legal ages but, once they do, there seems to be a system which “persuades” them into porn industry. I think it’s deep-rooted in Japanese history and, whatsoever some politicians may imagine, from where I stand, it’s not a beautiful part of it (http://oldphotosjapan.com/ja/photos/?c=prostitution).
As usual, poverty plays a significant role in this picture, which makes the reality is not limited in Japan, though (http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/university-fees-in-britain-doubles-prostitution/). We hear stories in our daily lives but, if they are not investigated with some financial supports, they will remain as “myths” in this modern society where solid data is everything. Then again, who support such researches?
Thunderbird2
If they are performing sex acts against their will isn't that rape?
YeahRight
I don't understand why the victim didn't consult a lawyer, or the police, at the first threat of being told she would face severe penalties. Seems this could have been dealt with much earlier.
lostrune2
Heh the girls know what's going down - they just don't want to admit it
TheGodfather
"I don't understand why the victim didn't consult a lawyer, or the police, at the first threat of being told she would face severe penalties"
Because the "severe penalties" are in the wording of the contract but the reality is that, like the idol who left to become a singer-songwriter, THEY WILL KILL YOU if you don't do what the say. And they will not let the girl leave the set unless she agrees, and more importantly, it's all on camera so they can BLACKMAIL the poor girl if she walks away.
The girl just has to hope that no-one sees the film and recognizes her. There is a reason they all look the same!!
CH3CHO
TheGodfatherJUN. 24, 2016 - 08:50PM JST
Or, as other porn stars who worked with the "victim" said in Japanese tabloid press, she was not coerced. She starred as many as 400 porno videos without anyone noticing she was "coerced". The "victim" is said to be Fujiwara Hitomi. By googling her name, you can get numerous cheerful, hot, inviting nude images which make one hard to believe coercion.
nath
If it was actually her.
Nippori Nick
I seem to recall the earlier articles where many posters here claimed a woman could not be coerced into this industry.
Now it seems even the industry says yes, it happens.
Bernd Laurent
That doesn't prove anything. Actors are paid or in this case possibly forced to act. Have you never smiled when you felt like crying?
nath
I seem to recall that no one said such a thing. You are remembering what you think people said, not what was actually said.
TheGodfather
"Have you never smiled when you felt like crying?"
But more importantly, it is the FIRST FEW FILMS that show the reality of the forced participation. Video clips of those are freely available to anyone wanting to do their own, err, "research" as I just did.
shallots
I remember reading an article a few years back on the dude who's known for being the most in-demand male actor. He said something like, the industry destroys the girls and he cannot have normal intimate relationships either. But that's obvious. And he does it anyway, of course.
Yubaru
What do you think you are reading when you look at an article here? They are self-translated and worded to extract emotional, divisive, and Japan-bashing responses.
thetoleratedone
I was shocked to see the extent of the porn industry in Japan. It seems every second women between 18-28 is involved in it and mostly girl next door types. It would be shocking to think they do the things they do willingly and even more shocking to think they are forced to do them. Prostitution is illegal of course. Lol.
nath
About 6000 women a year do porn in Japan (most only a single video). Your numbers would mean there are only about 12,000 women between 18-28 in Japan.
TheGodfather
"every second woman... is involved... mostly girl next door types"
The conservative estimate from the industry itself is is ONE in TWO-HUNDRED...
http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2011/12/27/av-producer-one-in-200-japanese-women-performed-in-porn/
Citizen2012
In Japan, punishment are for private citizen and not for corporations. A quick look at the crime section is speaking volumes.
nath
SO the lesson here is that if someone apologizes for "rape"... I mean "coercion", that makes everything OK?
CH3CHO
Erin Loydi BrummetteJUN. 26, 2016 - 04:17PM JST
Who apologized? Check the original statement by IPPA. They deny any wrong doing.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/japans-porn-industry-apologises-over-coercion-claims#comment_2222092