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if you have to hide your identity to do something, it probably is not good

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I am on the fence on the subsidy issue for these Korean schools. I understand the historical significance of paying them subsidies for the students that attend, yet I know too that other "private" religious based schools here in Japan, do not get anything and the parents have to foot the entire cost of tuition.

To be fair, then the Japanese children who attend these schools should also be afforded the same subsidies, but they are not.

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300,000 yen each does not seem a large sum they are demanding in compensation.

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So let me get this straight. People who's ancestors hind ends were handed to them during the great war, are whining about the treatment of individuals they literally kidnapped before and during that war. The Asian countries that were ravaged by japan must start asking for reparations asap. Maybe this will teach the racist hoards a lesson or two. Not holding my breath tho.

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The headline isn't exactly accurate, these people are mostly anti-North Korean associated schools. These are schools that support the NK regime, a regime that preaches hatred and destruction of Japan among other things. I don't agree with hatred against Koreans per se, of course, but I don't exactly sympathize with any pro North Korean regime organization or schools.

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Nothing wrong with having connections with your origins. Do the schools support the Kims? Do they subscribe to Juche?

I hope they win zillions.

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300,000 x 960 = 288,000,000 yen. I hope the two lawyers win just to keep these 'right-wing internet activists', who discriminate against Koreans and Japanese-Koreans, a bit quieter.

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

Lawyer fees are basic fees plus 8-20% of the final settled amounts.

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

Man, I hope they win. Two kinds of people i hate, internet trolls and right-wing activists. Tho in recent years I've realized that left-wing activists are just as bad.

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Was not paying close attention but I think the report I saw on TV yesterday said the settlement option the lawyers are offering involved an apology and payment of ¥50,000 per person.

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Good, although i think 3M each would hurt more.

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It will be extremely regrettable if the lawyers win. In Japan there exist “Freedom of Speech” so the concerned citizens on the ‘net are entitled to their opinions. They only want Japan to be strong and Unified. Having minority groups set up public funded schools makes people feel uneasy.

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Ganbare Japan!Today  09:34 am JST

In Japan there exist “Freedom of Speech” so the concerned citizens on the ‘net are entitled to their opinions.

Inciting people to harass another person and being an accessory to that harassment by assisting with private information, in a blog titled to suggest a violent threat, is not an opinion and is not protected speech in Japan or any other country that I know of. This result has nothing to do with freedom of speech. You still have the right to say you disagree with Chongryon schools. What you don't have the right to do is gather an online lynch mob, inflame their anger about Chongryon schools, and then try to intimidate anyone associated with Chongryon with the vague implication that something ought to be done about them and handing out their names.

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I hate those netouyo/ uyoku (literally net rightists) I endlessly discussed, losing my time with a no life xenophobic abuser. It's good timing to sue them, one by one.

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In 2010, the Japanese government launched a policy that made high school tuition basically free, including at ethnic schools.

In designing the policy, the government purposely excluded a dozen Korean schools due to their alleged links to the pro-Pyongyang General Association of Korean Residents in Japan, known as Chongryon.

The second sentence is not exactly true. They are excluded because they are not high schools and that is because their curriculum does not satisfy high school education standards.

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I was told that until 1988 Korean-descended Japanese had to carry IDs showing that their ethnicity was Korean. Isn't it time to quit the hate-spreading? The illegal government of my country is ruled by racist hatemongers and nothing is stopping them from establishing a fascist U.S.A. I'm glad Japan's doing something about their fascistic trolls.

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Japan should not sponsor NK schools that adhere to NK policies (destruction of Japan and slavery of their own people etc.)

It is not right wing or racist to protest it peacefully, but threats should not be used.

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starpunkToday  10:40 am JST

I was told that until 1988 Korean-descended Japanese had to carry IDs showing that their ethnicity was Korean.

That was not true, either. Korean nationals had to carry ID's in Japan. Korean-descended Japanese did not need to carry ID's.

Do you know why there are so much misinformation about Koreans in Japan? The same reason as there are so much fake news in the US.

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concerned citizens on the ‘net are entitled to their opinions. They only want Japan to be strong and Unified. Having minority groups set up public funded schools makes people feel uneasy.

And when concerned citizens foment fear and hatred, what then, I wonder. As for Japan, I'm sure it will be "unified" once the US military pack up their bags and go, surely.

There's American, British, Christian Academy and other international schools here. None of which seem to make anyone uneasy.

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CH3CHO: "Do you know why there are so much misinformation about Koreans in Japan? The same reason as there are so much fake news in the US."

Ummm... you do know that what right-wingers call "fake news" is actually, fact, right? and what they believe they have self-labelled "alternative facts" when called out in the blatant lies. But being that you are a 2-channel fanatic and that's where you get your news from, and claim that Nanjing never happened, and sex-slaves were well paid prostitutes and were not at all coerced, it's no surprise you are threatened by the truth and call it false.

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Wish internet trolls could be sued for promoting fake news. There would be a lot less hate in this world. The internet has been a boon for the far right and nationalists.

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SmithinJapan

You think what right winger call fake news is fact???

Wow man you do not know the definition of the word! Im not right btw.

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smithinjapanToday  12:53 pm JST

Ummm... you do know that what right-wingers call "fake news" is actually, fact, right?

Where do you stand? You mean "fake news" is fact, or the other way around?

I understand that fake news is a serious problem in the US. The only defense is to check facts.

Now, I do check facts on the misinformation about Koreans in Japan. Does that bother you? If you disagree to the facts I present, why don’t you bring your evidence, rather than resort to ad hominem?

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Many bar associations in Japan, including the Tokyo Bar Association, have issued statements calling for tuition to be free at the Korean schools in Japan and for them to be subsidized in the same way as other schools.

Why?

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Toasted Heretic: "Nothing wrong with having connections with your origins. Do the schools support the Kims? Do they subscribe to Juche?"

The schools try to do both as I understand it, to provide an international education and love for the fatherland. What I found interesting was a photograph of a North Korean school classroom in Japan showing framed portraits of the first two Kims above the blackboard, ie Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong-il. There was some muted question as to why a photograph of the the present Kim Jong-un is not displayed, but no-one seemed to want to discuss that openly.

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Matt HartwellToday 01:28 pm JST

Why?

Because they want Japan to be a respectable and fair nation? Because they don't see any constitutional or moral reason for Japan to not afford the same rights to all people therein?

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It's pretty basic stuff for those that have a frontal lobe...

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In Japan there exist “Freedom of Speech” so the concerned citizens on the ‘net are entitled to their opinions. They only want Japan to be strong and Unified. Having minority groups set up public funded schools makes people feel uneasy.

The forum's mayor troll has a point here as many commenters here originate from a country where freedom of speech is strongly protected by the First Amendment :)

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There's American, British, Christian Academy and other international schools here. None of which seem to make anyone uneasy.

I've seen extreme right Japanese men and women at Yasukuni Jinja, the symbols of the Imperial army for sale at the Yushukan, their propaganda cars in the streets of Tokyo and these people are definitely not my favourites.

But even in the country of Free Speech public funding of schools hailing the Jihad is not imaginable. And in the UK the excistence of imams preaching hatred is not seen by the public as 'you're free to have a jolly good time' isn't it?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-05/inside-japans-north-korean-school/9119332

https://youtu.be/ZCfYle8f8AE

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How do we support free speech but deal with hate speech. Well, we don't. Free speech except when it breaks the law. Like inciting others to commit crimes against others. Causing panic in a crowd would also be a crime.

Encouraging civil rights violations. Inciting harassment of someone based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or disability. In a way that creates an intimidating or hostile environment.

Slanderous speech that damages an individual's reputation through false accusations. Hate speech protected unless it threatens someone's safety or civil rights. But if it's someone saying offensive things about a group of people is part of free speech.

150,000 North Koreans who enjoy the freedoms and benefits of living in a democratic society. Support the brutal regime of North Korea.

Run their own school system with about 60 of them based on the ideology of the regime. Why should the taxpayer give support to a school system opposing the country of the donors.

The membership of the Chongryon has fallen below 100,000.

I find myself in disagreement to what they stand for.

I have not read or do I intent to read any of the online stuff posted.

"Netto uyoku or Net uyoku (ネット右翼, Japanese internet right-wingers)" The Japanese version of alt-right.

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I commented here once but wait a minute( ! ), it's confusing to see that some people are not agreeable to the lawyers sue the internet rightists, for this issue be against dozen Korean School that have linkage of pro-Pyongyang General Association of Korean Residents in Japan, indoctrinate education and received subsidiaries for many year. And a number of local governments have also canceled or reduced subsidies. Well, at this point I don't agree those 2 lawyers relevant to this issue. On the other hand, net troublemakers were increased in this few years a lot, and a new law will be introduced to punish them, and netouyo people ought to be also included. I really hate their xenophobic language, and should be banned from every link.

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Because they want Japan to be a respectable and fair nation? Because they don't see any constitutional or moral reason for Japan to not afford the same rights to all people therein?

Its Japan. Why would you subsidize Korean schools? Why subsidize any of the international schools? Are they private institutions? Are they teaching the official state curriculum formulated by the Japanese government? A limited pot of money is available and shouldn't the focus be on providing financial support to standard Japanese schools teaching the curriculum and culture. imo.

Like inciting others to commit crimes against others. Causing panic in a crowd would also be a crime.

U.S Supreme Court, from what I've heard, considers there are two limitations to free speech - direct calls for physical violence and as you say, statements causing panic in a public space.

No other country, West or East, offers the level of freedom to express your view as available in the U.S. Its a wonderful and enduring quality of the country and fortunately constitutionally based. Free speech in a lot of Western countries is simply inferred due to tradition, not guaranteed.

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Any Ethnic British Schools Free in Tokyo ?

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@Ganbare Japan!

 In Japan there exist “Freedom of Speech”

Hate speech isn't covered by Freedom of Speech.

You can say "I oppose Abe's policies". You cannot say "Abe must die!".

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Alexandre T Ishii: "Well, at this point I don't agree those 2 lawyers relevant to this issue. "

The lawyers had a campaign waged against THEM because they supported Korean schools. They have every right to sue for damages, and it is 100% relevant to them. In suing the nettuyoku they also bring attention to the latter's hate speech and how they treat ethnic Koreans, which is an added bonus, and also completely relevant. Of COURSE you don't agree with defending such people because of your biases, which is part of what this is about. .

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@Matt Hartwell

Its Japan. Why would you subsidize Korean schools?

Japan subsidies ROK affiliated schools. Granted they are classified as regular Japanese high schools by Japanese government and as regular Korean high schools by Korean government, so they are flush with cash having been subsidized twice, and are able to offer English intensive educations far superior to other "normal" Japanese high schools. So much so that some Japanese students attend them to get better English education.

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@Yubaru ...I know too that other "private" religious based schools here in Japan, do not get anything and the parents have to foot the entire cost of tuition.

Are the students at those private religious based schools great grandchildren of those brought to Japan as slaves while Japan brutally colonized their home countries?

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Stupid harassment from Japanese Racists against anti-hate Lawyers.

They justify Racism under the name of "fairness".

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Are the students at those private religious based schools great grandchildren of those brought to Japan as slaves while Japan brutally colonized their home countries?

Maybe some are, and probably most are not, BUT that shouldn't matter as they ARE Japanese citizens and should be afforded the same subsidies.

Also if you reread my post, I wrote that I understand the historical significance of the subject at hand, however why should they get subsidies, when Japanese citizens themselves do not get the same funding?

The students who go to these Korean schools are sent their by their parents, who DO have the same choices that the parents who send their children to faith based schools have as well. They very well could go to their local Japanese schools, yet choose not to, and they are subsidized for it!

Hence me stating my being on the fence on this issue! I can see it from both sides rather clearly!

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