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It is truly remarkable, and admirable, how the Filipino people have managed to put aside the past between their nation and Japan, unlike China, who wants to keep the old historic enmities alive forever at all costs...I guess the Filipinos are just a better people, all in all.

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Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua said the exercises were being “closely” followed, describing them as “hyping up tensions”.

This from a country which seems obsessed with hyping up tensions at every opportunity with it's neighbors.

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CrazyJoe, one correction. People are mostly the same all over the world. It's the daily propaganda and leaders who are usually the unforgiving. I like Chinese people, not the leadership!

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The Philippines were not a "colony" by any reasonable definition of the concept when the Japanese invaded. The US gave up its colonial ambitions in the Philippines decades before WWII broke out.

What would you call the american occupation of the Philippines during the period between 1898 and 1946?

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American colony or not, it does not erase the horrific atrocities the Japanese did to the Filipinos.

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The nature of the American military presence in the Philippines was very different all through that period. Just consider the stages the country went through: 1) full blown military occupation and government, 2) US civilian government, 3) long gradual transition to local rule, 4) full local control with locally written constitution and democratically elected parliament.

The Philippines was still a colony by definition, during the period 1898-1946, whatever the plan was.

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This is a good step toward collective resistance to Chinese expansionism. Let's hope it spreads and we see Japan collaborating more with Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, India & Australia.

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How does that work?

The Philippines was an American colony.

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“Facts have proven once again that the Philippines is the real rule breaker and troublemaker.

Facts, the CCP says facts, well only in their most deluded opiate induced dreams. Once again the CCP's grand largesse in self-indulgent entitlement comes out to reveal itself in full.

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....on schedule for becoming independent when the war broke out.

Anyone who has ever spent any time in the Philippines will tell you that the Filipino people were firmly on the US side during the war.

If you think I'm saying otherwise, I'm not.

That said, the Philippines were still a colony. And does not change what the US did to the people there.

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It is truly remarkable, and admirable, how the Filipino people have managed to put aside the past between their nation and Japan, unlike China, who wants to keep the old historic enmities alive forever at all costs...I guess the Filipinos are just a better people, all in all.

100% agree.

Japan and the Philippines are not enemies in WW2, JT. It was the US and Japan fighting over the Philippines, in the Philippines.

Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua said the exercises were being “closely” followed, describing them as “hyping up tensions”.

This from a country which seems obsessed with hyping up tensions at every opportunity with it's neighbors.

True. Got to wonder why the stance taken by so many on JT is exactly the same as the CCP.

Japanese forces were the worse of 2 evils, so it made sense for the people of the Philippines to cooperate with the US during the war.

At the same time, most people are blissfully unaware of US atrocities in the Philippines and other countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War#American_atrocities

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Compare the situation Philippines to other colonies at the time. Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Korea...The Philippines does does not compare to any of them. At least not in any way to support the original statement made by poster Hikikomorii.

I will not belabor the point as being a colony or not has no bearing on the fact that the Imperial Japanese Army committed war crimes in the Philippines against Filipinos.

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First they demonstrate that China’s Pacific neighbors are beginning to balance against China, professor Michael Tkacik, a foreign policy expert at the Texas-based Stephen F. Austin State University, told AFP.

Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, and assorted other states are threatened by China’s behavior, even as far away as India. Thus, the Philippines and Japan are jointly making an important statement about how seriously they view China’s actions.

That's funny, it would seem that Mr. Tkacik's opinion doesn't match that of our own renowned foreign-policy experts here at JT.

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As much as I don't want everything to fall to ruin, I feel like someone needs to legitimately remove China by force as China slowly encroaches on neighboring territories.

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Japan and the Philippines are not enemies in WW2, JT. It was the US and Japan fighting over the Philippines, in the Philippines.

How does that work?

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Arimura,

Seems like different rules for different coloured people.

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All the non-China countries involved, including Taiwan, should hold a conference perhaps supported by others like Japan, Australia, India and the US, and thrash out between them how they would sort out the various competing claims among them, and what they collectively agree to be China's legitimate claim. That would not affect China's view much if at all in the short term, but it would demonstrate clearly how isolated China is on this matter. And it would make it easier to conduct any discussions with China in the knowledge that there are only two views, i.e. China's, and everybody else's. China's current policy is to refuse to engage with any group of nations collectively and instead deal with individual nations, to the extent that it deals with them at all, of course. China's overwhelming strength vis-a-vis any one other country would thereby be considerably diffused under a collective approach.

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Upgrayedd

Compare the situation Philippines to other colonies at the time. Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Korea...The Philippines does does not compare to any of them.

I'd agree with that to an extent. At the same time, all of the above were different scenarios so...

In any case, please keep in mind I said "Japanese forces were the worse of 2 evils, so it made sense for the people of the Philippines to cooperate with the US during the war"

I'm not trying to make out the IJA had any moral grounds to invade the Philippines like it seemed Hikikomorii appears to be doing. He is technically correct that the US was fighting to keep/regain control but take things a step too far.

theeastisred

Makes sense to me. Avoiding conflict is best and perhaps a united front would be enough China to rethink it's policies.

Let's hope this happens.

lostrune2

China bringing SE Asia together

And Japan which is NE Asia ;-)

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Yeah, because we've all seen how effective invasions of sovereign nations that have not attacked was in Iraq, a real success story if there ever was one.

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The Philippines was an American colony.

...on schedule for becoming independent when the war broke out.

Anyone who has ever spent any time in the Philippines will tell you that the Filipino people were firmly on the US side during the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_resistance_against_Japan

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Great ! Good to show presence ! But that will not stop the jugganaut !

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The Philippines was still a colony by definition, during the period 1898-1946, whatever the plan was.

It was a de-facto independent commonwealth from 1934 and had very significant and real local rule long before that.

Compare the situation Philippines to other colonies at the time. Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Korea...The Philippines does does not compare to any of them. At least not in any way to support the original statement made by poster Hikikomorii.

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China bringing SE Asia together

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china is looking for organised resistance. lest it move unchecked. finding boundaries, get together and smash this modern scourge,china will be better off for the beating it has not had since the japanese flogged it.there was a reason for it then and there is a reason for it now.

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Japan and the Philippines are not enemies in WW2, JT. It was the US and Japan fighting over the Philippines, in the Philippines.

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That said, the Philippines were still a colony.

The Philippines were not a "colony" by any reasonable definition of the concept when the Japanese invaded. The US gave up its colonial ambitions in the Philippines decades before WWII broke out.

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What would you call the american occupation of the Philippines during the period between 1898 and 1946?

What year are you specifically asking about?

The nature of the American military presence in the Philippines was very different all through that period. Just consider the stages the country went through: 1) full blown military occupation and government, 2) US civilian government, 3) long gradual transition to local rule, 4) full local control with locally written constitution and democratically elected parliament.

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Both countries are feeling the rope tighten to their neck more tightly from now.

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