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Don't forget to give them the 20% discount for the SKY TREE Tour, on the way out.

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a wimp in front of superior i guess. as expected from japan.

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"“This is not something the government has decided on emotionally."

Yeah, right. We believe that.

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Old Ishihara will be happy this time that he can act more fiercely in the near future ...

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It must have been a feast for the Chinese.

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@CrazyJoe, nay, in fact, social media in China have been inundated by tweets that the Chinese government acted weakly in the accident and demand more severe actions towards Japan.

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"the Chinese government acted weakly", it's the other way around, isn't it?

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Etiquette as "Pro-China" activitists was misleading -- Like Taiwanese, these island-landers from Hong Kong ( some of them joined the demonstrations anti-China on election issues on July 1 ) are not necessarily pro-China on everything but for the pro-protection of the disputed islands -- Reasons why they waved flags from Mainland China, Hong Kong & Taiwan upon landing the main island.

On the other hand, the PM appeared to have sworn to judge these island-landers according to local laws & send SDF etc.. turned out to be releasing them simply..SIMPLY ? He does have to give a few explanations, doesn't he ?

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If the Japanese government is so annoyed by the Chinese protests and claims, then why doesn't it go to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to finally settle it?

Oh, right, it doesn't have to...

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After returning to Hong Kong, these people will keep protesting, yelling outside the Japanese consulate in CBD

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The storming of Senkaku islands held every 8 years, the last two times were happened at 1996,2004 so the next storming will be 2020!

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Watching live coverage from Naha airport this afternoon (and now), Japanese police is fugitive in transporting the Chinese activists to let all the passengers in the airplane wait for a long time. Also, it's interesting this time for the Japanese government to deal with the 2 journalists accompanying these activists. A complete fiasco for Japan.

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the Chinese government acted weakly in the accident

Of course the Chinese government was timid over the Diayoutai disputes, those Japanese coast guard vessels should not allowed to cruise around the seas! There were thousands of Chinese nationals living inJapan, for the sake of their safety not to be assaulted by Japanese thugs, China has restrained and tolerated Japan for years! And when Chinese law enforcement vessels patrol the Diayoutai islands, the JCG carry out provocative 'ship racing ' that kicks off the hostilities at sea! Japan has no valid foundation of law that her claim of their so-called Senkaku islands is valid!!

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Good Decision. China has overwhelming military power compared to Japan. Besides being the regional 800lb gorilla it's also an economic superpower which Japan depends on for manufacturing and trade.

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Now on the airplane, the 2 HK journalists are telling media they were treated unlawfully by Japanese police and officials.

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Sir_EdgarAug. 17, 2012 - 05:26PM JST If the Japanese government is so annoyed by the Chinese protests and claims, then why doesn't it go to the >International Court of Justice (ICJ) to finally settle it? Oh, right, it doesn't have to...

Who is Japan suppose to take to the ICJ, itself??? Japan isn't making any claim. It's up to those who are like China, Taiwan to to take it to he ICJ. Japan can only Answer. Filing a Clam and filing an Answer are specific legal concepts that apply to all courts.

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UPDATE: They are out of the country! they were flown on Hong Kong Airlines. Thank God this has ended without incident or loss of life. Now let's see what else they (the Chinese) intent next. If they re-enter the country again, it will be an automatic prison term for sure.

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This is "Gaiko" of Minshuto."Koshi-Nuke Gaiko"

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They (including the 2 journalists) have arrived back China, more details and video clips of the incident will be revealed tonight.

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The Chinese blogosphere has already announced that "spontaneous" protests will be occurring throughout China this Sunday. And the world will be watching.

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I think the activists will only prove to be successful in persuading the Japanese government to take firmer steps to prevent this kind of thing repeating - more patrols, and possibly the idea of a Coastguard Dock.

It's likely that between this incident and the Tokyo purchase, Japan will now feel forced to take more proactive control, which will undermine China's claim.

In the end of the day, that is all that these hooligans have achieved - they are going to force Japan to reinforce its own claim at China's expense. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up like the drunk cap'n guy, welcomed home as a hero at first, but then basically put on permanent leave from his work and now under virtual house arrest. These guys have just made more trouble for China than anything. If the PRC wanted to force this issue now, it would. It doesn't need some ultranationalist Cantonese to go and do it for them.

Everyone loses - except the newspapers and blogs.

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So why doesn't Japan invite China and take this dispute to the ICJ? It wants to so badly with Dokdo. Do I smell an odor of hypocrisy in the air?

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Sunnysideup, read my response above to Edgar at Aug. 17, 2012 - 06:45PM JST No there's no hypocrisy involved.

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Noda’s move was criticized by Tokyo’s nationalist Gov Shintaro Ishihara, who has declared his intention to buy the islands from their private owner.

“It is a distinct criminal case,” Ishihara told reporters in Tokyo. “We can’t call Japan a real law-governed country if it sends them back as mere illegal aliens.”

When will this buffoon realize that as the mayor of a city -- even the capital city -- it is not his job to comment on international disputes between multiple nations, and certainly not his job to criticize how his own nation handles attempts at illegal entry in another faraway prefecture?

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The reality is that in 1945 U.S. took over the islands and returned them, along with Okinawa, to Japan in 1972, a year after the mainland Chinese government had laid formal claim to the Senkaku islands. This history created real problems that still exist today. Japan still holds sovereignty over the Diaoyu, and China refuses to surrender any part of its traditional territory.

Chinese arguments for sovereignty are solid, but there are roadblocks that still keep China from fully enforcing its claim. One of the problem is the existence of two governments claiming to represent all of China. Both the PRC and the Republic of China on Taiwan claim sovereignty over the Diaoyu. If the historical records prove that the Diaoyu/Senkaku are Chinese territory, but which Chinese government should hold sovereignty?

Another problem is from U.S. involvement. After WWII, the U.S. incorporated the Diaoyu into the occupied territory of Okinawa. They set up a missile firing range at the Diaoyu, and used it periodically. When it came to returning Okinawa to Japan in 1972, the U.S. government included the Diaoyu in the package. Thus, sovereignty over the Diaoyu was given to Japan through the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations.

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At the very least, the Japanese should build some sort of structure (heliport?), and maybe even build a post office on the islands. That way they will have a better argument for ownership of the islands through greater affirmative acts of sovereignty on and around the disputed area.

Then, when China or Taiwan or whomever takes an official dispute to the ICJ, the Japanese will have better legal standing.

This is similar to what the Chinese have already done in the South China Sea, and what Korea has done with the Liancourt Rocks.

As the old expression goes, "Posession is 9/10ths of the Law." Make it yours, live on it, and it's yours. If you fall back on an ancient paper trail, the folks who are living on the land will claim you abandoned it, and they own it under homesteading rights...

(Oh, I wish I were an international lawyer...this is a wonderfully juicy debate!)

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Japan did it right, KICK the BAD DOG OUT OF YOUR ISLAND.

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sfjp330Aug. 18, 2012 - 04:05AM JST The reality is that in 1945 U.S. took over the islands and returned them, along with Okinawa, to Japan in 1972, a year >after the mainland Chinese government had laid formal claim to the Senkaku islands

Could you provide a link to substatiate this claim that China madea formal claim in 1944 please.

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OssanAmerica Aug. 18, 2012 - 07:49AM JST Could you provide a link to substatiate this claim that China madea formal claim in 1944 please.

"An important basis for the Chinese claim comes from a 1944 court ruling in Japan. In that year, the Tokyo court ruled that the islands are part of Taihoku Prefecture (Taipei Prefecture), following a dispute between Okinawa Prefecture and Taihoku Prefecture."

Source: http://andong.over-blog.com/article-179503.html

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sfjp330

A poster named Dog mentioned this on couple occasions so I'll copy/paste my response.

Martin Lohmeyer cites the following.

"The Court’s decision is neither known nor does the Court’s procedure have a solid legal value. Children of former witnesses reported about the Court procedure. The Court procedure, which has only allegedly taken place, lacks reliable sources. But it cannot be proven that the procedures took place or that a ruling was given."

Thanks for nothing again.

The BS is explained as follows.

これはおそらく那覇在住の中国人陳哲雄氏あたりからの情報のように思えるが、だいだい尖閣列島の領海内は、 戦前戦後を問わず漁業権の設定されているような水域ではなかったことである。このようなところで漁業権をめぐる争 いが法的におきる余地はない。またある記事は一九四四年といったり、陳氏は大正年間といい、常氏は年代をいわ ず、他方陳氏は大審院、常民は最高裁といった具合に、年代も一致せず、事件の内容もあきらりかでなく、具体性が まったくない。戦前の大審院と戦後の最高裁が、あたかも同一のものであるかのように扱われている。最高裁にせよ 大審院にせよ、最終審であるから、その前に事件か下級審で審理されたはずである。しかしこれらのことにはまった く触れていない。

To summarize, prior to the Pacific war, Japan did not set/stipulate fishing zones within domestic prefectures/territories. One article states that this so-called hearing took place during 1944, while another person claims it was done during the Taisho era, and another doesn't even state the year such hearing happened. In addition, one claims this took place at (大審院) which is the highest court before the end of the war while the other claim this happed in high court 最高裁 which is post war. In either case, if such hearing happened in those highest courts, there must of been a decision made by the lower courts prior to submitting this case to the higher courts.

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It's likely that between this incident and the Tokyo purchase, Japan will now feel forced to take more proactive control, which will undermine China's claim.

I think China's position can be summed up like this: You cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

I think it would be childish of Japan to not accept that incidents like this are going to happen and don't really change anything...not unless Japan chooses to take special action and thereby glorify the action of these protesters. Japan would be smarter to just repeat the process and not make a fuss. Then each time the futility of it all will drag these actions from the front page.

Blowhard politicians like Ishihara though only seek to use such events as soapboxes though, and relish having it get out of control, even to the point of war. Scum like Ishihara know how to profit from war.

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