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Over 40% of workers in Japan sleep less than 6 hours per night: survey

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I dunno. Isn't it a matter of pride for many; sign of "gambatteiru", which is the primary marker of participation in work and society?

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Over 40% of workers in Japan sleep less than 6 hours per night: survey

Because their sleeping time is owned by their company until they reach retirement.

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9 works for me. On weekends.

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Some thrive on as little as 4 hours sleep. Maggie Thatcher comes to mind. I think Churchill was another, although he used to nap for a few hours in the afternoon (which is said to be ideal). Apparently, it was found that ancient societies used to get around 6 hours on average (not much different to what we get now in our modem world) between dusk and dawn, and it was completely normal to wake up after a few hours, then "get merry" and even eat something in the middle of the night before getting another couple of hours sleep. And they'd nap during the day, too. We don't "need" 7-8 hours of continuous, uninterrupted sleep every night.

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I'm one of those over 40%.

Stress can lead to insomnia.

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Japan = "Work long, not hard." This seems to also apply to a lack of sleep. Not getting enough sleep reduces performance. Reduced performance means more time to get things done. It's a vicious cycle.

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8hrs of good sleep.

as gold standard.

iphone off,notebooks off.

time OFF.

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Japan needs to make sleep great again. This is BS, BTW. So many salesmen and workers sleep in their or company cars during working hours.

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"There is a need to rectify long working hours and enable workers to get more sleep so they can maintain a healthy mental state," an official of the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare said.

Spit my coffee up on this comment. No one gave a crap about the long working hours when Japan was one of the "Dragon Economies" of the bubble era. No one gave a crap during the blood letting of the "ristora" generation. No one gave a crap during Abe-nuttics! (Well they STARTED to give a crap, but made 100 hours a month overtime the "legal" standard!)

You "officials" are komuin, and the overwhelming majority of you "komuin" have ZERO idea of what the real world is like! Few of you could survive!

Hell yes lack of sleep is a problem! Working 10 to 12 hours a day, with 2 hours or more of commuting time, eating breakfast and supper, taking a bath/shower, talking to your family (yeah right no time other than "hello" if that) and just how many hours are left in a day for anything?

You created the problems by not putting the brakes on the stupid laws regarding overtime!

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Since I started taking magnesium citrate at night I rarely have problems falling or staying asleep. 6 hours just won’t do it for me.

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Lack of sleep has been shown to increase the risk of Alzheimer's.

Try to get at least seven hours or more a night regularly.

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At this point, I think those workers are running on coffee and cigarettes throughout their days. It's no wonder they schedule so many meetings, they need some time to take a power nap on the job while looking like they are doing something by filling their calendars.

I dunno. Isn't it a matter of pride for many; sign of "gambatteiru", which is the primary marker of participation in work and society?

Honestly though, I hope this gets addressed rather than just studied and posted in articles. There is a serious problem with the sleep deprived population and it seems to be some sort of status symbol when you let your subordinates know that you were up all night and you are tired but you are still coming to work on time.

This also applies to when you go to nomikais as well. You arrive slightly later and brag about how much work you had and that you are "ganbatteiru". I get sick and tired of hearing the same crap over and over again about how much of a workaholic people are, can't we just drink and have fun? How can one be so busy and yet not accomplish all that much?

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Generally 8 hours of sleep is perfect for humans. There are a few exceptions though. Some people only need to 4 to 6 hours while others find it is not enough. Lumping everyone together saying you don't need 8 hours of rest is ludicrous because everyone's bodies are different. It could even be genetically determined for some that only need 4 hours of sleep. A lot of people sleep in on the weekend which means you are catching up. You didn't get enough sleep during the week. A good way to find out if you haven't had enough sleep is measuring your blood pressure. Your blood pressure is higher when you haven't had enough sleep.

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Having spent nearly 18 years in a Japanese office, I can say that a lot of this sleep deprivation is caused by the culture of fear inculcated by the nonsense belief that completing one’s work on time = leaving early.

This is why “meetings “ in which no agenda is set, no objectives are put forward and no actions are committed to fill much of the time from 9-6.

Once the working day has been micturated away in kabuki performance of busyness, the arafo hordes can begin replying to messages their clients sent during work time.

Then they can arrive home late, safe in the knowledge that their boss saw them still at their desk when he shuffled out (having done nothing of merit all day) at 11pm.

11:05, boss out of the way, hey presto! The work’s all been completed and there’s a stampede for the door.

There’s plenty of time to sleep if you have the guts to prioritize your health over performance art.

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Who cares? When we are dead one day we surely will sleep enough and for a very long time. Until then it's a waste of time although important for body regeneration. And that's. the point here. Let your body determine the needed sleeping time, not your job, experts or alarm clocks etc Finally the body will surely take its necessary sleep anyway, whether you are at home, workplace or behind the wheels.

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I'd like to see real proof of a correlation. Show me the time you get home from work directly, not going to karaoke, etc. Then show me what time you go to bed and after that we can see just how connected it really is. I see plenty of drunk people who are dressed like office workers on the last train with me.

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My dog, 6 hours sleep a night..........I wish. I have had an illness for over a year now and have to takes 23 medications a day, I have no sleep pattern, sometimes 2/3 hrs during the day and sometimes 2 in the evening. I am always up and awake at about 2am. I usually fall asleep on the sofa so just stay there until.

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That is no surprise I am a victim to sleep deprivation too. Living in japan thats the norm. Nothing you can do as companies dont care about your health they want you to work to death and keep cracking that whip on you

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That's what indentured servitude looks like.

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It is not the fault of companies, which is the most common response here. I would say it is the workers who don’t plan their days to get the required 8 hours of sleep. Most people work and then go home to watch tv all night. Also drinking is not good for sleep.

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We don't "need" 7-8 hours of continuous, uninterrupted sleep every night.

maybe, but nighttime is the only time owned by the individual. Can't just leave a meeting, and go take a nap. This whole 8-hour thing was invented by Owen.

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But they make up for it by sleeping on the train and at work.

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I especially hate it when my Japanese acquaintances finish work late every day and force themselves to go early on time every day in the morning (even if there are no urgent matters to deal with at that time) despite the fact that they have the option to use flex time in their companies. It is truly a violation of rights in my eyes, but I believe the workers themselves have to step up and put a halt on this abuse.

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I think my average is about 7 hours, sees to do me fine you see. Lack of sleep is horrid, these people must be feeling pretty rough most of the time.

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Generally 8 hours of sleep is perfect for humans.

I really don't need any more than 7 and I think that is the normal amount in adults.

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Who cares?

I do

When we are dead one day we surely will sleep enough and for a very long time. Until then it's a waste of time

Sleeping properly can help delay the time you die.

although important for body regeneration.

So it's not a waste of time...make up your mind.

And that's. the point here. Let your body determine the needed sleeping time, not your job, experts or alarm clocks etc

That's basically the point everyone is making.

Finally the body will surely take its necessary sleep anyway, whether you are at home, workplace or behind the wheels.

It won't if you don't allow it to. If you don't get enough sleep you'll be tired and this will lead to various health risks.

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I have no sympathy for those that live this way. Solving the problem is simply a matter of enough people actually having the courage to not work unnecessary overtime anymore. Since this issue remains, sadly, it is kind of an indictment of Japanese people.

What they need to do is drop the notion that somehow supporting a culture of poor working conditions actually means you are a selfless team player. No, you are working inefficiently, and while you slave away for a third of the money your American equivalents are making, while also never using your paid holidays, the chief corporate stakeholders are eating out in expensive Ginza restaurants, drinking champagne, travelling to obscure countryside towns to hop in the 4000th onsen, taking trips abroad, ect ect ad nauseum. They are laughing at your self-righteous work ethic. You are nothing to them, just a pawn. How can I blame them for feeling this way?

Japanese people are responsible for this problem and if they don't want their society to have this reputation associated with it, Japanese people need to fix it. Japanese people are not helpless. Meanwhile, for us gaijin, all we ever hear about is how difficult we are to work with for prioritizing our own needs and seeing the scam for what it is. Incredible the lengths people in this society will go to, scapegoating the less empowered, rather than addressing their own shortcomings.

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… hence the low productivity

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We don't "need" 7-8 hours of continuous, uninterrupted sleep every night.

We do when we are slaves to a system that won't let us nap in the afternoon.

As hot as Japan has been these last few summers, I have been thinking this country should adopt siesta. It would save some money and energy on air conditioning too.

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Not enough sleep and not enough breeding.

Coincidence?

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An old Japanese friend of mine used to brag about getting by on 3-4 hours of sleep. Long story short, he has a brain tumor removed last year, and now sleeps 7 hours a night

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I learned as a body builder in my early years that sleep is required for recuperation. I've always tried to get a minimum of 7 hours, and these days I consistently go to bed and get up at the times every day - I don't even have an alarm clock as a result.

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Is that supposedly charactistic just to Japan?

I’d be lucky if I've been able to sleep for six hours daily for decades, whether or not I was still living in Japan.

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WA4TKGToday 12:46 am JST

Is that supposedly charactistic just to Japan?

I’d be lucky if I've been able to sleep for six hours daily for decades, whether or not I was still living in Japan.

Unionized workers in the US have a hard maximum of 40 hours in the US before overtime kicks in. I'd like to think pretty much everybody there has the same maximum, but there are some small business owners and some high paid white collar jobs that have a culture of putting in insane hours. I would fight it tooth and nail if I were in one of those jobs.

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I do well with 6 hours of sleep. Just the way I am.

The overtime without pay issue will never be resolved. Greedy companies and the governments that should enforce the rule are in kahoots and will never put any teeth in the law. We need unions

I know for a fact, or at least told to me by a prefectural office worker who works in the labor department within the last three months. The a group/team leader will refuse sign off on OT under 10 hours. The gov org responsible for enforcing workplace rules, violating them. Where does a employee go to complain? Everyone knows, the silence is deafening.

People need to start looking at this refusing to pay OT as weage theft. Which is it is. This is no different than the government/business reaching into purses/wallets of employees and stealing money out from them.

I've suggested taking a copying machine or something of like value to stolen wages as compensation and see what happens.

More Unions are the answer.

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> TaiwanIsNotChinaToday  01:11 am JST

Unionized workers in the US have a hard maximum of 40 hours in the US before overtime kicks in. I'd like to think pretty much everybody there has the same maximum, but there are some small business owners and some high paid white collar jobs that have a culture of putting in insane hours. I would fight it tooth and nail if I were in one of those jobs.

You dont know what you are talking about. Many unions OT kicks in after 8 hours in a day, 1.5 x pay after 10 hours and 2x pay after 12 hours. State / City laws have different rules for OT, but California for example has different skemes, but again in general OT after 8 hours a day/40 hours per week.

As to the small business owners skirting the laws. The EEOC- Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, or labor board would come to play here. Starbucks, FedEx and many others paid some huge settlements for theft of wages.

As for the "high paid" white collar worker, pretty much you are in track. Google, Facebook for example. However, they earn a lot of money. have great health care, vacation packages, and can quit anytime they want.

What Japan is missing is a government labor watchdog with teeth, rather than a nesting place for retired corporate execs which seems to be the current set-up.

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Ask TradeToday 07:25 am JST

TaiwanIsNotChinaToday  01:11 am JST

Unionized workers in the US have a hard maximum of 40 hours in the US before overtime kicks in. I'd like to think pretty much everybody there has the same maximum, but there are some small business owners and some high paid white collar jobs that have a culture of putting in insane hours. I would fight it tooth and nail if I were in one of those jobs.

You dont know what you are talking about. Many unions OT kicks in after 8 hours in a day, 1.5 x pay after 10 hours and 2x pay after 12 hours. State / City laws have different rules for OT, but California for example has different skemes, but again in general OT after 8 hours a day/40 hours per week.

Sounds like exactly what I said.

As to the small business owners skirting the laws. The EEOC- Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, or labor board would come to play here. Starbucks, FedEx and many others paid some huge settlements for theft of wages.

I said small business owners themselves work overtime.

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Back on topic please.

Over 40% ? That's a Lot! 40 % is ALMOST 50%.

Every worker must sleep 8 hours every night to do good work the next day. Every Day except of course weekends.

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I really don't need any more than 7 and I think that is the normal amount in adults.

Just measure your blood pressure. Sleep 8 hours one night. Measure it the next day. Sleep 7 hours one night. Measure it the next day. If your blood pressure has gone up for the 7 hour rest then maybe you need 8 hours. There's a sweet spot I think for sleep time. People who sleep too much or too less die earlier.

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It is not the fault of companies, which is the most common response here. I would say it is the workers who don’t plan their days to get the required 8 hours of sleep. Most people work and then go home to watch tv all night. Also drinking is not good for sleep.

Part of 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week (or even a bit less) is so that people have a reasonable amount of time to recreate, rather than feel forced to sacrifice sleep time so they can have some time to watch TV or immediately hit the sack upon reaching home.

wolfshineOct. 23 07:49 pm JST

while you slave away for a third of the money your American equivalents are making, while also never using your paid holidays, the chief corporate stakeholders are

To be fair, while the Japanese boss lives well compared to the Japanese salaryman, he also doesn't earn that much compared to an American or European in an equivalent position. It's one reason for Ghosn's troubles - them trying to cobble together an aggregate compensation package that's more competitive than Japan's norms would allow. Doesn't make what they tried legal but it is important to understand they would just have paid him openly in the US.

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It'd be nice if Japan at least tried to put the squeeze on the companies. Any company that says they can't hack it with only 40 hours a day must, on their own resources, audit their own days to prove they had done everything possible to be more efficient. They can even drop quality if that's what it takes to get the hours down.

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Japanese people are responsible for this problem and if they don't want their society to have this reputation associated with it, Japanese people need to fix it. Japanese people are not helpless. Meanwhile, for us gaijin, all we ever hear about is how difficult we are to work with for prioritizing our own needs and seeing the scam for what it is. Incredible the lengths people in this society will go to, scapegoating the less empowered, rather than addressing their own shortcomings.

Wolfshine. you're right on the money. The thumb's down are the "white knights" who feel it is incumbent on themselves to stand up for defenceless Japanese - a bit racist on their own I might add.

Asserting your rights is not complaining folks. Speaking out is not complaining. Refusing to not be exploited is not complaining.

Taking a stand in what you believe in is not complaining folks. It is holding the people in power accountable to their misdeeds. Taking a stand is telling the wealthy corporate business owners/politicians (being redundant again) that we will not put up with being exploited and demand a change,

People stand up! Better to live alone as a fighter than live amongst cowards. Cuz what you got left when you are dead alone is your legacy. A fighter, willing to take a stand, or a coward, keep your head down and hope know one notices you.

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I used to do manage on 2-3 hours a night, resorting to pill-popping (caffeine stimulants, etc.) to keep alert. -it's nothing unusual, just look at the schedules kept by NHS staff in the UK. Nowadays I try to avoid such schedules, though, for anyone interested the best product I found so far for keeping me awake is something called AM which is market\ed by Jeunesse Global.

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