Medical group probing Aichi woman's death after BA.5 COVID shot

. Given she had preexisting conditions, the city says it is unclear whether her death can be attributed to the vaccine.

So who's to blame?

So who's to blame?

That is exactly what the probe is trying to find. Anaphylactic reactions can be unpredictable, and by chance alone it is possible for people to develop acute problems after the vaccine without having any relationship with it, but in this case the response to the emergency is the one being blamed for the death.

As the article says the death has been reported as medical malpractice, the problem being the response of the doctors and nurses was not appropriate. According to the way the doctor failed to inject epinephrine this may be correct.

Given she had preexisting conditions, the city says it is unclear whether her death can be attributed to the vaccine.

The city is not in the position to make any conclusion and leave it to the medical experts.

But it is clear.

No vaccine, no anaphylactic reaction, no death.

Or does the city want to suggest she would have died on the spot without vaccine, only due to the preexisting conditions

The doctor tried to give her a shot of epinephrine but gave up after failing to find a vein

That alone sounds like we can widely exclude those preexisting conditions.

@didou spot on !

The shot of epinephrine does not need a vein.

Mayo Clinic

This medicine is injected under the skin or into the muscle of your outer thigh only. Do not inject this medicine into a vein, into the muscle of your buttocks, or into your fingers, toes, hands, or feet. Doing so, may increase the chance of having serious side effects.

Does the government still pay ¥40 million for a vaccine death?

Diagnosis, re Mayo Clinic: elementary incompetence.

Kabukilover

Diagnosis, re Mayo Clinic: elementary incompetence.

Then explain why.

How do you inject epinephrine?

Place the orange tip against the middle of the outer thigh (upper leg) at a right angle (perpendicular) to the thigh. Swing and push the auto-injector firmly until it “clicks.” The click signals that the injection has started. Hold firmly in place for 3 seconds (count slowly 1, 2, 3).

https://www.med.unc.edu/pediatrics/cccp/wp-content/uploads/sites/1156/gravity_forms/1-188e5632d99d8f770a150fd48b72fb22/2021/02/How_to_Use_EpiPen_Autoinjector.pdf

There are many more sites saying the same.

Are they all incompetent?

Sad.

Hopefully she didn't feel pressured to get this from family, friends, workplace the Government or the media.

Or any of the above.

Sad.

didou

But it is clear.

Is it?

No vaccine, no anaphylactic reaction, no death.

Or does the city want to suggest she would have died on the spot without vaccine, only due to the preexisting conditions

Are you saying that if someone allergic to shrimp dies after eating shrimp, it is the shrimp's fault and not their allergy?

Or, perhaps you are saying that if someone with a heart condition dies of a heart attack after being surprised by friends at their surprise birthday party, it was their friends fault and not their heart condition?

The analogies are endless.

wallace

The shot of epinephrine does not need a vein.

That was my first thought. You'd think a doctor might know that, having gone to medical school and stuff.

This is worrying news. Usually deaths from this vaccination mainly effect Males in the 40-50 year grouping.

Aren't the doctors and nurses informed on how to inject the epinepherine? Also for what to do if one way doesn't work. It's a pretty damn important responsibility.

not first or last case.

i am very sure about it.

this have happened in many countries so Japan is no exception as vaccines were same/or at least we have been told so/.

Deaths from covid: 100/day

”Everything is okay”

Unusual deaths from vaccine: 1 in 100million

”Vaccine is a scourge”.

The doctor tried to give her a shot of epinephrine but gave up after failing to find a vein, the city said. No more anaphylactic treatment was

Sorry, what???

I was a paramedic, since when is a vein needed, Today auto inject EpiPen are common no vein needed.

And any doctor needing a vein for whatever reason and cannot get one needs to lose their license to practice.

I have inserted IVs in serious drug addicts on multiple occasions, no vein in the arm, then go for the leg that fails last resort butterfly in the neck or groin ( butterfly is a type of generally short term IV needle where the metal needle remains in the patient).

If these doctors and nurses do not have Emergency training then why have them there. They would be better off with a paramedic trained for emergency situation and capable of thinking fast and finding solutions.

I do not personally know 1 person who has been admitted to hospital with COVID but I do know 2 young people who have been rushed to hospital with heart problems after getting the COVID shot.

I do know 2 people who had "long COVID" but they were both overweight.

I do not personally know 1 person who has been admitted to hospital with COVID but I do know 2 young people who have been rushed to hospital with heart problems after getting the COVID shot.

I personally know two families who had family members die from covid (one a child), and know zero people who had problems with the covid shot.

I guess we cancel each other out.

@Strangerland

Were they under age 80?

Were they under age 80?

Um, what exactly does 'child' mean to you? Or did you not read my post?

But to answer your question, yes. Neither was over 50.

If it had of been because she had Covid, covid would have been blamed and not the underlying conditions....double standards much....

@Strangerland That is amazing that you actually knew one of the grand total of the 40 people under the age of 20 that have died "from" COVID.

No vaccine, no anaphylactic reaction, no death.

The anaphylactic reaction has not even been proved yet, vomit containing blood is not characteristic of it.

Or does the city want to suggest she would have died on the spot without vaccine, only due to the preexisting conditions

It is suggested this is a possibility, specially without proper medical care.

That alone sounds like we can widely exclude those preexisting conditions.

How come? failing to treat one possibility means this still has to be considered, not that it becomes the only one possible.

This is worrying news. Usually deaths from this vaccination mainly effect Males in the 40-50 year grouping.

From where does this data comes from? specially with a presentation as described?

Is the medical group sponsors by the same pharmaceutical companies that made the shot? If so, good luck getting the whole truth.

So saying an investigation is justified means there must be a conspiracy to hide the cause of death? that would be the opposite.

this have happened in many countries so Japan is no exception as vaccines were same/or at least we have been told so/.

This what? unexpected deaths? anaphylactic shocks? any evidence this is more likely to happen in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated?

I do not personally know 1 person who has been admitted to hospital with COVID but I do know 2 young people who have been rushed to hospital with heart problems after getting the COVID shot.

So how well characterized/controlled/validated is your data? how does it compare with billions of cases and vaccinations that are and point to the opposite results?

The point is that low quality data is not an argument against much better data.

If it had of been because she had Covid, covid would have been blamed and not the underlying conditions....double standards much....

No, that is a false argument, people with covid have a much higher risk of dying than people without them, even with the same comorbidities. For vaccines the opposite happens.

2 men from seperate wards in tokyo passed away from perhaps 'contaminated' veils last August.. but never saw it was published with any conclusion.

@Strangerland

Well, here are the actual stats, if you care:

https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/covid19/

""At first, she was conscious and complaining of difficulty breathing. The doctor tried to give her a shot of epinephrine but gave up after failing to find a vein""

Not unusual NOT to find a vein sitting and waiting for the shot. The doctor should have tried harder at many other locations.

Was this her first Vaccine Ever??

Move along, nothing to see here.

Safe and effective. The makers wouldn't lie to you, would they?

Absolutely nobody should be forced, coerced or pressured to take these injections.

Saying that vaccines reduce the risk for the person being vaccinated (and even to others) is not coercion, people are still able to make irrational decisions, what they are not allowed is to misrepresent these irrational decisions as if they were supported by the data, because they are not.

There is no need to respect the right for a person to misrepresent the evidence available that supports the efficacy and safety of vaccines just because a person is unable to accept it.

Yes, I am sure it is purely coincidental that she died minutes after getting the shot...

It could be, some people die suddenly from preexisting conditions every day, and it could be related to many other factors, like going out of their house to get any kind of medical procedure or the stress of getting it without relationship to the procedure itself.

Move along, nothing to see here.

What part of a medical group agreeing this is a death that have to be investigated strikes you as saying "nothing to see here"?

I just want transparency. They want to give these vaccines to babies now

When something has evidence to reduce the risk for a population that means it is justified to use it, what evidence do you have this is not the case?

There have been over 100 million people vaccinated in Japan nearly 300 million doses given.

Yes it is highly possible that with this many people getting vaccines a few will have a severe reaction and yes die.

I had a type of pneumonia that in which penicillin has no effect, the supposedly safe antibiotic I was given nearly killed me, I was one in 10 million to be allergic to this medication, as are my mother and daughter.

Does this mean we should stop using that antibiotic?

To make my point more a little more poignant, within a few minutes of receiving the medication intravenously my kidneys shut down, I stopped breathing and was hospitalized for over a month.

But this antibiotics is used daily to save millions of lives.

If we use the Anti covid vaccine people's thinking then the use of this antibiotic should also have been stopped.

Stop being chicken littles.

The woman's preexisting condition was diabetes. I don't know why it isn't shown in this article.

And cue the anti-vaxxers……

wallaceToday  08:17 am JST

The shot of epinephrine does not need a vein.

Mayo Clinic

This medicine is injected under the skin or into the muscle of your outer thigh only. Do not inject this medicine into a vein, into the muscle of your buttocks, or into your fingers, toes, hands, or feet. Doing so, may increase the chance of having serious side effects.

Was about to mention the same, as not surprisingly this was overlooked as there are no medical professionals posting here.

The epinephrine is not to be injected into the vein. Stupid doctor.

Japan even prescribes the Epi-pen, which is self-administered subcutaneous.

Not shocked though the "doctor" didn't know this.

Poor lady, probably pushed to do it by the biggest psyop in the history of humanity.

As for me no vaccine, no worries of unknown long-term side effect.

I just hope those who chose to do it, especially family and friends, don't end up regretting their decision later in life like the family of the woman in the article.

Anaphylactic reactions can be unpredictable, and by chance alone it is possible for people to develop acute problems after the vaccine without having any relationship with it, but in this case the response to the emergency is the one being blamed for the death.

This situation is a very basic scenario in the practice of medicine. Anaphylactic reactions are extremely predictable and the treatment is extremely basic. The response was a lack of response, because the response should have been a subcutaneous epineprhine injection.

As the article says the death has been reported as medical malpractice, the problem being the response of the doctors and nurses was not appropriate. According to the way the doctor failed to inject epinephrine this may be correct.

No, the problem was the doctor failing to administer a subcutaneous epinephrine injection.

Was about to mention the same, as not surprisingly this was overlooked as there are no medical professionals posting here.

If this is already mentioned, how can you say it was overlooked? even if largely abandoned the IV push of adrenaline is still used by some doctors, so this choice by itself is not necessarily mistaken. Do you have any evidence the doctor was using an epi-pen and not just generic adrenalin?

Also, since you have no evidence about what other commenters are or do for a living then your claim that there are no medical professionals posting here is just a baseless claim. For all you know everybody else but you could be one.

As for me no vaccine, no worries of unknown long-term side effect.

According to the experts that also applies for vaccinated people, patients that develop covid on the other hand have several long term problems to worry about, even if the acute disease solves without apparent problems.

If this is already mentioned, how can you say it was overlooked?

You overlooked it.

This situation is a very basic scenario in the practice of medicine. Anaphylactic reactions are extremely predictable and the treatment is extremely basic. The response was a lack of response, because the response should have been a subcutaneous epineprhine injection.

The situation has not even been proved as an anaphylactic reaction (and hematemesis is not a sign to find it this was the case). This in theory could justify not administrating adrenaline after it was recognized as a different problem, do you have any information that actually confirms this diagnostic? because obviously you can't make an appeal to personal authority after claiming nobody here has it.

No, the problem was the doctor failing to administer a subcutaneous epinephrine injection.

So you have the results of the probe that confirm the diagnosis and appropiate treatment? can you then prove why the reaction was so different from the typical syndrome, why an IV push was not justified?

Without this information you can't make such a categorical judgment.

You overlooked it.

Overlook what? where does it say the adrenaline came in the form of an epipen? or that the IV push was an invalid choice?

virusrexToday  12:15 pm JST

even if largely abandoned the IV push of adrenaline is still used by some doctors, so this choice by itself is not necessarily mistaken.

Completely wrong.

According to experts, "Intramuscular adrenaline is the first line treatment for anaphylaxis"

And as posted above, the Mayo Clinic advises the same.

You wan to contradict these actual medical experts?

Do you have any evidence the doctor was using an epi-pen and not just generic adrenalin?

You didn't know the epi-pen injects adrenaline?

Adrenaline IS generic!!!

"Iioka died at a hospital about 90 minutes later. Given she had preexisting conditions, the city says it is unclear whether her death can be attributed to the vaccine."

Already casting doubt for the future lawsuit, which they will win, of course, although the family will be offered 100,000 yen or so.

It was very easy to demonstrate your criticism of the situation was completely mistaken and it was being treated as an important event.

Switching to personal attacks after being demonstrated mistaken only evidence that even you recognize your comment made no sense, and without any argument to defend it your only exit is to attack the people that demonstrated this.

As usual, you are completely ignoring the big picture. This was being treated as a rare event, when adverse effects from the vaccines are running rampant.

Completely wrong.

According to experts, "Intramuscular adrenaline is the first line treatment for anaphylaxis"

First line, not only line, the quote clearly supports the fact that this is not the only way to administer it, and many articles have been published about it because in emergencies some doctors are still prepared to administer things intravenously when possible to get a faster effect. You have tried to use your lack of preparation in medicine as an argument, how come you are now attempting to push one single form of treatment as if no other was used ever?

You wan to contradict these actual medical experts?

Neither of your sources disqualifies the IV push as automatically invalid, which is what you need to support your argument, and of course neither gives the actual diagnosis of the patient, which can make the adrenalin administration irrelevant on the first place, or even counterproductive, where is this evidence?

You didn't know the epi-pen injects adrenaline?

That is not what the sentence you quoted means, an epi-pen can't be used to deliver an IV bolus, but if the adrenaline come in an ampule then this is still a valid (even if not recommended) option so unless you can demonstrate the available adrenaline was only in the form of an epi-pen (not likely because it is hugely more expensive than the generic) then you still have no argument.

As usual, you are completely ignoring the big picture. 

That investigating something is the opposite from saying "nothing happened here"?

This was being treated as a rare event, when adverse effects from the vaccines are running rampant.

Adverse effects like pain or fever? yes, but sudden deaths at the moment of vaccination? you would need some evidence to support this claim, do you have any?

Japanese doctors and nurses are terrible at finding veins. I needed IV treatment a few years ago pre Covid and it took 3 different nurses 5 times to find the vein. And they kept poking me and pulling it out. Looked like I was a heroin addict by the time I was discharged. I’m pro vaccine but it definitely sounds like she had an allergic reaction, preexisting medical condition aside, if she started vomiting blood 5 minutes after getting the shot.

Even an injection can go straight into the leg.

virusrexToday  12:22 pm JST

or that the IV push was an invalid choice?

From Resucitation Council UK:

Give intramuscular (IM) adrenaline

Emergency treatment of anaphylaxis

Guidelines for healthcare providers

https://www.resus.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/Emergency%20Treatment%20of%20Anaphylaxis%20May%202021_0.pdf

Still want to argue with actual medical practitioners?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9392553/

of course nothing to see here. Article shows a probe into the 1690 vaccination related deaths in Tokyo alone from Covid vaccination. I am sure they will all be blamed on comorbidities too…

wallaceToday  12:37 pm JST

Even an injection can go straight into the leg.

Exactly.

That is the method advised for self-administered adrenaline shots in Japan, the UK, and the US at least.

Guidelines for healthcare providers

Quoting from page 7

Intravenous (IV) adrenaline must be used only in certain specialist settings, and only by those skilled and experienced in its use.

Your own source says you are wrong by automatically assuming this was an invalid application, why bring something that proves you are wrong?

Still want to argue with actual medical practitioners?

Since they actually support what I am saying and contradict you you would be the one trying to do it.

virusrexToday  12:35 pm JST

As usual, you are completely ignoring the big picture. 

That investigating something is the opposite from saying "nothing happened here"? 

This was being treated as a rare event, when adverse effects from the vaccines are running rampant.

Adverse effects like pain or fever? yes, but sudden deaths at the moment of vaccination? you would need some evidence to support this claim, do you have any?

You're pushing experimental products that have been released under emergency use authorisation, so it's your responsibility to prove that they're safe and effective, not the other way around.

Article shows a probe into the 1690 vaccination related deaths in Tokyo alone from Covid vaccination. I am sure they will all be blamed on comorbidities too…

The article do not support your comment, vaccination do not make people immune to any and every cause of death, so it is expected that people that undergo vaccination will still have death rates similar to what unvaccinated people do (except of course from covid). "Vaccination related deaths" are not automatically "deaths caused by vaccination" for that you would need at least to demonstrate the deaths are in higher incidence in vaccinated people, if not then it is invalid to assume so.

Or as the article clearly says:

Regarding causal relationships, 46 cases (85.2%) did not show a causal relationship to vaccination

You're pushing experimental products that have been released under emergency use authorisation, so it's your responsibility to prove that they're safe and effective, not the other way around.

No, I am correcting false or misleading information you are trying to use as arguments, if you make a claim of something happening then you are the one that have to prove it is actually happening, if not your claim can be ignored as untrue and the conclusions you made based on that as mistaken.

The article do not support your comment

US:

Anaphylaxis

Rapid recognition and treatment

Epinephrine should be administered I.M. into the mid-lateral thigh (vastus lateralis muscle) immediately upon a diagnosis of anaphylaxis.

https://journals.lww.com/nursingcriticalcare/Fulltext/2015/07000/Anaphylaxis__Rapid_recognition_and_treatment.6.aspx

Personally, once I had an anaphylactic shock when I was injected with iodine. I am allergic to it. One of the worse medical experiences I have had. The sudden intense heat in my body and stabbing pains all over. Quickly lost consciousness. The doctor later told me I had stopped breathing. Took me weeks to fully recover from the experience.

Was this her first Vaccine Ever??

It was her 4th shot.

CBCニュース (CBCテレビ公式) in Aichi often covers this type of thing; they have a report about this incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3MVUT_uuJo

Absolutely nobody should be forced, coerced or pressured to take these injections.

Saying that vaccines reduce the risk for the person being vaccinated (and even to others) is not coercion,

Indeed, it's not coercion, it's just plain wrong.

Epinephrine should be administered I.M. into the mid-lateral thigh (vastus lateralis muscle) immediately upon a diagnosis of anaphylaxis.

As your own reference proved, IV push of adrenaline is another recognized (if infrequent) form to deliver the hormone, so this fact alone is not enough to say the doctor did something wrong.

Indeed, it's not coercion, it's just plain wrong.

According to the best medical information available there is nothing wrong with the quoted text, obviously it is not credible that every single institution of medicine or science in the world are all wrong in their field.

An otherwise healthy woman dead within an hour after the vaccine.

The same thing has happened after taking a blood sample, X-ray, or even a simple health check, according to you this would be an argument against doing anything medical, which of course makes no sense.

Do you have any actual evidence that proves the vaccines are not reducing the risk for any population they are indicated for? personal beliefs are not evidence.

just one more line.

here we read everyday daily reports about cases and deaths but NEVER about how many cases and deaths were vaccinated.seems that bighrama guys are hiding something from us.maybe that vaccine was not equal for "freedom" at all-or its was different freedom/in heaven?/....

Please make this mainstream news for a month.

here we read everyday daily reports about cases and deaths but NEVER about how many cases and deaths were vaccinated.

Yes, good point. It is becoming increasingly clear that these vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission. Lately, the only benefit offered is that they reduce serious symptoms and hospitalization. But according to a recent paper described on another JT article today about the risk of health problems from repeat COVID infections:

"The risks were evident regardless of vaccination status."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

So are there any benefits to taking these products, or only risks...

Getting a vaccine shouldn't be Russian roulette with your life.

It isn't, it is much less risky for the person health or life than not vaccinating, demonstrated scientifically.

It is also not a guarantee against any and all dangers, people die suddenly every day, being vaccinated is not something that can prevent this on every single person vaccinated, after all their purpose is to protect against one single of those causs.

seems that bighrama guys are hiding something from us.

Because you don't get some form of incomplete information instead of the one you get? that is not a rational position to take, no company has control over the information being reported, and plenty of scientific articles have been published that include all the necessary information to make a proper judgment about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, hoping you get one properly validated, controlled, characterized study every single day is obviously not a realistic expectation, and getting raw numbers without context is not enough to let people understand the situation correctly.

Yes, good point. It is becoming increasingly clear that these vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission.

According to which respectable institution of science or medicine? none? then it is not clear, just propaganda from antivaxxer groups trying to misrepresent the available evidence that clearly proves otherwise for the medical and scientific consensus.

Lately, the only benefit offered is that they reduce serious symptoms and hospitalization

Not at all they are also very effective at reducing therisk of death, and even reduce transmission and infection rates.

But according to a recent paper described on another JT article today about the risk of health problems from repeat COVID infections:

"The risks were evident regardless of vaccination status."

The original article makes painfully clear that their data comes from symptomatic patients, so they can't make a conclusion about the efficacy of vaccines since any effect reducing or eliminating symptoms would make anybody having this benefit excluded from the study by design. It would be like saying antibiotics have no effect in survival by looking at patients with septicemia in the ICU, the very clear effect of treatment preventing the patients from reaching that point would be ignored doing that.

So are there any benefits to taking these products, or only risks...

Once again, what does the scientific consensus in the world says? do you have any actual evidence to prove them all wrong?

The public mindset to the vaccines is changing, not because the world is turning anti Vaxxer as the conspiracy theorists like to say but from the evidence. Many people would be prepared to take the risk associated with the vaccines if they worked correctly and as the general public was led to believe.

its easy to find false info given regarding the vaccine benefits from world leaders. None of this was fact-checked or disputed by the world media or the Pharmaceutical companies.

We are seeing huge unexplained non Covid related excess deaths worldwide now, the highest vaxxed populations are generally the worst affected. These deaths are not just the elderly but all ages.

The vaccines were beneficial before Omicron but now and for those least at risk? It’s very doubtful and lest nit forget the latest version has only had trial results from 8 mice.

The high rate of serious adverse effects (and deaths) from these products were known for a long time, even before they received their first EUA. But we never saw any articles about that here, just the constant articles to get us worried about Covid. So why now, what has changed? Is it because now they can pin the blame on this doctor?