Protesters attempt to enter Japan's consulate in Hong Kong

I really miss the point. What is the sole aim of these nationalists. I don't mean just here in Asia,but in other parts of the world as well. Aren't there enough problems in the world, without them ,and their own agenda. Plus the coverage the media gives them,that only fuels their cause.

It's idiots like this that end up getting people killed.

Funny how the right-wingers in China look just like those in Japan-very strange......

These guys are the few who ran onto the islands. Lots of noise over a few people who have too much time on their hands.

Grrr I hate exaggerated nationalistic people. Stop! China. give senkaku to the Japanese and spratly to the Filipinos.

Protesters attempt to enter Japan's consulate in Hong Kong

Maybe those Chinese in Hong Kong should study the history of Hong Kong a little more and work out the reason why Hong Kong has been such a democratic and free region to prosper in (I'll give you a hint, it has something to do with not having been part of China's state control).

The reason why Hong Kong Chinese have freedom and prosperity is because it has not been controlled by China until Britain's handover.

Japanese people are not as much patriotic (?) as these Chinese people. But I feel this patriotic or political move in China unnatural and unsound if it is happening among ordinary citizens. Many Japanese are busy with his or her individual life and don't have time to do such a thing and we think it is normal and natural.

Grrr I hate exaggerated nationalistic people. Stop! China. give senkaku to the Japanese and spratly to the Filipinos.

I understand your sentiment but how is China supposed to "give" something to Japan that is already Japanese property in the first place?

Seems to me that China, oopss I mean these protesters, always bark the loudest when a PM is losing power in Japan. So that would be like once every year or so.

That's the kind of things that happen when you use one sentence to say you're trying to "calm tensions" and the next to say you're "buying (disputed) islands".

So...let's see China try to take Japan to the ICJ over these islands. Far more productive regardess of outcome than acting like a bunch of out of control monkeys.

smithinjapanSep. 12, 2012 - 06:50PM JST That's the kind of things that happen when you use one sentence to say you're trying to "calm tensions" and the next >to say you're "buying (disputed) islands".

The J-govt did in fact try to "calm tensions" by pre-empting Ishihara and ensuring that he would not build on the islands, something that would get the mobs more riled up. It's not that diffucult to understand.

Hong Kong is just a backscratcher for the Red Chinese government.

Japanese people are not as much patriotic (?) as these Chinese people

There is a difference between being patriotic and being ignorant. But 'these Chinese people' are probably both.

Tiger, you are quite right. The average HK person has no interest in these islands & it's always the same loonies that get involved in this kind of thing. Meanwhile tens of thousands of people picketed govt offices last week to protest against proposals to teach "National Education" - i.e. how great China is. Contrary to what Crazy Joe says, we have no intention of being a backscratcher for the world's greediest capitalist nation.

wipeout, my point is about the pure hypocrisy of these protesting Chinese in Hong Kong, who for decades wanted to remain on British soil for it's freedom and prosperity and did not want to return to mainland China, taking advantage of such British democracy and freedom. Yet now they burn the flags of neighbour states to make the Chinese government happy. When non-Chinese freedom and democracy suits them personally it is fine, and yet they now support a repressive military regime bullying it's neighbours in south-east asia. Maybe we should ask these demonstrating Hong Kong Chinese if they would have preferred to have lived in Japan or in mainland China before the British handover. I think I know the answer and it certainly would not have been mainland China.

That's the kind of things that happen when you use one sentence to say you're trying to "calm tensions" and the next to say you're "buying (disputed) islands".

Japan can do what they hell they like with the Senkakus, buying them from their landowners or whatever, as they have been Japanese territory since 1895. The 'tensions' are being caused by the big bully in asia threatening ownership of another nations territory, not by Japan.

crazyjoe:

Hong Kong is just a backscratcher for the Red Chinese government.

Which planet do you come from? You have no idea. As Janetto says, there were massive protests against the government which wanted to introduce patriotism lessons in schools and make them obligatory. Most HKers were having one of this crap. And they sure as hell made their voices heard.

Tigers:

I understand your point but you have to realize that the vast majority of people in HK just don't care that much and would just prefer to get on with their lives. They have their own opinions (many would say that Diaoyutai is part of China) and they're entitled to their beliefs just as the Japanese are, but they are not going to want to damage relations with Japan.

Having said that, I think you give the British government too much credit. I don't think HKers ever had much say, politically speaking, during British rule. The last governor got his job because he'd actually lost his seat in a local election in the UK - the fact that HK was seen as a consolation prize, far less important than a small constituency in UK really pissed off a lot of HK people. And HKers weren't exactly treated as equals in the past.

Japan can do what they hell they like with the Senkakus, buying them from their landowners or whatever, as they have been Japanese territory since 1895.

Fine, as long as the same applies to Dokdo and the Southern Kuriles.

Fine, as long as the same applies to Dokdo and the Southern Kuriles.

Not the same at all. Senkaku has been Japanese land since the 19th century, So much so that the land is/ was actually owned by a Japanese family. Takeshima however was neutral ground stolen by the Koreans without international ratification under the guise of the Korean war. The Northern Territories were also invaded and stolen by the Russians after Japan had already surrendered in August 1945. It was Japanese territory long before the imperial Japanese army. The Chinese (and Taiwan) only started bleating about Senkaku when natural oil & gas was discovered. Big difference my friend.

Pukey, I am not handing any credit to the British nor supporting their colonisation of Hong Kong. However, Hong Kong has a cosmopolitan history of being open to international trading with an air of democracy. Hong Kong would not have been Hong Kong without getting on with other nations and cultures. Yet here we are today with people burning the flags of neighbour states and declaring territorial threats. Meanwhile supporting a military bully who has annexed Tibet, supported two major wars post-WWII, and who imprisons amd harrases it's own people for political oppostion or activity in human rights. The forefathers of Hong Kong will be turning in their graves.

Seems like storming embassies and burning flags is getting popular these days.

Tokyo agreed to purchase the islands, known in Japan as Senkaku and in China as Diaoyu, for 2.05 billion yen

I don't see how buying land from a bogus owner could strengthen Japan's claim over those islands. Any private ownership would have been rendered null and void in 1945 when Japan lost the war and gave up its sovereignty over the Ryukyu islands and Diaoyu islands according to the Potsdam Agreement and subsequently, the San Francisco Peace Treaty.

That is the reason why the Diaoyu islands and Ryukyu islands can't even be found in any map of Japan either published in Japan or other nations in the world between 1945 to 1971 such as this one:

http://retromaps.tumblr.com/image/30107477891

let's see China try to take Japan to the ICJ over these islands.

By telling the lie that China does not object to Japan's claim of sovereignty over those islands, i.e. the so called "no territorial dispute", the Japanese government has thus ruled out the possibility of bringing the case to the ICJ.

However, since Japan's claim over those islands is a violation of the Japanese Instrument of Surrender and the Potsdam Agreement which says:

"The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we (China, Russia, UK and US) determine."

China can always bring the case to the UN General Assembly or the UNSC.

By telling the lie that China does not object to Japan's claim of sovereignty over those islands, i.e. the so called "no territorial dispute", the Japanese government has thus ruled out the possibility of bringing the case to the ICJ.

False.

Declarations Recognizing the Jurisdiction of the Court as Compulsory

The States parties to the Statute of the Court may "at any time declare that they recognize as compulsory ipso facto and without special agreement, in relation to any other State accepting the same obligation, the jurisdiction of the Court" (Art 36, para. 2 of the Statute).

Each State which has recognized the compulsory jurisdiction of the Court has in principle the right to bring any one or more other State which has accepted the same obligation before the Court by filing an application instituting proceedings with the Court, and, conversely, it has undertaken to appear before the Court should proceedings be instituted against it by one or more such other States

Since Japan is a signatory, all China has to do is to sign the exact same declarations and Japan has to comply with the compulsory jurisdiction and judgement of the court.

Of course, the chicken$hit China with their obvious flimsy claim will not do this. Proof is in their silence.

“Japan is using the issue of Diaoyu Islands to reignite public sentiment, so I believe all Chinese people are angry,” Tsang told reporters.

So an elderly woman living in the mountains of Western China off of 100yen a week is angry too?

Yeah, I think the cartoon in the Economist this week summed it up pretty well. China doesn't want to negotiate with all the interested parties, they want to pick off the SE Asia countries one by one. I expect that this whole thing is being orchestrated by Beijing.

the pure hypocrisy of these protesting Chinese in Hong Kong, who for decades wanted to remain on British soil for it's freedom and prosperity and did not want to return to mainland China, taking advantage of such British democracy and freedom.

A little digging into HK history shows sedition rules were harsh under the British, and that HKer's were not allowed to demonstrate. Democracy for HK'ers was a subject never discussed. Defiant demonstrators of the 60's were beaten and tossed into jail. So it's ironic that demonstrators have freedom nowadays to protest for democracy.

FYI, the anti-Japan protesters are also pro-democracy and anti-PRC.

Guru29: "The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we (China, Russia, UK and US) determine."

Right. Then the declaration allowed to compose the SF Treaty by the Allies.

The 3rd article of SF peace treaty clearly Okinawa and its islands were under the U.S. rule. If Senkaku had been Chinese islands, it means that all the Allies had snatched the islands from China down to the U.S. rule. China said nothing for the US occupation. Then Okinawa prefecture was returned to Japan in 1972. Again China said nothing then.

When it asserts the error invalidity of a treaty, the announcement to the country directly concerned is required of Vienna Convention method 65 article.

However, no Allies have done announcement of error invalidity till today in September, 2012.

"We are extremely angry,” said Tsang Kin-shing, “Japan is using the issue of Diaoyu Islands to reignite public sentiment, so I believe all Chinese people are angry,” Tsang told reporters."

And I'm tired of all these people who can't control their anger. In another incident that JT will no doubt report on later, an American Ambassador was killed - by you guessed it, people angry about something that happened thousands of miles away.

Of course, the chicken$hit China with their obvious flimsy claim will not do this.

Most countries in the world accept only case-by-case basis and not compulsory jurisdiction. These countries include United States, Russia, China, France and etc. You think they are all Chicken just because they do not accept compulsory jurisdiction?

I think Japan is even more chicken because it even tells the lie that there is no such thing as territorial dispute when the whole world knows there is.

China said nothing for the US occupation. Then Okinawa prefecture was returned to Japan in 1972. Again China said nothing then.

Check your facts, Chamkun.

I see that all your "facts" are actually taken directly from Uyoko/ history revisionist websites and most of them aren't accurate. I have gone through all these "facts" with nigelboy before and I don't think I want to answer the same questions over and over again. However, if you are interested, you can always find my replies to your questions from my previous posts to nigelboy.

Now regarding the SFPT and the reversion/ retention treaty. China did denounce the SFPT and protested against the reversion/ retention treaty. Check your facts.

If Senkaku had been Chinese islands, it means that all the Allies had snatched the islands from China down to the U.S. Rule.

Who is the Allies that you are refering to? Is US = Allies?

Population of Hong Kong Island (not Kowloon or New Territories): 1,289,500

Population of Hong Kong as a whole (incl. Kowloon & NT): 7,061,200

Number of anti-Japanese protesters: 15

Conclusion: There are 15 Communist Party stooges in Hong Kong (plus the governor). Hong Kong people are not anti-Japanese and are not particularly interested in the Senkaku Islands conflict. This is a mainland Communist China problem.

HK Chinese are different to mainland Chinese. They are proud of their Chinese heritage but that doesn't include Communist Party heritage (witness the recent protests against China's trying to force patriotism lessons on their schools). HK Chinese are more concerned about their freedoms being curtailed by the CCP than with the Senkakus.

Guru29Sep. 13, 2012 - 09:15AM JST

I think Japan is even more chicken because it even tells the lie that there is no such thing as territorial dispute when >the whole world knows there is.

You're not thinking clearly. It;s up to the claimant to bring a claim to the ICJ. Japan can't bring a claim against itself. That China depite all it's chest beating won't do so is undeniable proof that it isafraid of doing so. And they have good reason. Not ony would their claim not stand an ice cune's chance in hell of winning in an ICJ forum, but it would open themselves up to ICJ claima from Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia and everybody in Asia with a dispute with China. Chinas has bver 17 territorial disputes with its neighbors.

Most countries in the world accept only case-by-case basis and not compulsory jurisdiction. These countries include United States, Russia, China, France and etc. You think they are all Chicken just because they do not accept compulsory jurisdiction?

The answer to that is YES.