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That did it! Now Police is going to interrogate everyone at the University! Principle will resign! And the human faces will hit the fan!

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He had been attending a drinking party put on by the club at a rental space in the building in the capital's Ueno district on Friday

How much alcohol?

Traces or several times over the legal limit?

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So it's the cannabis' fault not the multiple beers and sake that he consumed?? What a joke in their attempt to demonise the weed. Sadly for this young guy whichever it was he won't be around to tell.

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So he was heavely intoxicated with alcohol, but it's the cannabis fault. Got it.

Police work at its finest in Japan, as usual. /s

-6 ( +22 / -28 )

It sounds like the alcohol killed him more than cannabis.

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Reefer Madness!

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Terrible. A parent's worst nightmare.

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A Nihon University student died after falling from the rooftop of a building in Tokyo, with an autopsy finding traces of cannabis in his urine, investigative sources said Monday.

Reefer Madness and could have only come form the Devil's Lettuce!

The university has been embroiled in a string of scandals in recent years. Its American football team disbanded earlier this year in the wake of a drug scandal that resulted in some members being arrested.

Yeah, that is the most significant scandal that affects students that is always mentioned in these Kyodo articles.

https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/society/crime-courts/20220330-16854/

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No legal alcohol in his urine then? For balance alcohol would be the main culprit. Alcohol Madness is the unacknowledged scourge of the young and old in Japan.

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Nihon University seems to be a haven for drug use and abuse. The American Football club scandal is still fresh in my mind.

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I’d hoped that someone would have picked up on the fact that there is no ‘legal or illegal’ amount for alcohol levels in Japan except in certain cases eg driving.

However, even a minuscule of cannabis in Japan is illegal and that is why the article gives it a big shout out

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If it was an accident it could he both the alcohol and cannabis togther.

But if it was suicide then it was the alcohol.

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Dopey kid. Rip

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It is not illegal to have cannabis in your blood. It is illegal to be possession of cannabis. He was tested for alcohol.

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So the idea it is not illegal to test positive for Marijuana use or even alcohol use is true, but at the same time not true!

If you are not Japanese and it is legal in your country, then probabilities are they cannot and will not charge you because they cannot prove you used in Japan.

It is a different story for Japanese!

Under the law even drinking under age outside Japan is an offence even if the Japanese person was legal age in that country, Japanese law applies to citizens even when traveling and that includes alcohol and drugs!

So by testing positive it is and has been taken as evidence of illegal drug use and yes people have been prosecuted and found guilty for using Marijuana without actually possessing any at the time of arrest.

There have been several high profile cases involving actors, musicians, etc...that have been convicted without actually possessing any drugs.

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Previously, even if cannabis was detected in urine samples taken during an investigation, no criminal charges would be filed if the individual was not in physical possession of the substance. Outlawing the act of using cannabis could potentially lead to a spike in arrests.

The Dec. 6 revisions classify cannabis as a narcotic and make unauthorized use or possession a criminal offense punishable by up to seven years in prison.

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15146176

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I feel sorry for the kid's family, relatives and friends, but this case is likely to be misused by the authorities: held up as evidence of the evils and dangers of marijuana, with no mention of any contributing factors. And the naive public will internalize the message unquestioningly.

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Now to the, why is having cannabis (THC) in his system relevant!

As Cannabis has become legal in more places the evidence of a link between it's use and mental health issues is becoming more and more evident.

Multiple in going researches are showing a link between cannabis and triggering early onset of schizophrenia and bipolarism. (Especially in those with genetic risk factors)

Other research is showing an increase in triggering anxiety and depression, especially in younger individuals.

Now I know so many here will get upset, scream fear mongering, but you can look it all up.

It doesn't mean everyone that uses cannabis will have these problems just like everyone that drinks alcohol isn't going to become an alcoholic!

But like tobacco as use increased and science advanced showing a clear Link to cancer and other problems.

With the increase of use and now legally possiblity of researching the effects of marijuana, we are going to finally get more accurate information besides the one side "it is evil, dangerous leads to blah blah blah..."

Or the other side " it is safer than alcohol or tobacco etc..."

I suggest you look up:

can thc cause mental health issues

Or

can marijuana cause mental health issues

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They need to establish why the student fell. It could have been a simple accident.

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unlikely the drug made him fall or anything. Drug use is more wide spread than Japan wants to admit particularly weed. Even in random Inaka towns or cities you can just randomly smell it. I’d investigate the poor kids recent life events before pointing out low level drugs like weed as a likely culprit or factor

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He drank alcohol and smoked weed and the weed is the blame? Funny.

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What does the fact he had traces of cannabis in his blood have to do with it?

Smoking weed (at some point in the last 3-6 months, as that is how long it stays in your system) generally doesn’t make you lose balance and fall off a building.

Drinking multiple cans of strong alcohol can, however.

It’s just a cheap way to further demonise cannabis to the Japanese masses who know absolutely nothing about it apart from what they have been preached to by people who have never smoked it and also know nothing about it (school teachers etc.).

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Whatever happened, RIP to the young lad.

Hemp seeds are one of the seven spices in shichimi mixed chili pepper. I don't know how aggressive Japanese drug tests are, or if an autopsy is much stricter, but there was a string of false positives a few years ago in Dubai where an airport scanner was detecting poppy seeds on people's clothes off bread buns.

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Stewart Gale

Today 02:58 pm JST

What does the fact he had traces of cannabis in his blood have to do with it?

> Smoking weed (at some point in the last 3-6 months, as that is how long it stays in your system) generally doesn’t make you lose balance and fall off a building.

At the moment they err on the side of caution using the " fell off" but we need to ask why was he on the roof in the first place and we don't know but we can take an educated guess that he wasn't looking for the toilet!

As for why having cannabis in his blood?

The same reason they pointed out (seems most missed this part)

The 20-year-old, a member of the school's dance club,

He had been attending a drinking party put on by the club

Here is the difference, over 20 and drinking is legal, using cannabis isn't like that fact or not , that is the law as I pointed out and another confirmed

The Dec. 6 revisions classify cannabis as a narcotic and make unauthorized use or possession a criminal offense punishable by up to seven years in prison.

So this fact means under Japanese law an illegal act was committed, people here don't have to agree with the law but that is the law and we all have plenty of laws in Japan we don't agree with but those are the facts.

And with more and more research linking cannabis use to earlier onset of psychosis in people with genetic risk factors for psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia, as well as worse symptoms in people who already have these conditions.

And

research has shown an increased risk of depression in those who use cannabis during adolescence. More robustly, research has linked cannabis use with suicidal thoughts and behaviors among teens

I know he was not a teen anymore but not that far off.

I am not saying it was not just an accident but the use of drugs and alcohol may have both played a role in this sad situation!

And there is the reason both the cannabis and the drinking are clearly pointed out in the article.

The author doesn't need to specify he had alcohol in his system because they clearly say he was at a drinking party and we can guess that meant he was drinking and had alcohol in his system.

But again alcohol at 20 is not illegal but cannabis at any age is in Japan.

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kohakuebisu

Today 03:14 pm JST

Hemp seeds are one of the seven spices in shichimi mixed chili pepper. I don't know how aggressive Japanese drug tests are, or if an autopsy is much stricter, but there was a string of false positives a few years ago in Dubai where an airport scanner was detecting poppy seeds on people's clothes off bread buns.

This was something started in the 90s as a way to argue against drug testing.

Hemp seeds do not contain THC or CBD they are not the same plant as marijuana despite being in the same family!

Nearly every so-called study usually by a pro cannabis group do a little game.

When the "test food with hemp seeds it is always combined with hemp oil and yes hemp oil with shoe a positive result fir CBD but not the seeds.

So eat all the hemps seeds you want, they will not show a positive drug test result.

It is a myth long ago debunked!

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A puff. A party. A tragedy.

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Yes, since they legalized weed in Canada, many US states, Thailand and other countries there have been thousands of suicides and people jumping off tall objects. Not!

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In today's laboratory-developed strains of mary jane the tch levels are much higher and more potent than anything your parents or you in your high school days experienced- they can severely and radically affect your perception / nervous system if you inhale more deeply than Clinton did.

Combine that with alcohol, and you have an accident waiting to happen.

...The question is, did it happen that way? Now that he's gone we won't know for sure.

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I doubt he consumed cannabis at his party. Probably within the previous 24 hours. None of the other students had cannabis in their urine.

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@wallace

Good point Wallace. Good point indeed.

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Doesn’t cannabis stay in the blood system for up to a month? If that is the case, then he could have smoked it at anytime since the end of March.

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Kumagaijin

Today 04:12 pm JST

Yes, since they legalized weed in Canada, many US states, Thailand and other countries there have been thousands of suicides and people jumping off tall objects. Not

Well if you want to be technical and stick to only jumping off buildings, OK.

But if you want to include other methods of ending their own lives, sorry but yes there has been a rise.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5017459

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/reports-publications/health-promotion-chronic-disease-prevention-canada-research-policy-practice/vol-43-no-9-2023/interrupted-time-series-evaluation-cannabis-legalization-effect-self-harm.html

The above by health promotion and disease prevention Canada (government includes information on other countries that legalized cannabis.

Have a good read!

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Marijuana is a dangerous drug.

It leads to schizophrenia, psychosis, violence, and even murder.

That’s been scientifically documented.

Marijuana should be banned.

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If he'd smoked more grass than the booze he sank he'd still be around to tell the tale.

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Traces of any drug means less than huge amounts of alcohol in the system.

Marijuana is a dangerous drug.

That just isn't true, unless it is laced with other drugs. Marijuana is safer than alcohol. Hundreds of studies have proven this as fact. Native Americans have used Marijuana for thousands of years in religious ceremonies.

There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose. NEVER. People die from alcohol poisoning every day, around the world.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/77th2013/Exhibits/Assembly/JUD/AJUD725Q.pdf

From a medical standpoint, there is no level of alcohol use that is completely safe, as studies have shown harms even with light drinking.

Ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/12/12/marijuana-risks-alcohol-addiction/

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