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WA4TKG
Excellent, all was successful.
Very sad to hear this for her, my aunt was not so lucky.
Rodney
Not a fan of her, but maybe she should come out in the media and encourage women to have preventive medical checkups?
Hercolobus
Best wishes.
TokyoLiving
Very good for her, speedy recovery..
Marr Bourdein
To WA4TKG
well I'm sure being a royal gets you better top notch treatment. Remember, we are all considered peasants so we get poor treatment. And yes, it's great the princess is doing better. Our taxes paid for it.
virusrex
In her case the cancer has been found early and dealt with decisively, with some luck this means she is cured from it. The incidental finding while being examined of the unrelated vertebral problem may have saved her life.
painkiller
Doctors extracted the tumor and will administer radiotherapy, the agency said.
Hope everything turns out well for her.
Someday there will be a cure for cancer.
virusrex
Fortunately for cases like hers there is, patients get cured from stage zero cancer all the time.
TokyoOldMan
Regular checkups for older Women are available, so it's worth using this as an example of promoting the benefit of taking them up. If a Princess can do it, you can too.
TokyoOldMan
The same should also apply to testicular cancer for men, though I've never received a checkup advisory from my local ward office on that one...
For encouragement, if younger women would be the ones doing the checking, then, I'd be down there like a flash !!! :D
virusrex
Prostatic cancer is a much more dangerous disesase which is why it also gets much more attention (still insufficient). Coincidentally Emperor Naruhito is now taking examinations for this cancer, and with a little luck it would have a positive effect also promoting check ups and increase the early detection and survival rates.
Dylan
It is actually prostate cancer, not "prostatic cancer".
Most yearly government health checks include a PSA test for prostate cancer but you have to make a request and pay ¥1,000 for it.
painkiller
Severe misinformation here to suggest patients are cured of anything "all of the time."
Sadly, there is still no cure for cancer.
A good source to read for those not in the medical or science field:
Why Isn’t There a Cure for Cancer?
https://www.healthgrad.com/topics/why-isnt-there-a-cure-for-cancer/
virusrex
Patients are cured of stage zero breast cancer around the world regularly, do you have any evidence that this is incorrect? because if not you are making just an invalid appeal to your own authority.
The American Cancer Society says you are completely wrong and that cancer can be cured,
https://www.cancer.org/treatment/understanding-your-diagnosis/can-cancer-be-cured.html
So what evidence do you have that prove the ACS is mistaken when saying cancer can be cured? or that stage zero breast cancer is incurable?
painkiller
Here is an easy question you believe there is a cure from cancer?
You know that you can't admit there is not cure for cancer because it breaks down your entire claim baed on your personal opinion.
So, you are claiming now there is a cure from cancer? That's a well-kept secret from the medical community.
virusrex
The American Cancer Society says cases of cancer can be cured, why try to ignore an association of experts that clearly contradicts you? what arguments do you have to prove they are mistakne.
It is not my personal opinion, is the professional opinion of an associaction of experts that explicitly says cases of cancer can be cured, trying to deflect from this means you are unable to disprove them wrong, so your only excuse is to pretend this valid reference that disprove your personal opinion was never brought here.
Again, the ACS says you are wrong and cancer can be cured, what evidence do you have they are wrong.
If you want other experts can also contradict you
https://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/diagnosing-cancer/stages-cancer
So, is the American Society of Clinical Oncology also wrong because they explicitly contradict you?
painkiller
Does the American Cancer Society say that there is a cure for cancer?
Simple question.
You have a misunderstanding of the issue.
And you fail to show any evidence of any legitimate organization stating that there is a cure for cancer.
This is because the medical and scientific consensus agrees there is no cure, although they are seeking one, ans those in the industry would know.
wallace
A cure for cancer means the patient survives for 5 years after treatment.
Still, some cancer cells can remain in your body for many years after treatment. These cells may cause cancer to come back one day. For cancers that return, most do so within the first 5 years after treatment.
virusrex
What do you think it means that cancer can be cured?
there is no misunderstanding just a false idea you are trying to impose as if the experts supported it when in reality is just yours.
The ACS says cancer can be cured, The American Society of Clinical Oncology says that the kind of cancer described in the article is "often curable" that completely proves your mistaken opinion was wrong,
Can you prove both associations of professionals are lying? if not that means it is just your personal and biased belief, not the scientific consensus, which was easy to prove is the opposite.
virusrex
that is called remission, a cure means the cancer do not returns and the person lives its natural live to die from other causes. Depending on the kind of cancer this can be done with more or less difficulty, but it is still called a cure without problems. A person can be also cured from infection (or any of many other problems), even if the disease comes later again, people can be cured from hypertropia, deficiencies, unbalances, insufficiencies, etc. etc. that does not mean they will be free from that kind of disease for sure until death.
wallace
If you remain in complete remission for 5 years or more, some doctors may say that you are cured. Still, some cancer cells can remain in your body for many years after treatment. These cells may cause cancer to come back one day. For cancers that return, most do so within the first 5 years after treatment.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/diagnosis-staging/prognosis
About 67% of cancer survivors have survived 5 or more years after diagnosis.
About 18% of cancer survivors have survived 20 or more years after diagnosis.
64% of survivors are age 65 or older.
https://www.cancer.net/survivorship/what-cancer-survivorship
Although there is no cure for cancer yet, detecting and treating the disease at an early stage can significantly improve a person’s outlook. The cancers with the highest 5-year relative survival rates include melanoma, Hodgkin lymphoma, and breast, prostate, testicular, cervical, and thyroid cancer.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322700#takeaway
virusrex
That is still the same situation for many other diseases, for all of them, including cancer, the term cure can be used without problem, even if the possibility of a recurrence is always there. People can have deficiencies, unbalances or insufficiencies again weeks, months or years after being cured for example, but that does not make it a less valid determination to say they were cured.
There is not "cure for infection" in general either, that does not mean you can't cure specific infections, in the case of cancer the same argument applies, if associations of experts in cancer can say without problem that cancers can be cured (and even "often cured") it is not enough to say they are wrong.
painkiller
wallaceNov. 22 10:35 pm JST
100% correct, and 100% supported by medicine.
You are arguing for a different issue.
The medical and scientific supported fact is, there is no cure for cancer.
Here are some articles my experts for your reading:
Currently, there’s no true cure for cancer.
https://www.healthline.com/health/is-there-a-cure-for-cancer
Why is there no cure for cancer, and what are we doing about it?
https://blogs.iu.edu/sciu/2017/03/21/why-is-there-no-cure-for-cancer/#:~:text=Conspiracy%20theories%20aside%2C%20a%20cure%20for%20cancer%20doesn’t,the%20cancer%20can%20differ%20from%20patient%20to%20patient.
YayDuckie
So, without the wall of text, is the cancer of Princess Nobuko cured?
virusrex
Very likely yes. oncologists often cure patients with stage zero breast cancer as said in one of the references. The lack of a "true cure for cancer" in general is like the lack of a "true cure for infection" in the mean that not all cases for all the varieties of the disease can be cured, but for specific cases like her (as reported) the cure is perfectly possible.
wallace
Cancer is a disease, not an infection. Cancer can not be spread from person to person but infections can. Cancer is not a contagious disease.
Hopefully, Princess Nobuko will be free from cancer going forward but there are cases when it returns.
According to the latest Japanese National Vital Statistics, (in 2017) 13,240 annual deaths are due to breast cancer in females, and breast cancer is the fifth leading cause of cancer-related death in Japanese females.
Projected cancer incidence in 2022
https://ganjoho.jp/reg_stat/statistics/stat/short_pred_en.html
In 2020, 378,356 people died of cancer in Japan, according to a Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare report. This accounts for 27.6% of all deaths that year and equates to one in four people dying of cancer.
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01044/
Breast cancer is the number one for women. Prostate cancer is the number one for men.
virusrex
Cancer is a disease, so are infections, the argument that not being able to cure all varieties of the disease can still mean that specific example do are cured regularly is what you are not addressing. Being contagious or not is irrelevant. If the argument is that some examples are not curable so the category of diseases should not be considered ever "cured" that would also include all other kinds of diseases, from infections to insufficiencies, unbalances, genetic problems, immune problems, malformations etc etc.
Experts clearly say that cancer can be cured, and for cases detected early like the one described here in this article they are even described as "Often cured"
wallace
Not all experts. I am in my third year of being cancer free but it remains a possibility of returning and requires regular monitoring.
Certainly, some people with cancer especially in the first stages can have their cancer cured.
"A cure means that cancer has gone away with treatment, no more treatment is needed, and the cancer is not expected to come back. It’s rare that a doctor can be sure that cancer will never come back."
https://www.cancer.org/treatment/understanding-your-diagnosis/can-cancer-be-cured.html
virusrex
As long as any association of experts in cancer say it that is enough to make it a valid description, unless you can demonstrate they are wrong that any other expert do not do it becomes only a matter of personal preference.
A person that have some kinds of infection, defficiencie, unbalance, etc. also can have the possibility of his disease coming back years after being solved, that does not make it an argument to argue he was never cured. As your own quote shows, a cancer can be cured, there is nothing wrong with saying so.