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More than half of Chinese see war with Japan: poll

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What a shame. Likely to happen when the majority believe this! Stinkin Chinese officials spreading hate and propoganda!!!

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If Japan stops denying and instead teach its past like Germany and stop worshiping war criminals at various shrines, relations will undoubtedly improve.

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Sad. With the Chinese Govt spreading the hate and propoganda like they are now against the Japanese. Likely there will be a conflict between both nations.

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LOL! If China goes war with Japan, it will be erased in the face of the planet. BFF US will just take care of this very ambitious wild animal.

The percentage of Chinese who have an unfavorable impression of Japan stood at 86.8 percent, an improvement on 92.8% last year.

How about a survey of the rest of the world who have bad impression of China?

I heard Vietnam, the Philippines and Hongkong are raging. Not to mention Tibet, Uyghurs and Faulun Gong practitioners. Do the Chinese people think they are the best in hating?

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Before the USA invaded Panama in 1989... I remember watching certain TV programs and reading magazine articles about Manuel Noriega and thought to myself... the USA is releasing information and preparing Americans for a "just" invasion of Panama. Panama... of course an extremely strategic and important small country. Be careful here... China is not declaring war... but it is priming the propaganda machine just in case. Recently PM Abe has stoked the engines of a strong Japan... he didn't do that for his health... he did it to warn China that Japan will not be nearly as easy a target as was Panama was for the Americans.

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If Japan stops denying and instead teach its past like Germany and stop worshiping war criminals at various shrines, relations will undoubtedly improve.

With respect, that's a little naive. One only has to look at China's deteriorating relations with Vietnam and the Philippines to see that there's more going on in the region than a disagreement over WWII.

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Is China forgetting that there are many US bases in Japan? Starting a war with Japan is essentially starting a war with the US.

Beijing regularly insists that Japan has not atoned enough for its imperialist past, and lambasts nationalist Prime Minister Shinzo Abe for an “incorrect” understanding of history and what it describes as his intention to remilitarise.

For its part, Tokyo accuses Beijing of dwelling on the past for domestic political reasons and says that in the seven decades since World War II it has apologised repeatedly and trodden a pacifist path.

It's quite funny how Beijing thinks Abe has an "incorrect" understanding of history. I mean, couldn't Abe say the same thing about China?

And Tokyo is correct. Japan has apologized numerous times. When is enough enough?

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AlexNoaburgSEP. 11, 2014 - 07:18AM JST If Japan stops denying and instead teach its past like Germany and stop worshiping war criminals at various shrines, relations will undoubtedly improve.

Naive indeed! Let's just say Japan apologizes now. Do you really think China would stop doing animalistic and provocative acts (also on other countries not only Japan)? Absolutely NOT. Senkaku is the real cause of China's enormous hate propaganda capaign. And China really does know how to do this, I guess you have been a victim of the scheme. Don't let the CCP media fools you.

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In China, World War II never ended.

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LOL ... and the other photo is Abe's shining face under a painting of Buddha.

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Well, the Chinese Communist Party can consider their propaganda campaign a success. Hooray for them.

It's a shame that Chinese people don't seem to know how much the modern State of Japan has done for China since WW2, after the fall of Imperial Japan. Massive quantities of aid, business development, trade etc etc. Unbelievably generous financial loan arrangements

Which the China still quite happily takes, whilst pouring on the anti-Japanese propaganda and making regular incursions into Japanese territory.

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1,539 Chinese of the same age range in five cities: Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu, Shenyang and Xian.

Take this poll with a serious grain of salt! With a population of over 1 BILLION people a poll like this is meaningless, the only purpose is to stir up more crap.

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Just as China has gotten fairly prosperous too. The country can't seem to go very long before they have to stir something - T Square, so called "cultural revolution" of the '60s when they murdered no telling how many people, whew! They don't seem to understand that their prosperity has come because of a few years of peaceful relations with some other countries.

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China and Japan’s leaders know more about their country’s actual willingness to go to war than anyone else, and it benefits to signal strong resolve on the issue to extract concessions in any potential deal. Japan announced its willingness to shoot down Chinese drones earlier this year and its defense plans are example of this, and China’s ADIZ is probably the pattern of such a signal. Regardless, the point remains that even if the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands might seem like a terribly silly thing, war can still be likely. The Chinese and Japanese diplomats haven’t had high-level contact in over a year, and even the more primitive explanation, that war occurs because a lack of communication leads to rational miscalculations, becomes believable. If a war is fought over these islands, it will have an eminently rational explanation underlying all the historical mistrust and nationalism on the surface. War in the East China Sea is possible, despite the economic costs.

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@AlexNoaburg And China also bears some responsibility for improving relations. Can't just be the Thief crying "Thief!".

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Well, they will have to walk through the United States.I hope for their sake, they inform the Chinese people, War with Japan is war with NATO.

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China is a very dangerous country where people are not given right information and their minds are controlled by the propaganda of the government.

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Funny how everyone is downvoting @AlexNoaburg. What he says is true! Sure, China bears a lot of the responsibility. But if Japan would do the things he said, it would help.

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It questioned 1,000 Japanese aged 18 or older and 1,539 Chinese of the same age range in five cities: Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu, Shenyang and Xian.

Yea.. because 1,539 people interviewed is enough to claim that over half of the Chinese population, which as we know exceeds 1 BILLION people, see war with Japan. Media sensationalist bull. Get it together

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I don't know why but I read this as "More than half of Chinese longs for a war with Japan: poll"

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Both Russia and China turned to a Communist form of Government in order to more fairly distribute the wealth of their respective countries. Now, with both countries again embracing capitalism... the gap between the rich and the poor has massively increased and the cards are now firmly stacked against any individual becoming prosperous or rich in each nation. Sure... with China certain people still have a chance of making it... but let 20 pass there...the lines will be drawn. With Russia the lines have already been drawn. Both of these countries turned to Communism for a reason and the reason is... they cannot escape certain inherent inequalities of their culture that repeatedly favor a few rich over a vast majority of poor. Given enough time.. both of these countries will again implode.

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At least Japan acknowledges that the atrocities of WWII actually happened, with exception of those right wing nut jobs. On the other hand, China claims that its cultural revolution and industrial polices when it took power never killed anyone. At least Japan acknowledges that such events even happen (with the unfortunate probability that they probably fudged the numbers in the history books) than just blatantly deny that it ever existed.

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Well, they will have to walk through the United States.I hope for their sake, they inform the Chinese people, War with Japan is war with NATO.

ndwariga -- actually the second part of your post is 100% incorrect. The U.S.'s alliance with Japan has nothing to do with its NATO obligations, or vice versa. But, it is the first part of your post -- "they will have to walk through the United States" -- that, as an American citizen scares me the most. It makes me sick to death to think American money, and, more importantly, American lives, might have to be wasted because two supposed "world powers" are not mature enough to settle their differences. Sure, China promotes anti-Japanese feelings to their domestic political advantage. But Abe knows that, so his and his governement's continued provocations only give them more ammunition. And the fact that nearly 1/3 of Japanese think war with China is possible is truly scary because it shows how even a supposedly "free press" has managed to poison people's thinking. Both countries need to grow up.

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That is to be expected with the Chinese leaders stoking the fires of hatred and brain washing its peasants, if the media was free and open I am sure the people in china would have the full and real picture and be able to make informed decisions instead of only having the rubbish pumped out by the great Chinese disinformation propaganda machine that is the Chinese govt.

So maybe now the deniers on here who think it is Abe stirring the pot may realise that japan really does need to strengthen its military and arm up, living in this hostile neighbour hood with crazed leaders as neighbours it would be foolish not to arm up in defence.

Sometimes aggression needs to be met with aggression it can be the best way to defuse the hostility, either way for abe and japan to do nothing would be suicide with an aggressive hostile china spreading lies and hatred to its people.

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@jerseyboy

supposedly "free press" has managed to poison people's thinking.

You are correct on this statement, neither Japan nor China have a free press. Japan does not disappear people who oppose the government like China, but there is enough money and disinformation dispensed to make up for that disparity.

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Funny! War with Japan would mean that only half the Chinese would still be here tomorrow!

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U.S. or Japan do not want to be in a position where by following Chinese instructions you are giving tacit acknowledgement of their sovereignty over a disputed area. However, you can’t have Chinese and Japanese armed jets over the Senkaku/Daioyu Islands at the same time. If you do have them out there, what are the rules of engagement? What do you tell them to do? If a Chinese or Japanese jet got shot down, what would China gain from this? It would have a propaganda victory of claiming to be a victim. And there is a fear that is precisely the game that is being played, it seems no accident that the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands are now in the heart of overlapping zones. There might have more risk of encounters with Chinese aircraft in the area, and need to establish a system to avoid unnecessary incidents. U.S. will deploy new long-range surveillance drones to Senkaku/Diaoyu islands which is creating tensions in China goverment.The recent defense alliance between U.S. and Japan to expand military cooperation didn't sit too well for China. The Chinese move is more of a counter move to this military cooperation. Japan is changing and so is China. U.S. will continue to cooperate with Japan's expanded roles and responsibilities.

In a wording and verbal openings on diplomatic meets, Japanese officials delivered apologies. but there were never formal documentation of apology with promises to fix their mistakes by taking such actions and such. Japan's apologies were always vague and lacked details, other than saying sorry and we'll never do it. In meantime in Japan, these 168 Japanese politicans including Abe worship their old war criminals in Yasukuni as gods and glorify the old days by adding easily accepted forms such as textbooks, popular magazine and newspaper articles and suggesting Japanese legitimacy on their position in WWII. Then someday, we'll come across generation of Japanese population that really believes that their course of action in WWII was the right thing and wanting retribution. With Abe's administration Japan things really started to look that way.

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China should stop bullying her neighbour countries and Japan should realize that honoring her war criminals, not reminding her people about history and flexing it's muscles won't really solve the problem instead it will just add fuel to the fire. Japan is not ready for war, period, 200% Japan will lose this war without the allies' help.

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Yeah, Let's fight!

Let's also find out whether the USA is a truly friend.

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I wonder how the question was acted and where it was asked. Japan is full of Chinese people shopping, sightseeing and working. I live in Himeji. Here we have the largest percentage of Chinese people in Japan. Never met any with a bad word to say about Japan. Their main problem is Japanese perception of them. Despite learning Japanese and wanting to fit in, there are many Japanese people (mainly men) who don't want to socialise with them. Of course it varies from person to person. The problem I find is that Japanese people get peddled the line that only "pure" Japanese are really Japanese. As for China. Sigh! Well the sooner people over there get a better form government the better.

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Reza Rahman Chinese people shopping in Japan is not the majority, and indeed many chinese people are also not happy with their government, but they don't have the decision in the end, these middle aged poloiticians will decide for them.

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Funny how the U.S. is slowly convincing Japan to build up it's military. Why? Does the U.S.want to fight China? That's the LAST thing U.S. wants.

They figured a war is coming here soon enough, and China vs. Japan is a much better choice (for U.S. gov) than China vs. U.S AND Japan.

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Has anyone here looked at the original article?

This is the article by Time (http://time.com/3318650/china-war-japan-2020-poll/), which references the China Daily article here: http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-09/10/content_18571095.htm

There's absolutely no reference to war in the China Daily article that Time references.

In short people this is just another example of completely untrue reporting.

In fact in the final paragraph of the China Daily article it says:

Li Wei, the CASS director, suggested that there was a "shared pursuit between China and Japan - they are both seeking a peaceful rise and not expecting a war".

What is really sad here is that I seem to be the very first person here to actually check the source. The rest of you just swallowed it hook, line and sinker, and then came back for seconds.

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Ah China, gearing up it's people already

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Polls where people in China and Japan are asked to state how much they dislike each other so that the results can be published to further fan the flames are ridiculous. Both China and Japan use these tactics to keep their own people on edge and to turn their eyes away from other issues.

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oh My god i live in japan

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no more war! We live in the 21st Century, neither China nor Japan have issues with limited natural resources yet. And come on, honestly at this point nothing beneficial will occur if politicians keep fanning the anti-Japanese sentiment in China and Korea. All it's going to do is just prolong the ignorant hatred towards each other, with nothing to help appease both sides.

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In China, World War II never ended.

It won't end until China defeats Japan for itself. That's never going to happen. If China tries, it'll be defeated, with or without US help. Japan isn't the only country being bullied by China, so if conflict breaks out, Japan won't be the only country pushing back.

It's a little sad to see these figures, but not at all surprising. China can't let go of Japan's past, while it turns a blind eye to its own. You can't get along with someone like that. Until China acts with maturity and stops being the bully, ties between the two countries won't improve, only worsen.

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China is being super aggressive at the moment taking land all over the place

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Absolutely disgusting and probably likely at this rate.... Although this survey only surveyed 1,539 Chinese i wouldn't be surprised if this large of a percentage of Chinese truly think this way. They will reap what they sow and a war is only going to set their development severely backwards. History shouldn't be a tool to be used for modern diplomacy by any country...just my opinion.

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tideofironSep. 11, 2014 - 09:41AM JST Lots of people here seem to think China would lose any confrontation with Japan because the USA would jump in to >help them. I think I speak for a lot American people when I say, "Don't count on it." Please figure it out for yourselves. >We're getting tired of jumping into these kinds of situations. Thanks.

You couldn't be more mistaken.I suggest you read this US Senate Resolution.

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-resolution/412/text

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@ everyone lol and @Cody Maloney. Its the Japs now, next America / Indians and so on. All their propaganda is what I predicted on here a month before it happened. I said they would show clips of America dropping the nuclear bomb on a country and of japans starting ww2. They are 100% gearing up for a massive war and are Nazis USING PROPAGANDA to get back in a war.

Its more "WHY" Is American not punishing them. There multiplication of there dollars all there groundless denials, that turned out not to be so groundless 1 year on, becoming true. Why does America want china to build up and see millions killed??

America can just say hay after all of that and the hacking "we have had it", sanctions of 1% on their 6% growth. That is F all but does show them we are not Fuc*'ing around. If they keep hacking and lying....... 3% sanctions until they have next 2 know growth. America knows what's taking place, so the real question is, why does America want millions of people to die and in wars to start? They can act now to try stop it, but are letting them get away with everything. We all know what happens when you don't punish people.

Now if China doesn't stop it, and their growth is cut to 0.5%, we know them sanction just let us know what there 100% real intentions where and are. Start cutting them back why investing in India next.

If we cut china's grow % back, the world markets will see china growth halted at 5.5% now, and that will crush their markets 10,000% more than the west. China will still be meeting demand and a 0.5% or 2% cut back can be mopped up / will not crush the world Markets. China's market getting told no more growth can happen, will hurt them real bad. Inflation would come on hard and their markets would collapse "somewhat" because of their "outlook". Their outlook of growth will hurt them real bad, but not us. There output will still be at 5.5% or 2% and that is fine with us and west markets. China will crash........not us. If we start to cut back china's market,m then it will start to hurt us real bad, but investment by west governments in India, can get 4% growth in India allowing us to cut china back 4% pa.

The west needs to act, because lives will be lost and what follows could be nuclear war in the future. In 1997 when china got let to grow at any rate, the people back then said don't risk it, but in the end it crossed there mind that they could always cut them off. They didn't think "what if" there economy was that big in the future, you cant just cut them off. The same will be done in the future. Don't think we will act in the future, when they will be much more relied on. Any west government doesn't get elected by shutting down the worlds second biggest market meaning "jobs". Politicians don't care, they want to get into power and cling to power for as long as they can. That means they will never punish cut that will lose them jobs that means jobs and votes. China and ww3 will 100% take place unless we act now.

Just 1 thing. China has built mass things for the war, but they are building things on a massive scale. China is 100% preparing for nuclear war and has built a 5,000 mile long underground nuclear tunnel system, that is nuclear proof and can fire nuclear weapons from within. It can move 100drs of k of troops/tanks away from any attack, and in many different directions. Just 1 thing for mass thing being built, and on such a scale, they are 100% preparing for a big nuclear war.

Ps my grammar and spelling is the least of your worry's.

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OssanAmerica: You couldn't be more mistaken.I suggest you read this US Senate Resolution.

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-resolution/412/text

quoted, last paragraph of the bill:

SEC. 3. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this resolution shall be construed as a declaration of war or authorization to use force.

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An action that China would quickly regret. Japan is far from the lap dog the Chinese think it is. I honestly think Japan would surprise the world as how capably it would be able to defend itself from a larger aggressive force.

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I can't believe all the anti-China posts in this thread. You are making out it to be all China's fault. It takes two to make an argument! Japan and China are as bad as each other. They are both like a pair of school boy brats calling each other names and squabbling over school ground territories. I'd like to get leaders of both countries and bang their heads together and tell them to grow up!

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"More than half of Chinese see war with Japan"... That says more about the Chinese' mentality than anything to do with Japan.

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Well when you live in an oppressive, propaganda-fueled communist state, of course you're going to say that...

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It questioned 1,000 Japanese aged 18 or older and 1,539 Chinese of the same age range in five cities: Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu, Shenyang and Xian.

This is what many of you are missing and not taking in context. I hardly think 1,539 people in 5 cities speak for all of China and note NOTHING was quoted from Chinese officials about this.

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It should be over 99% since communist China manipulated the mass as robots (powerless workers under dictatorship regime). It shows the communist top brass of China did not do a good job, and do not believe in their propaganda as much. If war breaks out, both countries and the world will face certain tragedy. the good news will be "the end of communism in China". They know so well, for employing big mouth bully policy to achieve their objective without going to war. If they start it, there will be the end of these big mouth bullies. Shame to communist China!

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"And Tokyo is correct. Japan has apologized numerous times. When is enough enough?" Never! Look at Jews, thanks to the persistent abuse of the memories of holocaust and laying the blame on to the entire human race they became factual owners of planets resources, finances, medias and are still continuously asking for more. They are actually only group that thanks to this guilt peddling does not have to belong to any international agreement and does not have to adhere to any international rules. So there is your answer when enough is enough.

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War with Japan is war with NATO.

Do you even know what NATO stands for? Japan is not a member of NATO and stand little chance of ever being a member. It would be a war with ANZUS

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Chinese, Japanese and Filipino have similar moral rights and justification for trying to hold on to as much territory as possible; all three are heavily populated and every meter of land counts. of course in our extremely greedy world every place that hold some natural resources counts even more. Big problem is USA and its presence in the area, China would find it easier to share its space with Japan if it was not for the USA presence and dominance of the area. USA presence is also a reason Japan will never get anything from Russia in the North, giving anything or sharing anything with Japan would put more USA dominance and military bases in to the Russias backyard. So while Japan relies on USA protection It is USA presence that is creating the need for that protection.

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Ho hum, more BS coming from China. I think we can clearly rule that 'global warming' is the product of much BS and rhetoric. In China's case, the hot air emanating from there is enough to raise the global mean temperature as scientists have modeled. Now how do we let the hot air out slowly without it going postal nuclear on Japan and neighbours? Sadly, China starting WWIII would no doubt start a cooling down of the planet if hot heads prevail. Never, say never... just sayin'

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"If China goes war with Japan, it will be erased in the face of the planet. BFF US will just take care of this very ambitious wild animal."

The U.S. will not go to war with China, Walmart, clothing stores and toy stores will not allow it.

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Nah, I think too many people worldwide like their Nintendo, PS3/4/Vita, Manga/Anime/JRPGs/Games, Sony/Panasonic/JVC, Toyota, Sushi, Geisha, Karate, Aikido, Judo, and odd and crazy news (in many western nations) from Japan etc. to just sit still and any military aggression from China. Lotsa places would have non Japanese otaku blowing a gasket at China.

I know I'd be peeved to hell if I didn't get my next chapter of Berserk because China' tries to start a war. <,<=>,>

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War with Japan, is war with the U.S. and probably Western Europe so good luck China you'll probably need it.

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Zvonko: Chinese, Japanese and Filipino ... all three are heavily populated and every meter of land counts. ...

China is full of empty space, and as for Japan, check the other article currently up on JT about people evacuating the countryside for the cities.

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@Zvonko So that explains why China is taking Vietnamese islands?

As for the people that don't believe the US has Japan's back: we are bound by treaty. That is worth a lot more than just a "red line" in a news conference. If you don't believe the US would shoot first and ask questions later, you might as well just try it and find out...

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I don't hate Chinese, but China government. The way they claim, the way they act It never match together, just meaning to sow more hatred thinking in their own citizen to other countries, especially their neighbors.

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“The most common reason for the unfavorable impression of China among the Japanese public was ‘China’s actions are incompatible with international rules’ at 55.1%,” Genron NPO and the China Daily said in a joint statement.

“On the other hand, ‘The Diaoyu/Senkaku islands’ (64%) and ‘historical understanding’ (59.6%) were the two prominent reasons for the unfavorable impression of Japan among the Chinese public,” it said.

The difference between educated people living in a democracy and brainwashed masses under a communist regime. China backed into a corner by its own propaganda machine working too well.

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Those who think it's some political thing or that the U.S. can't afford a war with China, Wrong. It's about Military investment that has already been made. Ask yourself "How many U.S. military bases are in Japan?" The answer there are 23 U.S. military bases in Japan. Twenty Three... We're not just going to abandon them leaving all those people, all that crap, not to mention one of our close allies to a Chinese attack. It isn't even necessarily about Japan either. They are our foothold in Asia, like Germany is in Europe. Point blank we aren't exactly in Japan to protect Japan, we are in Japan to potentially attack China, North Korea, and maybe even Russia. Were there and we're not going to leave any time soon. (Unless we go to war with China or North Korea, then we'll be there instead.)

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China needs an external enemy at whom they can point at for all their government-prescribed hate. If it wasn't Japan, there would be another country on that place. Half of the Chinese are craving for war thanks to the CCP teaching state-run aggression. If the world can endure a bit longer and China isn't starting a war, it will fall apart internally all by itself thanks to its own hateship against many of its neighbors.

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I hope the Chinese citizens are thinking on what they must do once Japan occupies China after the war.

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Music to Abe's ears as he has another excuse to up military spending.

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War between China and Japan? Seems inevitable at this point. Hope all the foreigners have got their 100,000Yen saved up for an emergency flight back to their home country.

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Why some of you in Japan seem to be itching for a war between japan and China is beyond me. You aren't realizing that the animosity between the two has grown to ridiculous proportions in just two years that nukes will be used against both countries. And for those in neither country pressing for war and amping up the rhetoric, one: no one of decision making consequence reads this site so you're wasting your breath, you are agitators with zero skin in the game, and the world in general needs less talk of war and more of peace.

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I wonder what percentage are looking forward to it.

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Let's play out the effects of war on Japan. The "herbivore" men you mock will become indoctrinated with military bushido, go, fight, some will die, come back with ptsd. Without the lessons learned from ww2 some will commit atrocities. Significant parts of china, the Korea's and japan become radioactive. They ultra right wing comes into power. They may despise chinese and south Koreans but white foreigners aren't too far behind increasing discrimination domestically and which is why even Washington has expressed disappointment at Abe's visits to yasukuni. The US wants a partner but not one run by nutters that believe Japan was in the right in ww2 but the US will not be able to control the ultra right. So many of the public is falling into the current government's agenda which will only benefit them and the rich and connected. But those for peace will keep advocating for peace lest Asia become the next middle east.

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"The findings come ahead of the second anniversary Thursday of Japan’s nationalisation of disputed islands in the East China Sea that have formed the focus of tensions between the Asian giants."

Well, at least the article points out what actually triggered the current tension. After that it's become a game of tit-for-tat to see who can outdo the other in military spending and bombast. So far, China has more or less been consistent in their stance towards Japan, save for changes in the air defense zone around the country, whereas Japan has used tensions as an excuse for revising their pacifist constitution, passing bills to make new weaponry and sell it to the highest bidder, increase the military, and now are looking at how they could deploy for offense (not just defense), etc. And this doesn't take any of the moves Abe and the wingers have taken in terms of inflaming tensions further, like visiting Yasukuni after threatening to do so if China didn't sit down at the table and listen to Japan's demands, or claiming there's no island dispute, etc.

BOTH nations are acting like children, and both are hurting as a result. Japanese businesses that exported and/or were outsourcing to China have suffered major blows and are forced to look into rebuilding infrastructure from the ground up in other nations. Imports being down hurt consumers, etc. Likewise, China has lost a lot of business and continues to do so.

I doubt there would be any war without some other factor coming into play, but unlike titaniumdioxide who think that any war started by China (or Japan, he might like to add!) would result in their annihilation, and theirs alone, any war that started would be the end of us all. At the very least Japan would most certainly suffer China's nukes in full force, China would be largely decimated, and probably the Koreas, all US bases/forces in the area, and then beyond that to other continents. If Russia joined it then it really would be over. So, no one would benefit, obviously.

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If half of Chinese people really believe this then they either believe everything Beijing feeds them... or something else.

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Do you even know what NATO stands for? Japan is not a member of NATO and stand little chance of ever being a member. It would be a war with ANZUS

You know ANZUS has been practically defunct for quite some time now. It is/was a pact between Aus. NZ and the US only. Japan being attacked by China has nothing to do with the pact. Even an attack by China on Taiwan is a very grey area on whether or not Australian and NZ forces would have to respond. Besides which, I don't think China is particularly worried about Aus/NZ military intervention.

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I think the so called facts from media builds a pretty clear picture about responsibility. The military spending aside, of some strange reason Chinas government are systematically building/enhancing/developing the anti-japanese sentiments in the population (social happenings, games, movie industry). I can't see the same thing happening on the Japanese side. Well maybe Abes visits to yasukuni could be interpreted in such a way or maybe he only wants to honor his dead relatives as tradition bids. The active build up is coming from China and they are forcing Japan to dance. By the way does anyone know what the new Chinese islands, currently under construction in the south china sea, i going to be used for? Ive heard that the Phillipines is getting nervous having Chinese land so close to their borders.

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Here is the reality:

If China attacks Japan or gets tricked into attacking Japan's sovereignty unilaterally, US will blow China back into the stone age.

If Japan attacks China or gets tricked into attacking China's sovereignty unilaterally, China will eliminate Japan off the face of this planet.

The likelihood of either scenario is slim to none. Who cares about an unscientific poll says. War between the two is never going to happen so long as US stays on top. NO one is crazy enough to go to full scale war over a few disputed islands. Don't forget, China's position is demanding Japan to acknowledge there is in fact a dispute. That is one of the easiest thing to compromise.

No one is going to war over something so trivial. Take a chill pill and calm down.

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This is just my humble opinion on China's position and of course I don't condone it, but China will make things even for what Japan did. Only when Japanese die and in some significant numbers will Manchuria, Nanjing, and WWII be put to rest between the two countries.

Apologies does nothing. If someone murdered your family member and apologize, are you able to forgive them? You might but China won't. Christianity in China goes back to the Tang dynasty 8th century and Christian missionaries have been in China since the 19th century but China is not a Christian country. It's not if someone says sorry then you have to forgive him as the Lord God has forgiven you. It's more if you damaged my car, you need to pay for the damage. If a murderer takes away life, the murderer's life should be taken as well. Is an eye for an eye and tooth for tooth such a outrageious concept?

Why do you think there is the death penalty in China, Japan, and the U.S? Because if you are guilty of crimes, you pay. Everyone agrees Japan is guilty. The disagreement is over the reparations. If you killed so many of my people, apologies and OECD aid mean nothing. I have not seen any mudered victim's families in China, Japan, or the U.S. where the killer apologizes and the family says okay, let's put it in the past.

My proposal is to preach forgiveness. Easier said and done and completely unrealistic. If China could truly forgive, then we will see peace and prosperity in China, but obviously it's not working and so we should quit beating a dead horse. Someone convince China a murderer should not receive capital punishment. Negotiate with China and make a settlement. What do you think Japan's sentence should be?

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I can't believe all the anti-China posts in this thread.

I can't believe that there is anyone left who can in good conscience support the communists.

It takes two to make an argument!

Generally, when dealing with sane people, this is true. Sadly, the communists are about as far from sane as you can get. If you haven't realized by now that the commies will never forget their humiliating defeats at the hands of Japan, then you haven't been paying attention. "Avenge the loss of face" is the main mindset driving PRC foreign policy.

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Depending on US political situation 2 years later. When US gets serious there will be a formidable US, Japan, Australia, Philippine bases multi national military alliance. Then China will think twice. All challenges now are initiated by China, not others.

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At this rate life is going to suck soon.

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Hidingout "Avenge the loss of face" is the main mindset driving PRC foreign policy.

Its so true. It was really humiliating and so it's not an apology that they're looking for. It's revenge.

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quercetum, Japan lost a war against US, but did not look for revenge. So we became friends.

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I agree that the whole forgive and forget thing may mostly be a Christian ideal. So why should a different culture care about such things? History tells us that an "eye for an eye" always has been a more natural way of life. In a sense that makes life (and death) much more predictable. No more worries about an aging population and only simple problems and worries like who is going to blast you away the next time your turn your back to them. Those who know things I believe don't need to build nuke proof bunkers or storage for weapons. There will not be a surface on earth worth fighting over anymore. Well maybe some people thinks that sitting in a bunker a life-time crying out their anger over wars long ago is a reasonable quality of life. Maybe we need to try and support the development of versions of forgive and forget of the simple reason that most of us in the global community understands the effects of war and do what we can to try to avoid it.

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Irony;

Definition: A whole bunch of people ranting about how people in China believe propaganda... while in fact they're the ones who have been fooled.

People, wake up, the headline and first paragraph (the one about half of Chinese people expecting war)... it doesn't come from the China Daily article, it is something that the Western press made up, and that you have swallowed... all the while criticising Chinese people for being gullible and manipulated by propaganda.

Ironic, dontcha think?

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For some of warmongers and haters here, let me give you guys an unsolicited advice: I think that the US has no plan to fight two other nuclear superpowers, namely Russia and China in any time soon. Why? well, if you let your emotions recede, the answers are under your noses. If you still have doubts on my words, I suggest you look at Ukraine for clues. It’s would be enlightening case study for some Japanese nationalists based on the US and the West responses and actions so far.

Unlike Japan, America is a reality-based nation, even Johnson, Reagan and Bush knew dos and don'ts of possible wars with which countries. Can anyone expect Obama or any American president after him to break the taboo ?

Again, Japan and China should seek peace not war because war does no country good.

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quercetum, Japan lost a war against US, but did not look for revenge. So we became friends.

tinawatanabe> with all due respect, Japan waged war against the United States.

China was a decaying dynasty (1895) and then a republic occupied in its civil war (1930's). If China invaded Japan and Japan kicked its fanny, China would have no case. But with its victim stigma, it sees itself as needing to be strong and not be weak and be run over again. Hence all the flying over the Senkakus and belligerence towards Vietnam.

In 1900, Austria, Hungary, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Japan, and the U.S. formed an alliance and defeated a group of rebels supported by the Chinese dynasty. The Alliance then occupied Peking and proceeded to loot and pillage the capital (I wikipediaed all this I know nothing). According to the Chinese I've spoken with, this is taught in schools and everyone is told to never forget the shame like Texans remembering the Alamo.

Japan doesn't teach these parts in school textbooks unlike the Chinese students who are hit over the head with it every July 7th and are propagandized to death with it. So when a Japanese oblivious to atrocities of the past reads about Chinese anger towards Japan, he's like what's up with that?!...get over it already will you China?

I agree with you that China could take a lesson from Japan, but my point is that it's not going that route at all and is looking for revenge. It is more of a Chinese William Wallace against a Japanese Edward Longshanks revenge than a US/Japan hug, kiss, forgive, and make up.

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''Japan and China should seek peace not war because war does no country good.''

Tell us all: what kind of chain of events will ensue when Japan refuses to give Senkaku while China insists, and USA says go ahead have fun between you two, we've had enough of it, at a time when China is much stronger militarily and economically than Japan.

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That just over half of Chinese people seeing future war with Japan is certainly a story, but the below would also be a story in itself:

while 29% of Japanese view military confrontation (with China) as a possibility

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There is not going to be any war between China and Japan - Daiso won't allow that to happen.

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quercetum, no country helped China financially and technologically more than Japan. Maybe those things are not taught in your country. And about war, it is controvertial that what your government is teaching about Japan. Japan thinks it is exaggerated. I don't understand when you say "shame". Are you going to get revenge on all countries in the past? How about the small countries (including Japan) China has been bullying? Should they get revenge on China too?

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China needs to turn down the rhetoric and nationalism before there actually is a war. A war of this type would be a disaster for the region, China included.

If this is China's "peaceful rise" then I have to wonder what their definition of "peace" is.

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tmtmsnb, Hmm …, you still don’t get it, don’t you. Here is another clue for you to pounder just in case you have question:: last Nov. Chinese Regime unilaterally declaimed it ADIZ, which by the way, encroached the disputed Senkaku islands into its zone in East China Sea in de facto manner, what happened next would be your event and result guilds in terms of American responses. If you are willing to accept the reality, you will see thing in a more clear way without some sort of wishful thinking.

Once again, America is reality-based country, and it will never allow its gigantic investments and economic interest go down the drain for the sakes of someone’s ideology or some country’s nationalism.

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Once again, America is reality-based country, and it will never allow its gigantic investments and economic interest go down the drain for the sakes of someone’s ideology or some country’s nationalism.

And this is exactly why the US would want to ensure Japan's survival.

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tinawatanabe> my country is not China (I don't know where you got that though I tend to write from a 1st person voice.) To respond to your comments, I don't think it's the amount of money in aid or the number of apologies the Japanese make that will allow to China to move on. I think that China and the Chinese who harbor hatred and desire revenge against Japan do not think that aid and apologies make up for Manchuria, Nanking, etc.

I believe there are Chinese who believe apologies and aid don't mean anything. I see murdered victim's families in Japan demanding "justice." They, whether Japanese Chinese or American, desire the murderer hanged...to achieve justice. It's more like that. Money and apology won't do it. I think it's this type of feeling towards the Japanese; therefore, yes, while Japan helps China and China accepts, China wants revenge.

To exaggerate to make a point, if everyone in Japan apologized, all the school textbooks print nothing but Nanking or War time slaves and human experiments, the Japanese government closes down Yasukuni Shrine, and leaves or gives the Senkakus to China, China would still mention about the millions killed in WWII. China thinks justice will only be served when it avenges its past with Japan.

From talking to the Chinese, I've learned that it's the U.S. presence that is keeping China from attacking Japan. Without the U.S. China would "make up" for what happened between the two countries.

Do you think money and apologies would really do it? Japan has given aid and apologies, it's not working is it? Haven't you ever watched the Godfather? It's that type of revenge. It's nothing unusual to me though I do not condone it. Just saying people keep saying we've said sorry and gave you a lot of money, but China wants revenge.

Thank God for the U.S.

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EthanWilberSep. 11, 2014 - 10:55PM JST

Since you do not answer, let me answer for you. The ensuing chain of events are, with the prospect of an America looking on without lifting a finger, with military and economy much mightier than Japan, with 'Tople small Japan' a national sports, China has no choice but to take Senkaku by force, and Japan will meet the challenge, and there will be war, which is counter to your ''Japan and China should seek peace not war because war does no country good.''

If you say Nah - -China won't do that, then my words above all lost their meanings.

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Ah, but did the poll ask which side they think will start the war? Maybe they should let the past be a guide. Just saying.

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If Japan stops denying and instead teach its past like Germany and stop worshiping war criminals at various shrines, relations will undoubtedly improve.

Time for you to pack your bags and move on over to China. I am sure their history books are filled with the government's sorrow over the Tiananmen Square massacre and the cultural revolution.

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Increase the Peace in the Northeast!

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If Japan stops denying and instead teach its past like Germany and stop worshiping war criminals at various shrines, relations will undoubtedly improve.

You are seriously naïve. The Chinese and the Koreans (north and south) will keep harping on about the war no matter what the Japanese say or do.

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With Korea smack in the middle, it would be interesting to see who they would side with. These days, China, me thinks.

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diuneahmaSep. 12, 2014 - 01:15AM JST

One should either be fair and objective with use of racist terms or don't use them at all. Scenario 1 A million commie Chink troops sailed towards Japan and got wiped out by the real kamikaze... again... Scenario 2 A million Japs will wage an 8 year war in mainland China that will also go nowhere...

I prefer the latter.

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China.

yawn

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China's war with Japan is remote because china completely depends upon USA( ally of Japan ). China has disputes with India , Vietnam ,Philippines and other neighbouring countries.china has its own problems..Hong Kong is mainly/protesting for democracy. China is not friendly country with any others.

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Would the US really be willing to sacrifice Hawaii and Los Angeles to defend Japan? Those are the places China's long missiles are point at and launch-ready!

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The U.S. does not need to "sacrifice" anything to stop China if it chooses the path of war and aggression,

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One of the biggest errors would be to assume that the US would not use military intervention against other nuclear powers. The difference is as simple as who would be the first of the nuclear powers to use a nuclear weapon against another. Because the first one stupide enough to launch will also be the first one to be retaliated against with nuclear weapons. Until then the US would use conventional weapons etc to do war. Most nuclear powers should have enough brains to figure out it's not worth using a nuclear weapon unless they plan on making a place uninhabitable for hundreds of generations to come. The nukes today are much more powerful than Fat boy and Little Man and if you think the remorse from that was bad, wait until one of the Hydro's goes off and wipes out a country. Genocide will be felt across the globe on a human level.

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It takes two to make an argument!

Clearly you've never seen the Youtube comments then. Arguments break out there all the time, and it's almost always one person ranting and raving at innocent people. Much like what China is doing. They protest every little thing that Japan does, and complain when Japan protests against China's bullying. China is arguing with Japan, while Japan sighs tiredly and makes plans for when China's tantrum inevitably becomes more violent.

Would the US really be willing to sacrifice Hawaii and Los Angeles to defend Japan? Those are the places China's long missiles are point at and launch-ready!

Right, because it's not like the US have Aegis Cruisers at Pearl Harbour to intercept said missiles and prevent the destruction of Hawaii, let alone LA. Even if just one missile hit Hawaii, or LA, that would only give the US the nudge to hit China with full force. In the end, China will lose a hundred times more than the US and Japan combined.

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China won't go to war with other countries. It may provoke here and there (like VN) or wait for other countries (like the US) to self destruct by getting into conflicts with other countries. All it has to do is sit in the background and wait patiently.

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@Bellpeppers lmao that you think the PRC is more stable than the US. What is the PRC up to now, thousands of demonstrations a year?

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A survey done in China, how reliable is it. What messages are they tried to send to Japan and the Japanese people? By the way, who run China, the people or the communist party? May be they should do a survey on the communist party members, it would be more interesting to read.

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Unlike Japan, America is a reality-based nation

Unlike ROK, America is a nation that honors its signature on treaties and agreements. You are dreaming in technicolor if you think the USA will ever stand by and watch the commies lift a finger against Japan.

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Unlike ROK, America is a nation that honors its signature on treaties and agreements. You are dreaming in technicolor if you think the USA will ever stand by and watch the commies lift a finger against Japan.

America isn't going to defend Japan. There's nothing in it for the US, and of course the US, like any country, is only in it for itself. It's naive to think that somehow US is any different. Sure the US would love selling weapons to Japan, but that's about it. There's not a NATO kind of treaty with Japan.

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America isn't going to defend Japan. There's nothing in it for the US, and of course the US, like any country, is only in it for itself. It's naive to think that somehow US is any different. Sure the US would love selling weapons to Japan, but that's about it. There's not a NATO kind of treaty with Japan.

orly? I think you need to review basic facts before posting any further.

Obama, even before touching down in Tokyo, had made clear the US would support Tokyo if China took any hostile action over the East China Sea islands.In an interview with Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper, he said the US would oppose any "unilateral attempts to undermine Japan's administration" of the islands."The policy of the United States is clear -- the Senkaku Islands are administered by Japan and therefore fall within the scope of Article 5 of the US-Japan Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security," he said in the article.

http://www.defencereviewasia.com/articles/323/US-Japan-to-confirm-China-dispute-islands-defence-promise

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Sure, talk is cheap.

The most ridiculous thing is, IF the US were to defend Japan against China, then both China and Japan would be funding for the US. LOL... talk about irony. America is broke, and without China and Japan buying their debt, then US can't afford any more wars, and their economy will collapse.

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So you admit that you didn't have a clue what you were talking about when you said "America isn't going to defend Japan. There's not a NATO kind of treaty with Japan." Thank you.

Sure, talk is cheap.

And you would do well to keep in mind that that "cheap" talk is coming from the mouth of the weakest and most liberal president the USA has had in my lifetime. Imagine what the next president will have to say on the subject.

US can't afford any more wars

Keep telling yourself that.

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LOL... no, it seems like you're the one without a clue. It's absurd to think that the US will actually do anything.

And you would do well to keep in mind that that "cheap" talk is coming from the mouth of the weakest and most liberal president the USA has had in my lifetime. Imagine what the next president will have to say on the subject.

LOL... Obama is hardly "liberal". He is right-wing, controlled by the neocons, Wall Street, Military Industrial Complex and the big corporations.

Do you know how much the US is in debt? And how it can't afford to have any more wars, without China and Japan funding it? I'm just telling you the facts. LOL.

You seem to be so keen (or desperate) on the US "defending" Japan. I'm sure that most Americans wouldn't be so keen on it.

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It's absurd to think that the US will actually do anything.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens when your commie buddies finally work up the stones to stop whining about all the ancient thrashings they got at the hands of Japan and actually do something about it. I suspect that day will never actually come though because the commies are cowards at heart.

But if it ever does, I know what will happen because I know that the USA honors its commitments and treaties.You can choose to believe otherwise if you like. No skin off my nose.

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Enough Rope is right in that US is not going to get in a war with China at the same time the only reason China is not going to do do anything stupid to get in a war with Japan. Both of you are right on. US honoring its commitment is only a deterrent but completely effective.

As for for Japan giving the most aid, it's like saying you injured someone then you brag that you've donated a lot of money to the victim out of generosity.

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quercetum You are product of anti-Japan education. The generosity you said is 300,000 of Nanking. But you should know your government keeps increasing the number. And no names or evidence to support the number. When Japan points out the inconsistency of the figure your government always anwers " The number is not important"

Your government massacred 1,200,000, 20 %of population in Tibet in 1955. Is it OK?

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@jerseyboy NATO treaty binds members to assist any other member at war with anyone. Its a defense pact. If the United States is involved in any conflict, NATO is involved.

Article 3 & Article 5

When you fire at an American ship, NATO gets involved

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enough_ropeSep. 12, 2014 - 08:59PM JST LOL... no, it seems like you're the one without a clue. It's absurd to think that the US will actually do anything. You seem to be so keen (or desperate) on the US "defending" Japan. I'm sure that most Americans wouldn't be so >keen on it.

You are very wrong. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/sres167/text

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just legalize weed in both countries and all this hate will go up in the smoke.

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hang on, "could go to war" is different to "think they will go to war". I'd like to see some clarification of the question they were asked...

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A few things. First China is going through a state of hubris thanks to its new riches. After years of oppression and poverty after 1949, the country is strutting its stuff. Japan went through a similar phase. That is part of what this poll represents. But it also I believe represents the leftover dark pessimism of the old days when you did not have to very extraordinary powers to predict misery and be proved right.

If it is of any comfort, China has always been careful in how it picks it's fights, whether with India, Vietnam or the former Soviet Union. Or for that matter with South Korea and the US. It has avoided prolonged and debilitating wars. War with the world's second largest economy would be disaster. The sort of disaster that China has so far avoided.

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It's amusing how the Japanese right-wingers/netouyo can only talk big against China, only if they can depend on America... Whatever happened to "Strong Japan"? LOL... Are they sure that they are "patriots"? How can they be patriotic, when they are willing to be completely subservient to the US? They sure do contradict themselves. Besides, it's not like America will ever actually protect Japan.

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All this rhetoric is nonsense as the assumptions arising out of 'normal' human thought concerning separation of countries is the first divide that starts to create a feeling of difference between peoples. Once everyone starts thinking as one world/one earth type of mentality then there will always be hostilities. This may seem like a utopia to some and a dream that is not possible, but let's not forget all of the great men and women like Martin Luther King and Gandhi who could reform our backwards thinking. So let's take a step back and look upon any nation as the Chinese and Japanese as our brothers and sisters. Everyone needs to start from some central spot at core human understanding with immense feeling that crosses over borders. Otherwise we get into these stupid disputes and do not clear them up as best we can. Some may call this a dream and yet others are and will take action to do something righteous.

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Both Japanese and Chinese leaders are for the most part, not stupid; they're rather a pragmatic bunch. They don't want to start a war because it will obviously not benefit either countries. The problem is when insane people like Abe start to provoke and instigate trouble. Look at how that has turned out for the US. The Bush administration and the neocons were war-mongers, and it literally destroyed the most powerful nation in the world. If it's not careful, then Abe will likely lead Japan to the same path. The problem is that the Japanese system has no check on those who clearly harm the national interests.

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Funny stuff, enough_rope. The only thing that has really harmed the US was letting China in the WTO. We are still doing better than Europe and Japan, though.

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enough_ropeSep. 16, 2014 - 08:37AM JST They don't want to start a war because it will obviously not benefit either countries.

It will definitely be more of Japan's problem with severe recession. Problem is that Japan depends on China for 21 percent of their GDP compare to 9 percent for China. Japan has over 20,000 companies operating inside China, but how many Chinese corporations operating inside Japan? China will get by other EU and U.S. and Korean companies filling in the shoes left by Japan.

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"It's amusing how the Japanese right-wingers/netouyo can only talk big against China, only if they can depend on America... Whatever happened to "Strong Japan"? LOL... Are they sure that they are "patriots"? How can they be patriotic, when they are willing to be completely subservient to the US? They sure do contradict themselves. Besides, it's not like America will ever actually protect Japan."

This is a country who was forced by two atomic bombs to become pacifist? Since then, they have been staring into the barrel of a gun (Uncle Sam's) so they do not have a choice but to rely on US military for protection.

Japan would have stayed strong had they been allowed to keep on with their brutal empire. They never needed the US. They have been forced into this weakened situation. Japan was rightwing in the past so it isn't like they have all disappeared.

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Japan depends on China for 21 percent of their GDP

sfjp330 You got it one digit wrong. Japan's export to China is 2.79% of GDP, import 2.44%. J GDP is mostly coming from Domestic.

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A survey conducted in both nations found that 53.4% of Chinese envisage a future conflict, with more than a fifth of those saying it would happen "within a few years", while 29% of Japanese view military confrontation as a possibility.

If you can keep the people's anger fixed on someone else then they won't turn on you.

The Communist have been telling the people the reason they are upset isn't because their single party rule has done an awful job at spreading the wealth as Communism promised. They claim the real reason that inequality, corruption and oppression is rampant in Communist China is because Japan invaded parts of China some 70 years ago.

Communist propaganda is working well, Emperor Xi has been fanning the flames of war while Japan hasn't. But, what happens when this short war they have been planning for turns into a dragged out long one? Then what happens when the US doesn't stay out of the war, but in fact joins in and starts hammering Communist China's ancient Navy?

The Communist believe the U.S. will stay out of the coming war because they have invested in the US. But, what they just don't get is that the US war chiefs have been planning for a long time to take a very big bite out of China's navy.

Misguided strategies always bring down misguided leaders.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/top-u-s-general-visits-vietnam-as-asian-tensions-simmer-1408006967

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/02/us-philippines-usa-idUSBREA4107020140502

Gee, I wonder why the US has been rebuilding it's bases in Asia and moving more assets into the region? And why is it that the US has been making nice with nations that fear Communist China's aggression?

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/bases-for-americas-asia-pacific-rebalance/

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/bases-for-americas-asia-pacific-rebalance-part-2/

Enjoy the read......

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tinawatanabeSep. 16, 2014 - 10:28AM JST Japan depends on China for 21 percent of their GDP sfjp330 You got it one digit wrong. Japan's export to China is 2.79% of GDP, import 2.44%. J GDP is mostly coming from Domestic.

What I meant to say is that Japan represents 9% of China’s overall trade. By comparison, China accounted for 21% of Japan’s exports and imports.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2012/09/17/whats-at-stake-in-china-japan-spat-345-billion-to-start/

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China will get by other EU and U.S. and Korean companies filling in the shoes left by Japan.

If they start a war with Japan? You are dreaming.

I think you underestimate the simmering hatred of PRC that exists around the world. If PRC starts firing shots they will lose all foreign investment - except of course from their little pet ROK.

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hidingout Sep. 17, 2014 - 07:56AM JST If they start a war with Japan? You are dreaming. I think you underestimate the simmering hatred of PRC that exists around the world. If PRC starts firing shots they will lose all foreign investment - except of course from their little pet ROK.

You tell that to the investors. The inflows in China have maintained steady growth every year since the country joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. Inflows reached a record high of $118 billion in 2013. And 2014 may be no different. China's FDI may hit an all-time high of $120 billion this year.

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The inflows in China have maintained steady growth every year since the country joined the World Trade Organization in 2001

Yes, I know. PRC has done very well for themselves running the sweatshop of the world.

Perhaps you didn't read my comment carefully? I said "if" PRC starts a war the investments will disappear. And they will find themselves facing sanctions on top of it. And they will most likely be booted out of the WTO - an organization they don't deserve to be a party to anyway given their abysmal record of environmental protection and worker's rights.

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So, what's your point, sfjp330? With high FDI, the world would take side with China, not Japan if China attacked Japan? Do you know China invests in Japan a lot too?

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hidingout Sep. 17, 2014 - 08:53AM JST Perhaps you didn't read my comment carefully? I said "if" PRC starts a war the investments will disappear.

And I said investors will stay. Investors are not like a microwave oven. They look at the long term outlook and they expect instability and skimishes (small wars) throught the world, including China and Japan. If you didn't know, It's a reality of the world.

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War? Bring it on, the Japanese will give it to you on a platter. All you Shinajin before opening your mouths against Japan, you were all very happy taking all the billions of Yen in Japanese Government assistance between the mid 1960's all the way through the late 1990's. All the technology that the Japanese government forced Japanese companies to donate to your Shinajin companies. During those years you and your government were very happy kissing Japanese bottoms.

You people are a shame to the human race. Where is your pride and honor? If you people believe the senkakus are yours or that the Japanese have not atoned for the acts of their ancestors 75 years ago, then give all the money back, keep the technology since you would copy it anyway, then open your mouths, otherwise if you took the money and accepted the apologies already, SHUT UP!

Go after Mao and his mad wife, they killed millions of your own people. Honor your responsibilities to the Hong Kong People and give them their well earned freedom to decide their own future... You people have no morals, no ethics. Before pointing the finger at outsiders look inside your own house and clean it up.

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PaulmqsSep. 18, 2014 - 01:26AM JST War? Bring it on, the Japanese will give it to you on a platter. All you Shinajin before opening your mouths against Japan, you were all very happy taking all the billions of Yen in Japanese Government assistance between the mid 1960's all the way through the late 1990's. All the technology that the Japanese government forced Japanese companies to donate to your Shinajin companies. During those years you and your government were very happy kissing Japanese bottoms.

They did for many decades of ODA after 70's. The very problem lies in the way Japanese people view China and the way China issues are portrayed in the Japanese media. This raises the question whether the public opinion in Japan really reflects what people think on relations with China. The negative sentiments in China toward Japan will continue to be a major risk factor for Japanese firms doing business in the country. Still, most of the major companies continue to need the Chinese market and go to China to compete, and if Japanese firms hesitate in doing business in China because of those risks, they could be losing in the global competition. China’s aggressive military buildup may in fact be a reflection of its internal fragility

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Paulmqs, it's not as simple as that. You believe that if you receive gifts and aids then the relationship is restored. That's naive to believe that about China. China will take all the gifts and aid AND attack Japan. Why would you think China would grateful just because you might be? The current situation is best with the US acting as a deterrent.

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