Noda says China must protect Japanese citizens, companies as protests resume

China is living the dark ages. Mob rule on the one hand, autocracy on the other. This is not the middle kingdom, but rather the kingdom of extremes.

When will we see a truly modern Chinese society? I look forward to that day. Come on, China. You can do better.

I remember watching the Red Guards freak out in the 1960s. There must be something about their mass psychology, but Chinese don't seem to be able to restrain themselves, so once a big enough crowd forms they start running amok. It's interesting to see how Japanese have developed remarkably thick skin over this, sort of analogous to the scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian, where two Roman soldiers roll their eyes in disbelief as they watch rival factions of anti-Roman Judeans tear one another apart.

This sucks really....

China, implode explode or both, thats the question!

Clearly the CCP is damned scared of their own people, China cud very well end up destroying itself at this pace!

Is anyone in China actually calling for calm?

Let's just pray that no one gets hurt over there in China. Some of these Neanderthals over there are really getting out of hand.

On a beautiful early Autumn Sunday, every family in N. Asia would likely take a break in the parks & relax.. The issue must be significant enough to have mobilized many people to join in the demonstrations instead of taking a stroll in the green. Japanese media have indeed not launched full coverage of the Senkakus-Diaoyu Islands escalations, hence the public is not really understand the rationale behind the anti-J demonstrations outbreaks in China. Mishandling the issue would spark very prolonged hatred that in turn hurting the innocent people & companies caught in the crossfire. It is time for Messrs. Ishihara & Noda to defuse the crisis.

Is anyone in China actually calling for calm?

Most bloggers in China are denouncing mindless violence against Japanese nationals and extolling patriotism in a calm, rational manner. The media prefers to focus on the overly emotional demonstrators.

"Relations between Asia’s two biggest economies chilled in 2010 after Japan arrested a Chinese trawler captain whose boat collided with Japanese coastguard vessels near the islands."

The rammed the JCG vessel, rammed not just collided.

Reports by LD calls from friends who happened to be passing by the respective J embassy zone of beijing & Shanghai. Commuter transport canceled bus stops near the sensitive zone.. Large crowd of demonstrators are broken into small groups of 50 persons each time... Have to queue like the expo 2010 if you really want to demonstrate ( a few hours later ) . Except earlier days when police guard was symbolic, throwing a stone / bottle towards the embassy would imply the capacity of gold medal throwers. Hence, two events nominated for the next E.Asia Olymics -- marathon swimming ( Takeshima-Dokdo style ) & bottle throwing ( Shanghai J embassy style )..

Plenty of Chinese are stating this is dumb. The only people out there causing problems are those uneducated and angry - kind of like the idiots on the right wing here.

Now, Noda calls for protection while the Tokyo mayor has stated in the past that if there is a huge earthquake not to worry about anything except going out and killing non-Japanese Asians. Um.... anyone else see a problem there? Foreigners in Japan aren't protected by humans rights, murders of foreigners are treated better than if they killed a local... Come Noda, if you want China to play nice, you need to look at your foreign population as well. This is getting major play in the media but when it is a Chinese getting beaten does the story even make the news??

Both countries need to grow up and get their folks under control - the amount of China bashing I have heard from the locals here is pathetic and shocking. Thank god they have no notion of rioting or we'd be in a right mess.

I heard an interesting story from a retired Japanese trading firm businessman. He said this incident comes from DPJ's inexperiences in handling foreign affairs. It was a bad move that the Japanese government purchased the island from the Tokyo metropolitan government and promptly declared to nationalize Senkaku. According to him, they needed "nemawashi" with Chinese officials foregoing making the decision. Probably DPJ did not have influential networks to consult in China. Also, Hatoyama broke a good relationship with America and DPJ failed to get a good support from Clinton.

Can someone offer a rational counterpoint the following viewpoint…

Where is the legal footing for Japan to argue today with China, Korea and Russia (winning nations of the WW2) on any island disputes? How anybody with a right mind can support Japan’s argument?

The Potsdam Declaration, which was made on July 26, 1945 by the leaders of the Allied Forces and ACCEPTED by the defeated Japanese Empire, clearly stated that the after WW2 Japan has sovereignty over nothing more than its four main islands and some designated nearby minor islets. (Look it up in any history book or encyclopedia.) As a loser of WW2, among other penalties, Japan gave up Taiwan (and Diaoyu was under Taiwan jurisdiction both during Chinese dynasty and under Japanese Empire rule).

What? Japan and others want to overturn the result of WW2??

It is clear that the Chinese leadership is organizing the protests and then using them as an excuse to appear"moderate" when actually they caused the entire problem themselves. The islands in question are NOT part of China, and are private possesions that the owner has legally and rightfully decided to sell to whoever they choose. This is the free world, and the entire Pacific is not yet a Chinese lake. China began imperialistic moves when they invaded Tibet another totally free and independent nation which was NEVER part of China or any proto Chinese kingdom. But the Chinese are using the same tactics the Nazi's uses of the Big Lie, keep telling it long enough and people will start believing it. Let me repeat, the islands in question belong to Japan now. Japan is showing admirable restraint in the face of Chinese attempts to inflame the situation once again using their fledgling Naval forces to mirror the Western Imperialistic actions of a century ago. Have we not learned anything from all of that history?

So the "demonstrations" which are patently organized by the State itself are a farce. People are frustrated by being told to be angry and ten being denied a chance to express it. Violence against Japanese companies is just dumb, and I hope the Chinese realize that their staging all of this is already backfiring and making them look ridiculous for such a fuss over some tiny islands that never have belonged to them and hopefully never will. Thanks for good coverage of this, the western media is once again enchanted with the Arab drama which is another staged attempt by a political force to gain attention without any basis in fact.

I think they're basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years.

Jack Cafferty, CNN commentator

A right hand handshake with a fist with your left hand.

" if the Japanese government does not give back our territory, we should declare war,” one protester, a middle-aged Beijing woman " I wonder if she actually new what she was saying. Sorry but its really hard for me to digest this sort of rhetoric. Is she so disappointed with her life , that this is all she has to do.

I don't see there is to any single point that the Chinese people will turn violent demonstrations to their own government. The ones who've got this opinion don't really know about China.

Just draw a line down the middle of the rocks and give a half each to China and Japan-simple!

Where is the legal footing for Japan to argue today with China, Korea and Russia (winning nations of the WW2)

Korea didn't play a part in the Pacific War against the Japanese while Soviet Union came in at the end to kick Japan while they were already down after America had pretty much already beaten them.

“I believe we can overcome the problem if we keep in mind the broader viewpoint (of the bilateral ties).”

But let me guess, you'll refuse to budge on the island-buying and beg China's understanding and cooperation?

Where is the legal footing for Japan to argue today with China, Korea and Russia (winning nations of the WW2) on any island disputes? How anybody with a right mind can support Japan’s argument?

The legal footing is that although Japan did give up Taiwan, it was unclear wether the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands were included in the forfeited territory, due to different interpretations of the peace treaty of Shimonoseki between China and Japan in 1895.

It's the same pat position as with the Kuril islands really, with Russia saying Japan forfeited their claim on the islands after WW2, and Japan stating that although that may be true, Russia did not at that point claim the islands for themselves.

On a sidenote, China, or better to say the chinese government rather than the people, became interested in the islands only after crude oil and gas has been discovered in the seabed near the islands in the 60s, with the drillings being organised on initiative of Taiwan, which has recently been pushed aside and forgotten in this debate over the islands.

Actually, the whole country of Japan was a dependency of China. They used to pay tribute to the Chinese emperor. If that was the case, why would China not consider those islands as their own?

Even a Japanese scholar from Kyoto prepared a thesis demonstrating why they belong to China.

See: skycity,com/japan/diaohist.html (before it gets removed by the governement), or

http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/408511/thesis_fulltext.pdf

avigator: But I didn't read in any Japanese textbooks what you quoted! It CAN'T be true!!!

Correction, first reference should be: See: skycity.com/japan/diaohist.html

Correction to the reference from Canterbury. It should be:

http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/4085/1/thesis_fulltext.pdf

Smith Japan, I understand. The reference about Japan as a tributary to China led me to some archives written in Chinese. Maybe a scholar in Chinese can verify all the details.

I wonder if the protesters that are destroying all those buildings realize they have just taken thousands of jobs away from their own people. Thinking protesters THINK! You're only destroying your own economy.

And the links don't work, for me at least.

Correction: Posted before I saw your last post, the Canterbury-Link works.

This would be the perfect time to build something on the islands. I'm just curious to see if the Chinese government is goiing to start WWIII or run over it;s citizens with tanks again.

hereforeverSep. 16, 2012 - 07:22PM JST I wonder if the protesters that are destroying all those buildings realize they have just taken thousands of jobs away >from their own people. Thinking protesters THINK! You're only destroying your own economy.

Well...depending on how you look at it, you could say that he protesters are "creating " jobs. Somebody is going to hae to do the repairs when the dust settles.

I wonder if the protesters that are destroying all those buildings realize they have just taken thousands of jobs away from their own people. Thinking protesters THINK! You're only destroying your own economy.

This is what I always think when I see people rioting and looting. Idiots. Yes, what a fantastic idea! Ruin your community and companies ran by the locals who employee your locals... Idiots. All of them.

Ossan, building? Yes, what a wonderful idea - and then you turn around and blame the Chinese for a possible WWIII? Unreal. It takes two to tango. Who lit the spark? Ishihara. Japan isn't blame free in any of this. Far from it.

yupii,yupii!!!

In a further assertion of its sovereignty, China has been holding military drills near the disputed islands.

Chinese state television has showed footage of navel ships, submarines and aircraft conducting operations with live rounds on Saturday and Sunday. -Al jazeera Sept 16 2012

Japan needs to be honest about the situation, no one is being protected by being withheld serious information.

I wonder if the protesters that are destroying all those buildings realize they have just taken thousands of jobs away from their own people. Thinking protesters THINK! You're only destroying your own economy.

i have seen the data: eu is china's largest trading partner, followed by the united states, then japan, and africa. however, bilateral trades btw japan-china represents 25% of japan's external trades. both will be much affected, however, the impact will be felt much more severly on the japanese side.

Let this be a lesson to Japanese businessmen. They fed the snake , now run the risk of being bitten by the creature itself. Good job!

Japan does not need trade partners such as China and Korea, who do not respect intellectual property. Maybe at the start the Japanese economy, will feel a little jolt, but in the long run it will be good for the world, china and korea are destroying the economy and global stability. There are so many eager partners, to receive money and Japanese technology, such as india. Forget the china,let them continue to produce to mcdonalds dolls and trinkets to wal mart.

Even if USA say that they didn't want to be involved in this affair, they are involved since they gave those islands to Japan. So, since USA wants to keep a strong position in Asia, for their own interests, they must to do some efforts to solve this problem pacifically. They can't act like if this matter wasn't their business at all. This, or USA out from Asia for ever.

they didn't* want don't

more info @issa1

there are +10,000 japanese companies/enterprises in china, from this article: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?281777

money goes where the opportunities are. similarly, many china companies are also investing in china.

however, a recent article from china said that japan needs china more than china needs japan is indeed true.

@issa1

have u read this book? http://www.amazon.com/The-End-Cheap-China-Economic/dp/111817206X

typo error: money goes where the opportunities are. similarly, many china companies are also investing in china.

should be: ... investing in Japan ;)

@issa1 "Japan does not need trade partners such as China and Korea, who do not respect intellectual property. Maybe at the start the Japanese economy, will feel a little jolt, but in the long run it will be good for the world, china and korea are destroying the economy and global stability. There are so many eager partners, to receive money and Japanese technology, such as india. Forget the china,let them continue to produce to mcdonalds dolls and trinkets to wal mart."

The Japanese / US / German / French / Korean factories ( example : cars ) in China, > 12 million cars made per year, are meant to sell 99.9% of all cars on local market. One can move out all gadgetry sweatshops to other places, at the end of the day, these are market shares & profit these companies are eyeing at.

The real test will be tomorrow.... a Monday and time for all these protesters to go back to work..... if things are quiet in China tomorrow then we may be OK but if the protests continue that will be food for thought.

All the setting of fire, looting and damaging properties in the protests are completely wrong. I'm ethnically Chinese and I don't agree with that at all. But I can sort of understand their anger.

This is the time that Chinese people want against Japan government for occupying Chinese territory without any sorry. Though China government want their people to calm down, Chinese people don't. They want justice.

mano2012Sep. 16, 2012 - 09:02PM JST

there are +10,000 japanese companies/enterprises in china, from this article: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?281777

money goes where the opportunities are. similarly, many china companies are also investing in china.

however, a recent article from china said that japan needs china more than china needs japan is indeed true.

You're mistaken.

China depends almost entirely of Japanese technology. If Japanese companies decided to get out of china ,this red giant,will canyon below at soon!

lol then tell that to those 10k japanese owners, and the china companies who hold their own patents, or the german companies, korean and usa companies doing business in china,

because as i see it now, the japanese gov botched this unnecessary situations and chinese ppl will reject japanese products as well as losing jobs in china due to reduced workforce in japanese companise inside china. china will innovate rapidly. this is a side effect that japan gov failed to anticipate properly.

In the future, China will split apart like Russia. It's only a matter of time.

Of course somebody is controlling the strings of these protestors.

I wonder WHO ?

because as i see it now, the japanese gov botched this unnecessary situations and chinese ppl will reject japanese products as well as losing jobs in china due to reduced workforce in japanese companise inside china.

The Chinese market was always illusory. Japanese products were going to be locked out of the Chinese market anyway regardless of how Japan acted. Just look at what happened to Kawasaki and its high speed rail business in China. Look what happened with the Su-27 fighter jet. The Chinese cloned it and are now undercutting the Russians, a supposed ally.

Beijing's breakthrough came in 1996, when it paid Russia $2.5 billion for a license to assemble another 200 Su-27s at the Shenyang Aircraft Company. The agreement stipulated that the aircraft, to be called the J-11, would include imported Russian avionics, radars and engines and couldn't be exported. But after building 105, China abruptly canceled the contract in 2004, claiming the aircraft no longer met its requirements, according to Russian officials and defense experts. Three years later, Russia's fears were confirmed when China unveiled its own version of the fighter jet, the J-11B, on state television.

With business "partners" like that who needs enemies.

@house i dont disagree with what u said.

actually, i had advocated that china should have taken the other route by going with its own home grown high speed technologies. that was like +5 years ago. but its rail ministry decided to go with combinationof foreign technologies.

Barbaric racist behavior in China is not limited to territorial disputes. We all remember the hilarious but pathetic display of Chinese rage against ordinary Japanese soccer fans, when a Chinese mob chased Japanese fans from the stadium and attacked their buses. I guess the Japanese fans were all war criminals.

What we're witnessing today is normal Chinese behavior. The world expects nothing better -

It's most amusing to see posters of Mao held up by the rioters - Mao was the world's most prolific killer of Chinese - so funny.

Look, I'll solve this tiny little island dispute between China and Japan once and for all...

Japan - Stop erasing your horrific Chinese war crimes history from your record books, stop claiming islands that were sold to you by America during the colonial invasions of China, and stop hunting whales in the Pacific - then get back to me with your claim!

China - Free Tibet, allow freedom of religious expression for all minority groups, reform your government and become a democracy, stop allowing protests against Japan as a sneaky way to stir up nationalistic pride and keep your iron grip on power - then get back to me with your claim!

Problem solved :)

On a sidenote, China, or better to say the chinese government rather than the people, became interested in the islands only after crude oil and gas has been discovered in the seabed near the islands in the 60s, with the drillings being organised on initiative of Taiwan, which has recently been pushed aside and forgotten in this debate over the islands.

Thank you for making that very salient distinction, Faulknen. All this sabre rattling and verbal skirmishing is to whip up a furor in the public when frankly, relatively few benefits will trickle down to the average citizen. The profits will sink into some multinational / public ministry's pockets, with little tangible benefit to the common man or woman. If people are going to debate this intelligently, it would be good to be mindful that's it's governments we are talking about here -- no need to be senseless and treat another human being like garbage just because they happen to be Japanese, Chinese, Korean... that is completely irrational.

Nationals from each respective country need to understand this -- but as with most things involving human society in general, I don't think we can hold our collective breath on that one.

Wow that eye patch on Noda's face makes him look a lot more cool than he really is. It must be Cap'n Noda scourge of the South China Sea!

Rationalism and Nationalism, though sounding very similar, do not belong together. Very sad indeed.

Japan does not need trade partners such as China and Korea, who do not respect intellectual property.

Then do something about it. End diplomatic relations with Korea and China, instead of keep mouthing off about it. Yeah thought so. Can't do it because Japan's too scared and its already pathetic economy will crash, but nobody would care. Brave worthless words.

issa1Sep. 16, 2012 - 09:25PM JST

China depends almost entirely of Japanese technology. If Japanese companies decided to get out of china ,this red giant,will canyon below at soon!

Which parallel universe are you living in?

Oh, the japanese one..... say no more.

China needs Japan like I need my fudosan.

The Japanese / US / German / French / Korean factories ( example : cars ) in China, > 12 million cars made per year, are meant to sell 99.9% of all cars on local market. One can move out all gadgetry sweatshops to other places, at the end of the day, these are market shares & profit these companies are eyeing at.

As long as violent riots happening sometimes against Japanese anything in China, most Japanese factories would willingly move to another countries such as India, Russia, Ukraine (Eastern Europe countries), Thailand, Myanmar,,,etc in near future although China is right now the biggest factory for all automakers. Actually many Japanese (but not automaker) companies and factories (they decided) are moving slowly out of China to more favorable countries which have much less hatred of Japan or already forgave Japan's war crime. China will be no doubt a big risk for Japanese companies sooner or later.

Chucky

You are still hanging on the tragedy long time ago,,, in 1923. I've heard it. Look, Time was very bad for Koreans and all people at that time. I think that today most Japanese do not blame ordinary Korean people at all about the dispute but the government. As for violent riots in China, most civilized countries think it is unacceptable that any act of patriotism is not a crime although ordinary Chinese people are assuming it as nothing wrong in China.

As an Asian raised and educated in Europe, I am very ashamed by the conduct of the Chinese people and felt compelled to express it. Imagine that the German were to come out and claim Alsace Lorraine or the French were to riot - not that some youths of dubious extraction don't do exactly that - German factories should the German mention anything about that. Why does that not happen? Consider this: while Japan, France and Germany enjoy a similar level of education of their people, China is showing the world the power of illiterate mobs.

Here is a protest in Japan? https://www.box.com/s/2dnktsicc1qezzxigbvw

https://www.box.com/s/t9iqlx5fcunyq0io944b

https://www.box.com/s/85j2xlwetxf6dwei3s4f

https://www.box.com/s/vo7vht1fem1wmxuvz31w

CrisGerSan, Faulknen, etc - - - Let me modify and ask the question again:

Where is the legal footing for Japan to argue today with China, Korea and Russia (all nations on the winning side of the WW2) on any island disputes? How anybody with a right mind can support Japan’s argument?

The Potsdam Declaration, which was made on July 26, 1945 by the leaders of the Allied Forces and ACCEPTED by the defeated Japanese Empire, clearly stated that the after WW2 Japan has sovereignty over nothing more than its four main islands and some designated nearby minor islets. (Look it up in any history book or encyclopedia.) As a loser of WW2, among other penalties, Japan gave up Taiwan (and Diaoyu was under Taiwan jurisdiction both during Chinese dynasty and under Japanese Empire rule).

At 1971, when Diaoyu was included in the US return of Okinawa administration to Japan, both Taipei and Beijing lodged official diplomatic protest protested and people demonstrated in the streets. US even now have no position on the sovereignty of this island. So this is NOT a newly found Chinese interest in Diaoyu.

What? Japan and others want to overturn the result of WW2??

Japan escalated this issue by: (a) refusing to recognize this is a disputed island and (b) officially nationalized the island.

Japan central government has awkwardly forced China's hand. Now China has been compelled to send 8 ships into the Diaoyu Island as a part of national response in order pacify the internal outcries and maintain its legitimacy.

I thought Japanese politicians are smarter than that after WW2! We will see a new Prime Minister in Japan soon.

Some good comments here, truly China is a backward country in spite of major physical growth, you cannot drag an entire huge nation into the 21st century without some transition. They still think in terms of brute force and of them against us. The modern world is inter connected to a high degree and we all need each other..unless you have a stone age view of the universe such as the high Chinese Leadership and the common person on the street it appears both of whom are reacting at the lowest level. Japan is a civilized country with a very high culture and long history,and is showing its quality currently with restraint but resolve. I am glad to see both.

@fw360

(and Diaoyu was under Taiwan jurisdiction both during Chinese dynasty and under Japanese Empire rule).

Nice try lets see where that was written within the Potsdam, San Francisco peace treaty or any other ratified treaties by Japan.

SamuraiBlue - -

No. It is obviously not in the Potsdam, etc international treaties. The fact that "Diaoyu was under Taiwan jurisdiction both during Chinese dynasty and under Japanese Empire rule" is in Japanese government and Chinese government references. (I cannot teach you everything. This is a homework left for the students to do.)

I hope Japanese Companies will think about exiting China and move somewhere else in Asia. Japanese families in China should be moving back to Japan. Some one can lose life if he or she was in wrong place at wrong time. Communist Chinese Government and its peoples are wanted to hang on to the past. Like this Anti-Japan protest will happen again and again in China. Japanese Companies doing business in China is not worth any more. Hostility of Communist Chinese Government and its peoples are growing toward Japan. So let put investment in friendly and peaceful environment for Japanese Company.

This will never end!! The Japanese they are so quite tired on hearing about comfort women, nanjing massacre.

Chinese and Koreans will always use this excuse to attack the Japanese, no matter how many times the Japanese people apologize.

Ryu-1inOH - -

You made very good points… on looking and moving forward instead of backwards.

I thought Mr. Deng XiaoPing was such a statesman by tabling the Diaoyu issue with the previous generation of Japanese officials, and move forward the Sino-Japanese peaceful relationship in the last century.

But the current crop of politicians, e.g. Mr. Noda, have clumsily handled the current island dispute on Diaoyu (and other island disputes with Korea and Russia). Instead of cooling they irritate the dispute for no reason, no solution, and no benefit to either Japanese or Chinese.

If it would not be these islands it would be something else. There is always the millions of Chinese kill by Japan. Japanese in China need to leave NOW! Shut down operations and LEAVE before you are killed. They think their many years in China will protect them but it will not. This mob will only accept blood! First Japanese and other foreigners and then the political opposition to Vice President Xi. China has a history of mob violence and millions of people dying is historical fact.

issa1-- While I disagree with the Chinese and Korean governments using the history issue as an argument in every political dispute, the Japanese politicians are completely at fault for continuing to give them ammunition. In Japanese culture, doesn't an apology only count if the sinner shows sincere self-reflection? You say "no matter how many times the Japanese people apologize," but complete or partial denials are common from high-ranking officials.

It's not enough for a few politicians to occasionally make a perfunctory apology. They are the exception rather than the norm. It needs to be widespread and expected behavior for a Japanese politician to show remorse for WW2. If even a few German politicians deny the Holocaust, do we let it go and say "well, they've apologized enough, and all the Nazis are dead anyway"? The ultimate proof that Japanese acknowledgement of war crimes is lacking is the widespread ignorance of the issue shown by Japanese people. Many have never even heard of the Nanjing Massacre, have no idea where anti-Japanese sentiment comes from, and don't understand why peaceful Japan suffered the atomic bombs. For the Chinese and Koreans to forgive and forget would be akin to a mother forgiving a murderer who killed her son and then told everyone she complains too much.

I am at a loss. What is the problem here? The islands belong to a Japanese family. The Tokyo government want to purchase the islands, if this goes ahead the islands still belong to Japanese. The status-quo remains. So is it the islands or what is in the seabed surrounding the islands!

Japanese, that protesting is absolutely not a punch of people’s doing, neither Chinese government planning. That is the voice of 1.3 billion Chinese. Japan invaded China and occupied whole Korea, its close neighbors, killing countless innocent Chinese and Korean. And now Japan denies the guilty it did, refuses to talk with China about Diaoyu Island which was actually belonged to China, instead made situation worse by purchasing the island. What you want, Japan? Peace or war. And what kind of war?!!

Noda says China must protect Japanese citizens, companies as protests resume

The Japanese people need to wake up to reality. The war has begun!!!

I hope the Japanese pull all their factories out of China and move them to the USA.... our currency is now weaker, our middle class is almost gone making wages lower, cities would give tax breaks just to get some jobs and you would not have to ship the end product that far.

fw360

Where is the legal footing for Japan to argue today with China, Korea and Russia (winning nations of the WW2) on any island disputes? How anybody with a right mind can support Japan`s argument? The Potsdam Declaration, which was made on July 26, 1945 by the leaders of the Allied Forces and ACCEPTED by the defeated Japanese Empire, clearly stated that the after WW2 Japan has sovereignty over nothing more than its four main islands.

Please read San Francisco peace treaty!!!

The Potsdam Declaration, and Cairo Declaration functioned as a preparatory documents for SF treaty if we look back chronologically on these documents, after allies and Japan extracted WW2 all responsibilities at the International Military Tribunal for the Far East between 1946 May 3rd and1948 November 12th organized by all allies. 1068 people got a capital punishment and other penalties, then finally in 1951, Japan and the world reached the peace treaty in San Francisco. So the document fw360 is talking about is before SF treatment. SF treatment #2 lists what Japan has lost, #3 lists what Japan may keep such as Takeshima or some of islands became the under rule of allies such as Okinawa prefecture. China said nothing and accepted the SF treaty then. Okinawa Senkaku islands were returned by USA to Japan in 1972.Again, China said nothing then.

China took a control of Paracel Islands in1974, then 1995,after the US left from Filipin,China built their military base on Spratly Islands , China is showing their presence in South Asia, China plmulgated an unilateral teritorical water law in 1992 at Senkaku area which is the baseless law becasue Senkaku has recognaized as Japan based on SF treaty(As US occupation then) China must solve the issue at ICJ now, Not with China`s famous tactical deception and violence by the people right now to increase some social presser on Japan.

Why the police there do nothing much. When a demonstration committed by Uighur people,Tibetan people, I remember the government of China firmly suppress the demonstration. The bottom line is that this is not a demonstration but crimes as a reflection of the Jiang Zemin Administration enacted the "patriotism educational implementation guideline" in 1994.

There is a record.Directions were taken out with the meeting in which the diplomatic authorities, such as an ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary who resides "that a history issue is emphasized from beginning to end, and saying it moreover while continuing telling Japan the Taiwan problem thoroughly must be CONTINUED FOREVER", in August, 1998. Anti-Japan sentiment increases by Jiang Zemin's anti-Japanese policy in China, and simultaneously disagreeable also in Japan -- inside consciousness became strong.

PS. Let me apology that I had my misspelling. That was(promulgated) NOT plmulgated . I am sorry. Chamkun

I would guess that less than 1% of the population in China and Japan even care about this issue. Unfortunately, 1% in China is a hell of a lot of people. My friend in Northern China told me that no one up there is making much of a fuss, but it is all over the news.

One way to the combat Chinese violence is to tax Chinese import to Japa to pay compensation to the Japanese that are injured.

Why the police there do nothing much. When a demonstration committed by Uighur people,Tibetan people, I remember the government of China firmly suppress the demonstration. The bottom line is that this is not a demonstration but crimes as a reflection of the Jiang Zemin Administration enacted the "patriotism educational implementation guideline" in 1994.

It is no doubt that China took over Tibet and Uighur and the countries which should be an independent state are actually under Chinese colonial rule like Japan did the stupidest crime once in the past. Ordinary Chinese people assume that any act of patriotism is not a crime even if they broke the law. It is unacceptable for most civilized countries, except communist countries.

Chamkun - -

Appreciate your rational discussion. Thank to your encouragement, I did just now read the San Francisco Treaty of 1951.

My comments:

*Article 3 of the Treaty did mention RyuKyu Islands. But the issue here is that China argues that Diaoyu/Senkaku is NOT part of RyuKyu.

*You stated: China said nothing and accepted the SF treaty then. Okinawa Senkaku islands were returned by USA to Japan in 1972. Again, China said nothing then. That is NOT true. China objected in both cases. (a) On Aug 15 and Sep 18 of 1951 PRC published statements denouncing the treaty, stating that it was illegal. PRC did not sign the treaty. (b) On the 1972 transfer of RyuKyu administration from US to Japan, both PRC and ROC denounced its inclusion of Diaoyu. There were demonstrations in the streets. Actually the current president of ROC, Mr. Ma, was one of the student leaders in those demonstrations.

themiddleway@-

Am greatly impressed with your easy solution to this mess. Next is your wisdom in solving the problems in the other parts of the world.

communist government forces its people to protest is normal , im from a communist country i experienced too much , if one dont show up for the required protest of the communist , that one will be in trouble . i and people in my home town had been forced to do that several time a year before to come to the US . if we do not know we might think it is its willingness , but if you know clearly then the protesters should be pitied , because they can not refuse to . communist government is the super liar

exactly how many centuries have you guys been slugging it out with china back and forth by now. Don't you see the power you would gain by forging an alliance in these times of trial ? over like, well ... everywhere where it's going down and bad ? Old wounds ... hard healing