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Would this fee only be collected at the Kansai Airport?

Can someone explain why Japanese tourists would not be charged a fee?

29 ( +36 / -7 )

Places like Nepal and a few other SE Asian countries usually have local and tourist prices.

To enter the central area of Katmandu they have different fees for tourists from SAARC and non-SAARC countries.

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Can someone explain why Japanese tourists would not be charged a fee?

They'll likely add this in fees like hotels and as you've mentioned airports where you need to show your passport. This will make the booking a hotel experience a problem since you will probably need to provide evidence that you are a resident.

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I guess the majority of tourists won't care about a few hundred yen. People flying into Kansai are not all tourists. Very difficult to introduce.

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We want foreign visitors to enjoy Osaka and try to realize a coexistence with local residents through the beautification of towns,"

What kind of BS nonsense is this??

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This is Ridiculous, I keep hearing about OVERTOURISIM !!

No problem Just put a limit on the number of visitors coming to Japan, so people can plan ahead and stay away.

Then visitors will plan to go somewhere else like China, Korea, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Australia, Europe where they will be more than welcomed.

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If they’re so worried about “overtourism,” why don’t they just scrap the plans for those large casino resorts? They've been controversial from the get-go.

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Yes, monetize on tourism, the goal was that anyway.

So, every foreigner fiscal resident of Japan will have to show its ID to prove his residence and being exempted from the scheme ?

I have been asked for my ID a few times which I refused to show and explained I was a resident. Could have to do it now too.

Personally, I do not go to Osaka, so this is not an issue.

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we're also going to have to argue with tourist police over an entry fee to Kansai

There's simply no way they can levy a per-night, per-area fee at arriving flights. Who would even collect it there? It would have to be the airline, like they levy the ¥1000 exit tax right now. And how would they know where and how long a passenger stays?

I don't see this levied anywhere else but in hotels and minpaku, on top of the already existing accomodation fee.

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Osaka's not playing the long game, as these little money games never pan out well, destroys goodwill.

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It will be a good Idea to let people know what is awaiting them before they plan their trips to Japan or anywhere,

Don't shaft them after the fact like what many tour company scammers do.

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possibly timing it around the start of the World Exposition in western Japan in April 2025

Ah, there we have it. Beautification of towns? Pull the other one. Someone has to pay for the expo. It's not gonna be cancelled now, no matter what. Too many vested interests. The Osaka taxpayers might baulk.

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@Antiquesaving

Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

Many countries are doing just that. France is now looking at it for Le Louvre so nothing unique.

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Seems like I have to pull out my resident card at hotels when they ask for a passport anyway. I do remember staying at one place in the last 6 months where I was not asked for any identification. It felt liberating. I am not interested in visiting Osaka anyway, but worry that this idea might spread to other places in Japan. Fortunately, in most places there are plenty of places to stay at less than 7000 yen a night.

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sakurasaki

Rakuraku

Many countries are doing just that. France is now looking at it for Le Louvre so nothing unique.

That means France becoming, third world countries.

https://www.abc.net.au/everyday/is-it-reasonable-to-pay-tourist-prices-when-travelling-overseas/11395356

Anyway that place is not longer nice anymore, only in glamorous movie.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/paris-syndrome-culture-shock-sickness-sends-japanese-tourists-packing/t8a332he2

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Thanks for you article. Actually it is a confirmation that Le Louvre is already doing it. I thought it was just under consideration.

But I do not see anything in the article saying that France is a third word country because of this pricing differential strategy. They just give examples of developing and developed countries doing it.

Actually many other developed countries are doing it as well.

Several comments saying that Japan (and France in you case) are developing countries are meaningless in my opinion.

Regarding the Paris syndrome it has been described for 50 years. Nothing new. And yes Paris is dirty, polluted, noisy. Public transport are bad with repetitive strikes.Parisian are often not welcoming (people are much better is the countryside) but France is still a beautiful country. For me it is the most beautiful in the world along Spain and Italy. But to each his personal preferences.

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Great. Not only are we going to be harassed by hotel staff ignorantly demanding to see and photocopy our passports, we're also going to have to argue with tourist police over an entry fee to Kansai.

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I must have been in Japan too long because my thoughts were immediately "do parts of Osaka-fu that are not covered by Osaka-shi have an overtourism problem?" Why isn't Osaka-shi, which includes Doutomburi etc, doing this? Do Toyonaka and Kawachi-Nagano (non-Osaka-shi parts of Osaka fu) have an overtourism problem?

With the Expo, I suspect the actual fear is undertourism relative to the vast build cost.

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Last Christmas we drove all the way from Tokyo to Osaka to meet up my wife's parents and go to our trip abroad from Kansai Airport so we could all go to/from the airport by car and also solve any issues as they are not used to go abroad very often.

Imagine a whole family of 7 returning to Japan and the only foreigner getting singled out "hey you! 1000yen to 'visit' Osaka. Credit or cash?".

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Since the Osaka prefectural and city governments plan to open a so-called integrated resort featuring casinos in 2030 on Yumeshima, an artificial island in the Osaka Bay and the venue for the 2025 Expo, the prefecture needs measures to mitigate the impact of "overtourism," according to Yoshimura.

So the government spent a load of money on 2 projects that will not be profitable, so now it is going to try and blame foreigners for it and gouge them for as much money as they can!

Here is and idea, don't have the expo don't open the casino!

Problem solved!

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International travelers pay more entry fees to more countries than they realize. A lot of entry fees are added to your airline ticket price and collected by countries from the Airlines. I may be wrong but I actually thought Japan was one of them.

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A "good" tax has two characteristics: it is cheap to collect and does not change behavior in a negative way. That is why paying for roads by taxing at the pump is "better" than paying a man to sit at a toll booth, and why "sin" taxes (those on tobacco and alcohol) are so high in many countries: to discourage consumption.

How this new tax will affect visits to Osaka, both in numbers and sentiment, and how it will be collected remain to be seen. On the surface, though, it appears unnecessarily complicated and prone to misunderstanding both by the collector and payer.

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Why not. Happens in other places that have problems with overtourism too. As long as the revenue is used for appropriate mesures and not for a bunch of amakudari pet projects. Ah, who are we kidding...

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AntiquesavingToday  10:52 am JST

Rakuraku

Today 10:39 am JST

Another person confusing a tourist site and and accomodations site!

Questions:

If you visit France do you have to visit the Louvre?

If you visit France do you have to find accomodations?

One is a choice you can avoid the other isn't unless you plan on sleeping on the streets or staying with friends or family!

Foreign tourists are not forced to go to Osaka either. I do not see the difference. Actually I think they are better places but again just my personal opinion. The only exception are people traveling on business who do not have choice indeed.

Have a nice day!

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They’ll probably decide your status based on your visa or passport. If you have anything other than a tourist visa, you’ll probably have to pay a thousand yen or something. Given the price of flights these days compared to just a few years ago, it’s a drop in the ocean.

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They should charge 20 bucks to everyone who takes a photo in front of that Glico sign.

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The leaders and bureaucrats showing their sublime sense of vision yet again. The thing is though, we all know ( and so do they ) no matter what hey skim from the top people will still come in droves. Free money for the taking I guess. Statements like this though don’t help.

We want foreign visitors to enjoy Osaka and try to realize a coexistence with local residents through the beautification of towns," Osaka Gov. Hirofumi Yoshimura told reporters.

Can’t believe they are still throwing the term ‘overtourism’ around, after all those years to prepare during covid. You really have to really ask, what exactly are they good for?

Lining their pockets it seems.

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Yeah, this isn’t going anywhere.

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Government policies are wrecking economies, so they are all looking for new income. Top of the list are fining tech companies for what users do and taxing tourists. It's happening everywhere.

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So they are spending billions on this stupid Casino for the express purpose of luring more foreign tourists to Osaka while at the same time proposing to charge a tax on foreign tourists coming to Osaka to dissuade so many from arriving since its causing an "overtourism" problem??????

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Why so many people are angry about this? It is a failry common practice...

Places like Greece and Venice have this kind of taxation at city level... and I've heard (though I am not sure if its real) that New Zeland also have a tourist tax.

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@Antiquesaving

Did you read my comment of you are just mad because the seasons?

I am nos discussing with you about how, why or for what end a "tourism tax" is implemented. That sort of tax exist is all that I am saying.

By the way, as you stated in your comment it is stll a proposal which as you fervantly pointing it has it holes. Specifically, how can you identify a japanese tourist from a none japanese tourist.. if the proposal is a go, I suspect there will be changes.

You keep saying "third world countries"... so Italiy, US and Spain are third wordl countries?? (did you know that term is derogatory also?).

...calm down, I am not fighting you... although you semm you wanna pick a fight though.

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I went there once and still feel miffed I didn't get a refund.

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As mentioned many times before, Japan is THE place to be - and be seen - in 2024. Top of all the major International "must see" travel lists.

500-1000 Yen/day surcharge will not make any difference in terms of numbers - they will continue their exponential growth. But it will be used to maintain the streets and keep the cities spotless. Just as the 2000 Yen climbing fee for Fujisan will help maintain its pristine condition.

Good..

Don't like it, don't go..

Plain and simple..

Might be a good thing you are not promoting a Visit Japan campaign!

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Ultimately Japan is extremely cheap right now due to the weak Yen and the Government setting the tone for corporations to keep wages low for the last 35 years. With the low wages companies are able to keep the cost of goods and services down. Let Osaka enact the tax... but how many of us actually believe the Politicians in that city can be trusted to spend the money wisely? Not me...

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Tourists enjoy tax-free shopping.

https://livejapan.com/en/article-a0000238/

Rate of the International Tourist Tax

1,000 yen per departure from Japan

https://www.nta.go.jp/english/taxes/indirect/pdf/leaflet2.pdf

No tipping.

Swings and roundabouts.

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The prefecture currently levies an accommodation tax of 100 to 300 yen on room fees of 7,000 yen or more per night, whether the guests are Japanese or foreign nationals

They don't actually mention anything about foreign specific fees, so not sure why it says it's targeting foreigners. Either way trying to hand pick foreigners is discrimination on another scale. I can understand having some kind of fee entering the country etc, but trying to make people pay more or less based on their nationality while they are in the country is absurd, which of course will be based on looks, so you have to prove that you are a resident unless you "look" Japanese. Making foreign looking people feel even more unaccepted than they already are, at the same time as Japan is hoping to attract more foreign workers, stupidity at it's best.

People often target Europe or America when talking about racism and inequality but Countries here in Asia and it's people are the one's that have had the least amount of exposure to racism, most haven't lived abroad and they have no idea how it is to be treated differently because of their looks and race, so when they make rules like this they have no idea how it might affect the people it's targeting.

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The article is about adding more tax only on foreigners!

So it seems. There are various "tourist" charges around the world, and they are generally understandable. They apply to all visitors. But if this only applies to foreigners, it is a little ugly. Will it apply to me when I next go to Osaka, not as a tourist but simply to visit family?

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I have never understood why foreign tourists go to Osaka in the first place. It is like a smaller Tokyo but with even less tourist attractions. Once you've seen the castle, eaten takoyaki and okoniyaki there is really not much more to Osaka. There are so many nicer places in Japan.

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Osaka wants to charge tourists while Kyoto wants to stop them.

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I assume they would only be able to apply a special cheat tax to international flights that are direct to Osaka. So fly to Tokyo then take a national flight to Haneda airport. or take a bullet train just for the experience.

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@Rakuraku

Could you provide any reliable link about your claim France is looking at charging different fee depending of citizenship for Le Louvre entrance ?

Actually they are not, the closest one is for residence ship and only concern young people : thus a French 24yo living in China and a French 27yo living in France will have to pay but a Chinese 24yo living in Germany will not have to pay.

https://www.louvre.fr/en/visit/hours-admission#visitors-eligible-for-free-admission

People are not targeting the idea of taxing non resident tourists but adding on top of it a tax only targeted only at foreign one. Resident pay yearly tax ; Tourist pay tourist fee both help the budget of the place they pay their tax/fee to. These are not citizenship related. But having a specific tax targeted at foreign tourist create an issue as that discriminate between people for no reason other that their citizenship. You will have 2 people which only have different citizenship pay a different price. Thinking of people with dual nationality, you will even have the same person paying a different price depending of the passport they show.

If we go back to Le Louvre most likely they get part of their founding from France and Europe thus it is understandable they cut price for some people which contribute to these founding out of their tax but not to people which not. It could also just business related : make entrance free to get them to come as paying customer in the future.

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Here's an article giving details on some of the other countries that charge some form of tourist tax.

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/01/05/tourist-taxes-all-of-the-countries-you-will-have-to-pay-to-enter-in-2022

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Here's an article giving details on some of the other countries that charge some form of tourist tax.

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/01/05/tourist-taxes-all-of-the-countries-you-will-have-to-pay-to-enter-in-2022

From what I see it's either a tourism tax aimed at everyone staying at hotels etc, not specific to foreigners, or that it's charged when entering the country. Only one I see that is different is the Venice one, where people living in Venice and their relatives don't have to pay. I think the main point is that it's weird to tax someone based on nationality once you are in the country.

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Yoshimura is a member of the Young Global Leaders of the World Economic Forum.

They are a race of people who only care about money.

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@Rakuraku

Several comments saying that Japan (and France in you case) are developing countries are meaningless in my opinion.Regarding the Paris syndrome it has been described for 50 years. Nothing new. And yes Paris is dirty, polluted, noisy. Public transport are bad with repetitive strikes.

50 years? So that just proved that tourist being taxed in many way government want but those money won't go back to facility that can give current or future tourist good experience. That just another way to milking cash that being used for something else, just like what third world countries do.

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I have never understood why foreign tourists go to Osaka in the first place.

A great place to live, but not so great to visit. :-)

But one of the benefits for tourists is that it's conveniently located for visiting other places - Kyoto, Nara, Kobe, Koya-san, the prison in Sakai, etc.

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@mark,

Then visitors will plan to go somewhere else like China, Korea, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Australia, Europe where they will be more than welcomed.

If you have ever been to Thailand, youl realise that Thailand is so blatant at robbing us falang, corrupt police demanding four times more than Thai nationals, museum charge way more than local residents, taxis over charge, ( if they can get away with it )

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Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

Japan already charges non-residents additional fees upon exiting. Which laws would that violate?

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So, foreign visitors would have to pay a fee -- but not Japanese visitors from places like Hokkaido, Tohoku, Tokyo, Kyushu, etc.?

Seems very discriminatory to me.

Imagine if Hawaii charged Japanese tourists, but not American tourists, a fee in order to enter the state. The complaints would be deafening.

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Now how is this going to work?

If I put the room in my name they tax me if I put it in my wife's name they don't?

You are a resident in Japan I know. So you won't be taxed. Neither will your wife.

Your family/friends from overseas who are not residents WILL be taxed.

I assume the staff will check everyone's residential status at check-in and levy the taxes accordingly.

Skip Osaka!

Cmon, man. We are talking a coin or two for foreign tourists to pay. Osaka is a marvelous city and shouldn't be skipped!

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Jim

Today 11:20 am JST

Many countries have departure tax’s levied for tourist which is around $100 plu

No they don't!

They have airport tax, landing tax, etc...but they are applied to everyone, not just foreign tourists!

When anyone flies into those airports they pay the tax, it is not based on citizenship!

So if you are pushing for that, remember it will apply to you also!

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Personally, I do not go to Osaka, so this is not an issue.

Thanks for sharing.

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They have airport tax, landing tax, etc...but they are applied to everyone, not just foreign tourists!

Japan has an exit tax that exclusively applies to non-residents, which is levied by the airlines. Did I mention that before? Did you ignore that before?

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Osaka Prefecture eyes collecting fixed fee for inbound tourists from 2025

Former Osaka resident. Putting aside the question of how this will be administered, who will benefit?

The tax will go for the tourist promotion bureau and 2025 needless Expo extravaganza, while the majority of Japanese workers servicing this tourism "boom" see ...almost nothing from their non-living wage jobs at the end of the month as they try to pay municipal and national taxes.

I doubt tourists will feel the pinch but the workers under this slavish shift to a tourist based economy have surely been feeling it.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Travel-Leisure/Tourists-return-to-Japan-but-where-are-the-workers

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I wrote in my initial text about Le louvre

RakurakuToday  08:37 am JST

@Antiquesaving

Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

Many countries are doing just that. France is now looking at it for Le Louvre so nothing unique.

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I used the word « looking at it » in my text above. I did not write that it had been decided.

And again foreign tourists are no more forced to go Osaka when they visit Japan than foreigners are forced to go to Le Louvre when they visit France. Same in both cases. Nobody is forced to do anything thanks god.

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Most resident foreigners already pay through their taxes. To people calling this additional fee for non-resident tourists "discriminatory" - no, not everything is discriminatory and no, they won't get scared because you shout "discrimination!!" louder. Foreign tourists make usage of services (infrastructure, etc) that are supported nowadays mostly through taxation of residents. I'd prefer my taxes to be used in different directions, such as building more hospitals. So no, it's not discriminatory and no, it's not breaking any laws. You don't like it? Vote with your tourist money and spend it somewhere else.

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Imagine if Hawaii charged Japanese tourists, but not American tourists, a fee in order to enter the state. The complaints would be deafening.

They actually do have something like that. It's called ESTA. I know several people who travel into the U.S. who hate it. The system to apply for it often breaks down and is too convoluted. It also costs a lot and is a ripoff.

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@Antiquesaving

Counter point

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240306-the-new-costs-of-travel-that-tourists-should-know

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300 yen. 99.9% won’t even know any difference

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It's good or bad?

For me, as I live and pay taxes here, any funds that come outside of the resident taxation system are a good thing. I don't think tourists will cancel their plans just because of an extra 1-2000 yen to pay, but if they do, good on them!

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Separate from the issue of whether cities anywhere should be charging tourist fees/taxes when generally visitors already pay a premium on so many expenses, somebody here used the word 'over tourism' in relation to Osaka. That needs a good laugh.

Osaka doesn't have that problem - the only time it seemed to was when the Chinese tourist wave was at its highest in places like Nara. Yes it was annoying to go there and see how much Nara had changed in terms of a lot more tourists and some irresponsible behavior towards the deer, but was hardly an example of the real over tourism in Paris, London, Rome and other great cities of the world.

What is really happening is Osaka is another Japanese city dealing with debt and charging foreign tourists extra fees is one way of clawing some more money. This Expo that is set to happen is already over budget and everything you can see about it says big non event waste of taxpayer funds.

The new fee is problematic because unlike Paris or Rome where the city charges help preserve amazing monuments to great cultural innovation like Gothic cathedrals in Paris and the most amazing artwork I've ever seen in Italy, there's no comparison in Osaka. And the logistics of targeting only foreign tourists is just dumb.

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This, of course, is the perfect opportunity for other towns in Japan to attract tourists.

Large signboards stating "Tourists welcome! No charge!" perhaps?

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It seems that fee here read properly or missed this part!

The prefecture currently levies an accommodation tax of 100 to 300 yen on room fees of 7,000 yen or more per night, whether the guests are Japanese or foreign nationals. Yoshimura suggested the proposed amount of the fixed fee around the same.

This seems to suggest the tax would be collected by hotels, etc... which for them means more expenses as they will need to change/modify their accounting system to charge one price for Japanese and one price for foreigners!

They cannot collect at airports that is the national government and arrive via another city then train to Osaka how would they collect?

No as it seems to say in this poorly explained article, it would be a surcharge on foreigners for accommodations (hotel etc ..)

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RakurakuToday  08:37 am JST

@Antiquesaving

Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

Many countries are doing just that. France is now looking at it for Le Louvre so nothing unique.

Faulty comparison.

It's one thing for a country to charge a small fee for an entry visa. It's also one thing for a particular attraction, like the Louvre, to charge an admission fee.

Those are entirely different from a municipality charging a separate fee just to visit it as a tourist.

This Osaka plan would be like a Japanese tourist having to pay the ESTA fee to enter the U.S. (fair enough in itself) -- but then having to pay an additional $15 or $20 fee to the state of Hawaii if they plan to go there. A fee that an American visitor from the mainland U.S. wouldn't have to pay.

That's a much more logical comparison, no? And hopefully it illustrates how misguided the Osaka plan is.

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Casinos will be the down fall of Osaka!

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Japan is a smart, advanced country, it doesnt need these 3rd world tactics to scam a few hundred yen out of tourists.

One of the best things said about Japan from tourists coming here is the conveniency, flat prices for all and no tipping culture.

Demand a few hundred yen from these people and they might change their minds completely.

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Fighto!

Today 09:49 am JST

Cmon, man. We are talking a coin or two for foreign tourists to pay

So is the stuff at the ¥100 store but you don't see them giving the stuff away!

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Well, I guess I won't be going to Osaka again. And, please, no whining about "They don't need you anyway."

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So your claim it applies only to non residents is incorrect, it applies to everyone with the exception of airline staff and diplomats etc..

Thank you, I gladly stand corrected.

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That's in practice just only a new 'hidden' head tax for everyone, or at least everyone who ever leaves own city limits for any reason, because surely all other cities and area will follow in return and demand similar fees. Such all citizens strip off money from other citizens and in return are also stripped off by them a little later.

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Just as well I don't plan on going to Osaka in 2025... greedy buggers

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The Zoo collects and entry fee to enjoy the parks and see the animals. Is this the same logic to make money? If Japan starts this fee other countries should reciprocate Japanese tourist entering their countries.

Osaka Prefecture eyes collecting fixed fee for inbound tourists from 2025

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How can we charge people for the free things they can do?

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my kids always grumble about everything i gave them. Actually the very fact is, if you are not happy with the system, believe me, Osaka gov shall be regret about it, and guess what? the good news is, you are free to go other places for your happy tour! Nobody force anyone to go there, come on, grow up and stop being a kid.

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@Antiquesaving

By the way I have not said at any moment that taxation is a good or bad idea... I am just stating that tourism tax do exist in other parts of the world. The reason for aplying them vary a lot.

Is it a bad or good idea, don't know. It is a way to gather founds, yes it is..

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I can't wait to visit after the new rules are implemented. I'll dress like a "inbound tourist" and wait to be charged, refuse and then sue them when they try to charge me (a resident). Sounds like good fun!

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TokyoLiving

Today 07:16 am JST

Japan now becoming 3rd world countries where local government try monetize even more from tourist.

> Many first world places do the same..

> You need to travel more...

Traveled a lot! Never heard or seen a developed country charge non citizens more on room tax!

The prefecture currently levies an accommodation tax of 100 to 300 yen on room fees of 7,000 yen or more per night, whether the guests are Japanese or foreign nationals. Yoshimura suggested the proposed amount of the fixed fee around the same.

This would be an extra tax only in foreigner!

Now find a city in a developed country that has such a system!

Most countries like in Europe, USA Canada Australia, etc..

Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

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Tourists come to Japan and spend their money in shops and other places. In turn those shops pay taxes. Now they want to directly tax tourists because there are too many of them! So what they are saying is that if you come to Osaka, we will tax you for it! I have never heard of anything more stupid in my life!!!!! I will make sure to tell everyone I know and in every site that I use to not go to Osaka!

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It’s only an extra ¥1 to ¥3 for a room at $70/night - I can imagine the extra clean up of their city.

It is better than 20% tip in NYC

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I don't oppose it, as it's a user-pays charge. Don't want to play it? Don't stay in Osaka. We residents are already taxed more than enough, so as long as the charge is actually spent on beautifying the city (a need way overdue, but they are making some efforts) and not funnelled off to some amakudari quango, it could be a good thing.

And did the irony of the photo on the right escape anyone?

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Now let's translate what the the Osaka government is saying:

" We went over budget on the expo and casino! We cannot tell the tax payers this and raise their taxes, we need to find someone to blame"

" I got it, let's blame foreigners?"

" Great idea but how?"

" let's say there are too many and we need to tax them for the budget problem!"

"Great idea, that will work"

There is the real reason!

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This is honestly so dumb, and I am so done with listening to Japanese people cry on and on about "overtourism". It is a boon to their economy in a time when their companies are infamously unproductive and not profitable.

On the other hand, I'd like to think there is something they could put that extra tax money towards in Osaka. Maybe building new schools considering the old ones are dilapidating and have incredibly poor facilities? Sadly, in reality, probably not.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

Probably should pick a city that inbound tourists at least want to visit.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Let’s hope Shibuya doesn’t get the same idea and start taxing photos with Hachiko. Lets charge for air. It’s such a 3rd world idea like Bali where they charge you to just step out of the bar near the rice patties.

The things Politicians come up with to waste money. Japanese economics: spend 1000 yen to get 900 yen and pat themselves on the back with success while spending hundreds of hours complaining about foreigners and encouraging police to profile and stop and harass as many foreigners as possible.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

In a very contrasting move, during my parents last trip to Europe, many popular sites actually let foreign tourist with passport proof in for free!

Why? Because they spend more money on gifts restaurants, etc...

I don't charge for people to come into my store, no instead I offer free water refill, in the winter I even offer free hot green tea, I offer free WiFi, use of the toilet, even a place to wash their hands if needed, etc...

Do these things cost me?

Yes!

So Do I do it?

Because it brings people in and then a better chance for me to sell something!

Osaka is basically saying:

Hey come visit us and spend your hard urned money, but wait we are also going to charge you so you can spend your money here!

Makes no sense.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

patkim

Today 04:22 pm JST

Imagine if Hawaii charged Japanese tourists, but not American tourists, a fee in order to enter the state. The complaints would be deafening.

> They actually do have something like that. It's called ESTA. I know several people who travel into the U.S. who hate it. The system to apply for it often breaks down and is too convoluted. It also costs a lot and is a ripoff.

Wrong comparison, ESTA in the USA, ETA in Canada and ETIAS in the EU are prescreening security processes and apply to certain people Americans don't need ETA for Canada and Canadians don't need ESTA they are Visa exempt verifications systems and are good for multiple trips and multiple years.

The fee is a processing fee ESTA us 2 years and $22

ETA is 5 years $7

ETIAS is 3 years for €7

They are not even close to a tourist tax!

Once you have one if these numbers you can enter and reenter as often as you want not extra fees.

What is being proposed here is a tax, you rent a hotel room for a week you are taxed between ¥100 and ¥ 300 a night now regardless of citizenship.

Under this proposal a Japanese would pay the above and a foreigner would pay the above plus anoth nightly tax for each day rent the room.

And if they return again they are again taxes extra over and over again!

They are not talking about a one time fee but an ongoing tax as the article suggests.

The prefecture currently levies an accommodation tax of 100 to 300 yen on room fees of 7,000 yen or more per night, whether the guests are Japanese or foreign nationals. Yoshimura suggested the proposed amount of the fixed fee around the same.

so he is looking at a "similar" thing meaning it is no a one time tax or fee like ESTA etc...but one to be paid multiple times!

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Daniel Neagari

Today 02:29 pm JST

Why so many people are angry about this? It is a failry common practice...

> Places like Greece and Venice have this kind of taxation at city level... and I've heard (though I am not sure if its real) that New Zeland also have a tourist tax.

The Greek and Italian tax applies to all nationalities including their own that are not residents of the city so not based on nationality.

NZ is just like everything the oddball and after the former PM they are trying to dig themselves out of the crazy stuff her government imposed, it is already pushing back the cow burp tax, reinstating live animal export and dropped the smoking ban!

So pointing out NZ does it doesn't make it sound like a good idea!

Oh don't forget it imposed and locked it own citizens in the country at one point!

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Daniel Neagari

Today 05:57 pm JST

@Antiquesaving

> Counter point

> https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240306-the-new-costs-of-travel-that-tourists-should-know

Did you even read the article you posted?

In nearly all cases it is "visitors" AKA tourists and ALL of them not just non country citizens!

All the taxes/fees apply to everyone going to the places mentioned some are daily fees others are one time entry fees

So Barcelona charges everyone arriving not just non Spanish citizens, but also Spanish citizens from let's say Madrid!

The same for all the rest Venice is a day visitors fee applies to all including Italians not living in Venice, the proposed Hawaii tax applies to all including Americans visiting from other parts of the USA.

Again the only examples of countries charging non citizens, are poor countries.

The type of places that collecting sales tax, income taxes etc..is shaky at best!

New York city has a accomodation tax it is paid by all it isn't just applied to non USA citizens and that is very common in most "developed countries" no one has yet shown us a single example of a extra "tax" not country entry fee, security check fee, visa fee etc.. but a TAX applied online to non citizens staying in a city or hotel in any developed country.

The proposal by Osaka Gov. Hirofumi Yoshimura in his own comments is similar to what the BBC article says Barcelona does but unlike Barcelona it would only apply to foreigners!

See the difference?

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

Daniel Neagari

Today 06:40 pm JST

The conversation is not about a tourist tax!

If you read such a tax already exists on accomodations in Osaka!

This is about a foreigner tax.

Now let's be clear on that!

Japanese tourists and foreign tourists now pay a tax.

The article is about adding more tax only on foreigners!

You keep saying "third world countries"... so Italiy, US and Spain are third wordl countries?? (did you know that term is derogatory also?)

I don't know who you are talking to but as of this moment there are 9 instances of above in bold and not one is from me.

I used "underdeveloped" and "developing" it woul be nice if you read or didn't try and distort what I write!

As for Italy Spain and the rest again you are trying to distort what I wrote.

They do not impose a tax on foreigners only! And as I pointed out just like what Osaka already has, these places have a universal tourist tax or are proposing a tourist tax that applies to citizens and non citizens alike.

The argument here isn't the tourist tax, it is a foreigner only tourist tax and that type of tax is nearly exclusive to developing and underdeveloped countries.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

Happy to Pay :)

Anything good for Japan as they have been helping many Asian countries for last 70 years, so in return I will like to pay any official fees in Japan. Simple as click!

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Fighto!

Today 09:31 am JST

Again a false comparison!

My 85 year old parents are coming for a visit!

They are not going to go climb mount Fuji, so no fee!

But the plan on visiting Osaka, Kyoto, etc...they will have to pay for accomodations so no avoiding it.

Now how is this going to work?

Let's see I book a room in Osaka with my wife!

If I put the room in my name they tax me if I put it in my wife's name they don't?

My friend takes his Japanese children on vacation, does he pay the extra room tax staying with his Japanese children?

If his wife does the same then the same room has a different price?!?

Skip Osaka!

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

James

Today 10:38 am JST

I assume they would only be able to apply a special cheat tax to international flights that are direct to Osaka. So fly to Tokyo then take a national flight to Haneda airport. or take a bullet train just for the experience

The article which is poorly written says this:

The prefecture currently levies an accommodation tax of 100 to 300 yen on room fees of 7,000 yen or more per night, whether the guests are Japanese or foreign nationals. Yoshimura suggested the proposed amount of the fixed fee around the same.

So it seems the plan is to have an extra "accomodation" tax on foreigners.

So a ¥7,000 room has a ¥200 tax for Japanese and that same ¥200 plus an indetermined amount tax for non Japanese/tourists.

Osaka cannot collect via Kansai international is falls under class A airports under the perview of the national government not local.

So the only way Osaka could get foreigners to pay a tax is via hotel, etc.. accomodation tax.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Tei Uka

Today 11:45 am JST

They have airport tax, landing tax, etc...but they are applied to everyone, not just foreign tourists!

> Japan has an exit tax that exclusively applies to non-residents, which is levied by the airlines. Did I mention that before? Did you ignore that before?

You seem confused!

An exit tax is:

Exit Tax is to prevent companies from avoiding tax when relocating assets. The rules provide for an Exit Tax on unrealised capital gains. This might occur where companies, without making an actual disposal, migrate their residence or transfer assets offshore

The exit tax applies to residents in Japan holding relevant financial assets worth JPY100 million or more (hereinafter referred to as “relevant assets”) and is imposed on the unrealized capital gains of those assets at the time of their departure from Japan.

Now if you mean the new "international tourist tax" AKA the 2019 Departure Tax.

Then again you are wrong:

"international tourist tax" of 1,000 yen, also known as the departure tax. The tax will be levied from January 7, 2019 and applies to everyone leaving Japan - whether native Japanese or foreign visitor.

Once again, the main take-away here is that everyone - regardless of race or nationality - will have to pay this departure tax.

if you don't believe me:

https://livejapan.com/en/in-hokkaido/in-pref-hokkaido/in-sapporo_chitose/article-a0003115/

So your claim it applies only to non residents is incorrect, it applies to everyone with the exception of airline staff and diplomats etc..

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Rakuraku

Today 08:37 am JST

@Antiquesaving

> Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

> Many countries are doing just that. France is now looking at it for Le Louvre so nothing unique

So I did a little checking.

And I like when people try distorting facts.

The Louvre is free for residents of the EU under 26.

But everyone else outside that pays the same price!

So a Japanese under 26 must pay but not an Italian.

A French citizen over 26 or a Japanese, German, American, etc... all pay the same!

So no "tourists tax" I would say complete fabrication but I will put it down to simple confusion on the "free EU under 26"

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

ebisen

Today 01:16 pm JST

Most resident foreigners already pay through their taxes. To people calling this additional fee for non-resident tourists "discriminatory" - no, not everything is discriminatory and no, they won't get scared because you shout "discrimination!!" louder. Foreign tourists make usage of services (infrastructure, etc) that are supported nowadays mostly through taxation of residents. I'd prefer my taxes to be used in different directions, such as building more hospitals. So no, it's not discriminatory and no, it's not breaking any laws. You don't like it? Vote with your tourist money and spend it somewhere else.

Now here is where the "foreign tourist used services etc..." falls apart.

As a resident you live work pay taxes and often the money you pay for goods goes to places outside Japan.

Everything you get paid and spend is from Japan and paid to Japanese local businesses.

Now the tourist may use a small amount of services, but they are not taking any money from Japan.

On the contrary, they will get coming here to spend money from overseas.

This spending buy a large margin far exceeds the cost of the services they may use.

Tourists pay for longer stays in hotels (fee people come all the way here for the weekend like when Japanese travel in Japan).

Foreign Tourists, buy local products, spend far more in a shorter period in restaurants, bars etc...

People coming her for a few weeks is a net gain to the economy!

A local gets paid in Japan spends in Japan on a one week holiday is just circulating the money around

A visiting foreign tourist brings in money to spend from outside Japan and in that same one week leaves all that money here!

A net gain for the local economy.

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

JRO

Today 01:56 pm JST

The prefecture currently levies an accommodation tax of 100 to 300 yen on room fees of 7,000 yen or more per night, whether the guests are Japanese or foreign nationals

> They don't actually mention anything about foreign specific fees, so not sure why it says it's targeting foreigners.

Keep reading.

The prefecture currently levies an accommodation tax of 100 to 300 yen on room fees of 7,000 yen or more per night, whether the guests are Japanese or foreign nationals. Yoshimura suggested the proposed amount of the fixed fee around the same.

so simple, they are proposing an extra tax on top of the already present ¥100 to ¥300 but that would apply only to foreigners!

The article is poorly written and few concrete details!

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

That was not a good idea, once if the touring mania has gone, you can't get back the tourist!

-5 ( +25 / -30 )

Tei Uka

Today 08:18 am JST

Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

> Japan already charges non-residents additional fees upon exiting. Which laws would that violate

Try reading again!

Try reading the entire comment!

I was pointing out other developed countries!

Their laws!

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

TheDalaiLamasBifocals

Today 07:24 am JST

Places like Nepal and a few other SE Asian countries usually have local and tourist prices.

> To enter the central area of Katmandu they have different fees for tourists from SAARC and non-SAARC countries

And you think Japan is a developing or underdeveloped county like these places?

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

Rakuraku

Today 10:39 am JST

Another person confusing a tourist site and and accomodations site!

Questions:

If you visit France do you have to visit the Louvre?

If you visit France do you have to find accomodations?

One is a choice you can avoid the other isn't unless you plan on sleeping on the streets or staying with friends or family!

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

@TokyoLiving

Many first world places do the same..

You need to travel more

That means first world becoming more and more third world countries.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

I can just see the confusion!

First hotels will have to reprogram their check-in and billing systems to implement this system.

Now I know many people that came to visit Japan meet up with their Japanese friends and travel and stay in the same hotel room!

How is that going to work?

I can just see the arguments, the confusion by the staff.

Do they charge the "foreign tourist" room surcharge?

But what about the Japanese person in the same room?

My parents, how will be traveling with my adult Japanese citizen daughter staying together and they try charging my family, my daughter will not accept it and I can just see her fighting it in court!

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

Great idea

way too many tourists as it is. They are ruining Japan.

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

One more reason to not go to Osaka.

Never been, never will.

Complain about no tourists, tourists come back, rip them off again for “Fees” when they do, typical Japan

-7 ( +19 / -26 )

Rakuraku

Today 08:37 am JST

@Antiquesaving

> Charging for non citizens differently would be discrimination and violate the laws!

> Many countries are doing just that. France is now looking at it for Le Louvre so nothing unique

Again people always try and pick something not connected or some tiny thing that is not even close to the same.

If you got to France, you don't have to visit the Louvre but you do need a place to stay.

One is a choice the other a necessity!

If they want me to pay more at the Louvre I will skip it but how can I skip staying in a hotel, etc..? Unless I sleep on the streets!

-7 ( +3 / -10 )

Fighto!

Today 09:49 am JST

Now how is this going to work?

> If I put the room in my name they tax me if I put it in my wife's name they don't?

> You are a resident in Japan I know. So you won't be taxed. Neither will your wife.

> Your family/friends from overseas who are not residents WILL be taxed.

It says nothing about residents it says foreign tourists, in theory you as a non Japanese traveling in Japan are a foreign tourist!

I assume the staff will check everyone's residential status at check-in and levy the taxes accordingly.

And? So if the Japanese citizen is in that room you think because a foreigner is in it then it is ok to tax the room?

Skip Osaka!

> Cmon, man. We are talking a coin or two for foreign tourists to pay. Osaka is a marvelous city and shouldn't be skipped!

No it really isn't!

Fine if it is just a few coins and you are so rich why not send me a few!

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

This is a very good plan! Charge every tourist something like 10,000¥ as tax to enter Japan. It would be good if it’s automatically added to the ticket price to make things smoother. More tax money from tourist will reduce the burden on the Japanese citizens and long term foreign residents. After all, these tourist use the infrastructure in Japan without paying anything for it directly so it’s about time to charge them! Many countries have departure tax’s levied for tourist which is around $100 plus so the current 1,000¥ that is charged in Japan is really too low! Not only Osaka but this should be done throughout Japan!

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

@Rakuraku

Many countries are doing just that. France is now looking at it for Le Louvre so nothing unique.

That means France becoming, third world countries.

https://www.abc.net.au/everyday/is-it-reasonable-to-pay-tourist-prices-when-travelling-overseas/11395356

Anyway that place is not longer nice anymore, only in glamorous movie.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/paris-syndrome-culture-shock-sickness-sends-japanese-tourists-packing/t8a332he2

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

Places like Nepal and a few other SE Asian countries usually have local and tourist prices.

To enter the central area of Katmandu they have different fees for tourists from SAARC and non-SAARC countries.

Exactly, those are third world countries, now for tourist fee can be more than 10 times than locals.

https://un-dco.org/stories/istanbul-doha-nepals-long-road-graduating-least-developed-country

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

”Just Say No” to Osaka. I’ve lived in and out of Japan for over thirty years and never been there…my ex even said: “There’s Nothing There” , lol

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

Japan now becoming 3rd world countries where local government try monetize even more from tourist.

Many first world places do the same..

You need to travel more...

-16 ( +16 / -32 )

Japan now becoming 3rd world countries where local government try monetize even more from tourist. Without those levy they already get income from local business that being taxed however they just want even more.

-18 ( +36 / -54 )

This is Ridiculous, I keep hearing about OVERTOURISIM !!

From who?

-18 ( +7 / -25 )

Good..

Don't like it, don't go..

Plain and simple..

-31 ( +6 / -37 )

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