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N Korean missile flying over Japan makes Tokyoites more wary

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By MARI YAMAGUCHI and SHERRY ZHENG

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A LACK OF DISASTER PLANNING

In Tokyo? I would suggest that Tokyo and just about everywhere else in Japan has more "plans" and have had more drills and practice in "disasters" than just about any other country on earth.

Lack of planning for a missle strike? Yeah that's probably true, but few if any countries are truly prepared for one either, yet Japan still has their natural disaster plans in place and those can be adapted as well.

TOO MUCH HYPE AND DRAMA

This is the key point in my opinion, the media keeps stirring the pot, and it needs to take a step back.

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The media take a step back? Haha. Trump and North Korea are what keep the clicks coming!

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So does Lockheed pay Kim Jun a flat fee per launch or does he get a commission for every billion dollar tin-can “missile defense system” that they sell?

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That missile was flying in space actually and re-entered the atmosphere over the pacific ocean.

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for hours and hours japanese tv showed a childish map of the missile trajectory. It was a straight line over Japan. all japanese think it cruised right over there houses, maybe 1000 meters. Its an ICBM! they go up so high and then hit their target on decent. there was no danger to Japan unless we attack first. Or another country on the other side of the world attacks first.

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there was no danger to Japan unless we attack first. Or another country on the other side of the world attacks first.

Been on the phone to Kim 'Wrong Un' have we?

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Seriously though, no one knows what NK has and how many of whatever that is. But in the past year they're going higher and farther and launched at random.

Basically, if North Korea did decide to point something at Tokyo or Seoul, tens of millions are screwed.

Those precious interceptors first have to be launched to be effective and second, no one knows how truly effective they can be when used outside of a planned drill.

Abe can't protect you.

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I'm wary but it's not going to stop my daily life. The baby men can posture and threaten all they want.

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We're in Nagano and got the warning. It was pretty scary, especially since the system seems to have been introduced without telling anyone what happens when it goes off and how serious or realistic they are being when they say "go in your basement". To me, it felt like the four minute warnings of nuclear war anyone forty plus will have been told about during the Cold War. I know they have to warn people, but the warning they use is excessive if its going to go off every time NK tests a single missile. The system should have been explained fully when it was introduced.

All this might just be more of the same old from NK, but with this putting the wind up everyone and Trump and Abe in place, I fear that it won't be viewed in that way.

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Hype and scaremongering.  Who seriously believes L'il Kim is going to drop a missile on Japan?

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Seriously though, no one knows what NK has and how many of whatever that is

we know they have 70 undetected subs with missile technology successfully tested. that is why i built a bomb shelter.

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If they knew where the missile was headed, why give an alert in Nagano, which is hundreds of kilometers away? How on Earth do they hope to shoot one down if they have no idea where it is flying?

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Many people do not care, they do not understand the news either. Missile was about 550 km over Japan, in space, much higher than ISS (International Space Station). There is nothing that Japan could do to intercept this missile. If Kim attacks Tokyo, there is about 8-12 minutes for intercept, after that there is nothing what SDF can do. Nothing what normal person on the train, in the office, at home can do. Game Over.

Even if J-Alert was sent few minutes after lunch, realistically we got about 3-5 minutes to hide, impossible. Also in Japan normal houses or apartments do not have basement, do not mention far villages, countryside in Akita, there is no subway or anything under ground to hide.

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The media adding fuel to this hysteria fire are a disgrace.

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Perhaps the Tokyoites, particularly Japan as a whole, should talk to the Israelis and see how they handle the almost everyday missile threats and terroism in their daily lives. Of course Isrealis are more hardened to realities of life and they definitely are not the "delicate little flowers who must be protected from the cold, cruel dangerous world" that Japanese, bless their gentle souls, seems to be.

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kohakuebisuToday  10:03 am JST

"the system seems to have been introduced without telling anyone what happens when it goes off and how serious or realistic they are being when they say "go in your basement".

" The system should have been explained fully when it was introduced."

The alert system may not be perfect some of the criticisms of it are getting ridiculous. They have been explaining the system for quite a while. I've seen it explained numerous times, seen practice drills on the news, etc. Of course people who never watch the news or read a newspaper or news site, and ignore the information newsletters and pamphlets put out by the government will remain ignorant.

Nowhere does the system tell people to "go in your basement". Nor does it assume everyone has a basement to go into. The warning does advise people to, if outdoors, to the extent possible, get themselves to a sturdy building, basement, etc. And, if that is not possible, for instance in an area with no buildings, to hunker down on the ground, hiding by wall or whatever if available, and protect the head. If indoors, one should try to get into the most solid part of the structure, away from windows. It isn't, pardon the pun, rocket science, it's basically what I'd do if I saw a sudden twister coming.

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Left out a word, sorry.

The alert system may not be perfect BUT some of the criticisms of it are getting ridiculous.

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When I looked at FB yesterday my buddy in Takasaki, Gunma was woken up by the public warning and it appeared him and his wife were pretty worried initially. Why on earth is it necessary to wake people up in a worrying manner, as far away as Gunma? Hokkaido and Aomori I could understand but they know where this missile is heading within a few seconds. I think it's pretty irresponsible to needlessly worry people and if they keep doing it, the danger the local authorities run is the warnings might be ignored when they are really needed. Seems like the boy who cried wolf to me.

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By the time the warnings were issued the missile was already over Hokkaido. There is only 15 minutes from launch to impact on mainland Japan. This means they have 8 minutes or less to launch a counter missile and destroy it, which is not gonna happen. They can run drills and scenarios all they like, but the fact is, there is not enough time to do anything effective to protect yourself.

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You can bet that behind the scenes LDP is actually rubbing their hands....Kim just delivered Abe and Jiminto a lot of potential votes from the easily scared public that believes all the media hype that gets rolled out every time NK fires off a missile.

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Of course Isrealis are more hardened to realities of life and they definitely are not the "delicate little flowers who must be protected from the cold, cruel dangerous world" that Japanese, bless their gentle souls, seems to be.

Out of curiosity; what has Israel got to do with concerns over missiles launched from the DPRK?

Truly jumping the shark, here.

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NK missile technology is not able to use nuclear heads...yet.

You are worried of a few missiles in space ?

I am worried of 3rd world war !

An attack from NK would give the defender the right for self-defense and retaliation would need to be "efficient".

If NK hits in any way SK or Japan or the USA or any ally in fact with obvious NK war developed equipment, it would mean probably NK invasion to stop insanity.

Good luck to hide from nukes within a few minutes !

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Out of curiosity; what has Israel got to do with concerns over missiles launched from the DPRK?

Truly jumping the shark, here.

@Toasted Heretic, you aren't aware that there are other countries that have dealt with missile attack threats and their people have experience coping with them. Israel is one such country, which is why I mentioned them.

And by the way, Israel also has success with deploying missile defense systems. Their latest one is "Iron Dome". Maybe Japan should buy into the "Iron Dome" System instead of Patriot and THAAD .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome#Development

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@Toasted Heretic, you aren't aware that there are other countries that have dealt with missile attack threats and their people have experience coping with them. Israel is one such country, which is why I mentioned them.

I am fully aware of the Palestinians who have to deal with disporoportionate and chemical attacks from the IDF. They cope admirably, given the constant threat.

But again; Israel and Palestine have nothing to do with the situation here in Japan. Your post was a flimsy excuse to sneer at Japanese people's worries over possible nuclear conflict and portray them as out of touch with reality.

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The exact wording that came up on every TV channel in mid Honshu and more northern inaka was

頑丈な建物や地下に避難して下さい。

They were the only instructions given.

From inaka evening news, it was clear that lots of people had no clue as to what to do. The "I don't have a basement" was also common, not "we'd better do X because this must be that thing we've been told about". We are kumi-cho in our neighbourhood this year, so we have to count and hand deliver any pamphlets that come from above. Inaka people are generally good at reading newspapers and being good little citizens, so I don't suppose the message must have got out very well.

Since it was first thing in the morning, my missus started opening our shoji screens but I told her, only half jokingly, to stop in case there was flying glass.

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The safest bet for Tokyo and Co is to include Pyongyang in their circles, not exclusion. Pyongyang becomes as much a loser or a gainer in the Co-sphere. Ignore his missile ambitions open boarders and start free trade even if, at first , on his hopefully reasonable terms. Peace, or whatever his definition of it, granted to him is peace for everyone. This may appear like appeasement but looked at in long term, it offers long term various variable opportunities.

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Let say the missile passed through Japanese territory (which from news, it did), why the Japanese and US not dare to shoot it down? After all, it's about sovereignty, isn't it?

Or do you wait till it really hits on the land then the allies nuke on NK? Or maybe they can do like what they did to Osama?

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GoodLuck

NK has 70 "undetected subs" with "missile technology"?????

My guess "undetected" because they don't exist.  And certainly not nuke missile tech.

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Things to do when NK sends missles towards Toyko:

Pray

Hide under the nearest table

Make a cup of tea

Run to the nearest subway station

Climb to the roof completely naked and stand legs & arms wide stretched waiting for the instant suntan.

I guess there's other ideas, but worrying about it now is only going to cause more stress to your daily life.

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Firing missiles over another country without that country's approval - if that was done to North Korea, y'know that would have been an act of war

What would had happened if those NK missiles had another massive failure and crashed on Japanese soil?

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"The exact wording that came up on every TV channel in mid Honshu and more northern inaka was

頑丈な建物や地下に避難して下さい。"

Which does not say "your" basement. The official contents is below. Of course when the situation is extreme and time is short, a shortened version will be barked out so to speak. In the US, in fire danger areas we could get very detailed information as to what to do, where to go, what to take etc but in the end people will be shouted at to "get out now!".

Jアラートによる情報伝達では、

弾道ミサイルが日本に飛来する可能性があると判断した場合に、まず、弾道ミサイルが発射された旨の情報を伝達し、避難を呼びかけます。 屋外にいる場合は、近くの頑丈な建物や地下(地下街や地下駅舎などの地下施設)に避難して下さい。 

その後、弾道ミサイルが日本の領土・領海に落下する可能性があると判断した場合には、続報として直ちに避難することを呼びかけます。 屋外にいる場合には、直ちに近くの頑丈な建物や地下に避難してください。また、近くに適当な建物等がない場合は、物陰に身を隠すか地面に伏せ頭部を守って下さい。 なお、屋内にいる場合には、できるだけ窓から離れ、できれば窓のない部屋へ移動して下さい。 

その後、弾道ミサイルが日本の領土・領海に落下したと推定された場合には落下場所等についてお知らせします。 続報を伝達しますので、引き続き屋内に避難していて下さい。

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