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Again another accidents, either involving Japanese airport or Japanese airline companies. This year we had Haneda collision, then yesterday in Chicago. Now this one? What next?

https://japantoday.com/category/national/ground-collision-of-two-boeing-planes-in-chicago-sparks-faa-investigation

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The overreaction here is stunning…a tractor slipped in the snow, people. It had nothing to do with the piot or traffic control. This is a bump at a walking pace, it happens often. They inspect the planes afterwards, so don’t they take them out if service. People here apparently would shut down all air traffic.

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@paul

So all the previous years you didn't mind to fly but now you are worried. That does not make sense.

Walking on the street has more risk.

I am using domestic flights every month 6 times or more.

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It must be very slippery airport during winter. There are lots of snow on frozen runways and taxiways.

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It must be very slippery airport during winter. There are lots of snow on frozen runways and taxiways.

Agreed. Wonder if they change tires during winter season.

P.S. A pic would have been nice with this article.

S

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From Tom Arnold’s character in “True Lies,”

It’s called ice and it gets a little slick.

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Must be lack of training on some level. Very concerning.

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In this case, Korean Air was not at fault because the pushback tractor slipped and pushed the Korean Air jet into the Cathay Pacific jet parked in next gate. It's in the article. It's Japanese ground crew's fault, but it was an accident.

came in contact with the Cathay aircraft “during a pushback” when a third-party “ground handler vehicle slipped due to heavy snow.

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Who cares? A wing bumped into a tail going 4MPH on the tarmac? No life safety issue whatsoever, hardly newsworthy. Deplane everyone, call up a reserve aircraft, send everyone on their way. Inspect the two aircraft and make the necessary repairs.

It's not like these things happen and then they take off anyway to see if they can make it...

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Korean Air plane bumps parked Cathay Pacific

used both airlines and found their service to be atrocious. Especially Cathay. I avoid both like the Plague.

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Wonder if they change tires during winter season.

They will change tires every season. That is a regulation. Towing tractor driver must be a new face. Probably he doesn't have much experience about frozen airport.

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These JT articles recently shout we Japan are not the only ones who screw up in air traffic control.

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Who cares? A wing bumped into a tail going 4MPH on the tarmac? No life safety issue whatsoever, hardly newsworthy.

Damaged wingtip isn't a safety problem? Plane is hard down until the wingtip is repaired and an A&P signs off on the repair.

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Cathay Pacific fly to Sapporo?! Huh?!

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@David Brent: Yep- they do in the winter. Suspended during the Pandemic but did fly in previous years. Lucrative route for the ski season. SQ and TG do also.

Way too much over reaction here - if there hadn't been the Haneda crash, and the 737 Max problems its unlikely that this or the Chicago nudge would have even been reported in the press.

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BibToday 07:10 am JST

The overreaction here is stunning…a tractor slipped in the snow, people. It had nothing to do with the piot or traffic control. This is a bump at a walking pace, it happens often. They inspect the planes afterwards, so don’t they take them out if service. People here apparently would shut down all air traffic.

While I agree 100 percent about the overreaction, I do also think if these past few incidents had happened in certain other places like the U.S. or a poorer country, lots of posters would have been all over it and touting how things like this never happen in Japan blah blah blah. One more thing, it had nothing to do with the manufacturer either so let's hope people leave them out of it.

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Why would the runways have snow and plane is being moved for take off? It doesn’t make much sense. It’s the airport’s fault. Runways need to be maintained better.

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@Aly Rustom - In all fairness mate - if you only fly Economy then its very tough to judge airlines these days. I've always found Cathay to be quite excellent.

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@Desert Tortoise, the A330 can be dispatched with a missing winglet per CDL, with a small fuel burn penalty.

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The incident happened only two weeks after a collision between a Japan Airlines airliner and a coast guard plane on a runway at Tokyo's Haneda Airport which caused the passenger plane to catch fire.

And only a day after

ANA plane taxiing for departure clips Delta aircraft at Chicago airport

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Are these bumps happening more often or just being reported more often?

My guess is the latter.

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These minor accidents happen at all airports. They just don’t make the news in most countries. People freaking out over nothing.

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@Aly Rustom - In all fairness mate - if you only fly Economy then its very tough to judge airlines these days. I've always found Cathay to be quite excellent.

Fair enough mate. To each his own. I have vowed never to use them again though.

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P.S. A pic would have been nice with this article.

@ Spidey - There are pics on the Sam Chui website about aviation.

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@ Spidey - There are pics on the Sam Chui website about aviation.

Thanks.

Finding a pic is not the issue. Plenty to be seen. Just felt that the article is incomplete without one.

S

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What was it you found so bad?

just the staff and how they treated me.

Both Koreas and Cathay are often voted among the top 10 in the world for service so you might have just been unlucky in the flights that you had

that's possible. I wouild maybe consider korean air once more if i had an option but never Cathay.

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"Transportation officials are also still investigating the cause of the fatal Haneda Airport collision, focusing on the communication between air traffic controllers and the two planes."

Meaning simply they are trying to figure out how to spin it. They have all the info, the recordings, and testimony of air-traffic control and the pilots. What else do they need to investigate?

In any case, this sounds 100% like an accident due to snow. If anything, they should not have been operating, or at least the ground crew should have prepared the ground better so as not to slip.

Aly Rustom: "used both airlines and found their service to be atrocious. Especially Cathay. I avoid both like the Plague."

Both are very high quality, ESPECIALLY Cathay, often ranked #1 or close to it in the world. You just got unlucky, I'm quite sure. Worst service I've experienced was with Air Canada, on multiple occasions. Safe enough, but a LOT of cancellations when no other flights were canceled (blamed it on weather but every other company seemed okay -- it was like a JR train!), crew asking me to change seats for a child then me going back (to get something from overhead) to find my seat was being occupied by a young woman who wanted to sit next to her boyfriend (whom I was originally beside). In-flight movies not working at all (back before smartphones, tablets, and what not), forgetting to keep the meals heated, losing luggage, and messing up at check-in even. Not TERRIBLE stuff, but annoying for long flights. Most Asian airlines I've flown have been absolutely excellent, save some domestic flights in China and Vietnam.

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"Transportation officials are also still investigating the cause of the fatal Haneda Airport collision, focusing on the communication between air traffic controllers and the two planes."

Meaning simply they are trying to figure out how to spin it. They have all the info, the recordings, and testimony of air-traffic control and the pilots. What else do they need to investigate?

Fatal aviation mishaps typically take months, maybe even a year or more to fully investigate. The wreckage has to be very carefully documented including measurements of locations of all parts of the wreckage so the mishap scene can be reconstructed. The investigators are going to look at the hours worked by all crew members, their work histories, medical records, etc to see see if fatigue or being distracted by events outside of work many have affected the judgement of the crew. Keep in mind both sets of pilots share some of the responsibility for this mishap. The investigators are going to want to know why the ANA crew did not see the JCG aircraft and execute a missed approach. They will look hard at the lighting on the runway threshold, the lighting on the JCG aircraft. Were all the required lights on? Believe it or not that charred wreckage still has a lot of stories to tell. When I was a detachment safety officer I remember our mishap investigation handbook had 13 pages just on light bulb analysis, how to tell if different kinds of bulbs were on or off even if they are burned to a seeming crisp. Even if ATC gave both crews correct radio calls there remains the question why the JCG crew entered the runway after acknowledging a hold short instruction and why did the ANA crew land on top of it. The "see and avoide" doctrine argues that both crews should have seen the other airplane and took measures to avoid a collision. Figuring this out and documenting your results doesn't happen over night. Often facts are discovered during investigations of mishaps like this that change aviation training and regulations.

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> How did they treat you?

On the flight report website, Cathay Pacific is rated 8.4, JAL 8.1, ANA 8.0. Korean 8.0.

It's one of the most highly regarded services in the world. What did they do to you man?! lol

Mate that's a long story over a beer maybe- feel free to contact me on Facebook if you'd like to get the whole story.

Both are very high quality, ESPECIALLY Cathay, often ranked #1 or close to it in the world. You just got unlucky, I'm quite sure.

Maybe. I just refuse to use them again.

Worst service I've experienced was with Air Canada, on multiple occasions. 

Yeah. I've heard horror stories about them.

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