Radiation from Fukushima plant spiked on U.S. west coast in March

“The levels we recorded aren’t a concern for human health. In fact, it took sensitive instruments, measuring radioactive decay for hours after lengthy collection of the particles to precisely measure the amount of radiation,”

So when you say "spike"....what you mean is negligibly higher than normal.

I agree with what the Guardian artcile said. I found the comments quite interesting too. It is true that other countries have the same issue of corruption and mutually beneficial relationships between government and industry - but the main difference seems to be that when it is exposed there is hell to pay and things change. Here, nothing ever does.

That article might also explain why there is still a long way to go. Explained by a professional expert or journalist better than by my amateurish comment.

The link says what most of us have been saying. It does give validation

just a tid bit of info for those concerned about the radiation and sickness it may cause... Drink Bamboo Tea.. Buy it or steep the leaves of the bamboo in hot water and drink it that way. Groves of Bamboo survived the Atomic Bombings of Japan , and studies in the US have determined that Bamboo can be used to treat people exposed to abnormally high lvls of Radiation. Cheers!

That article might also explain why there is still a long way to go. Explained by a professional expert or journalist better than by my amateurish comment.

That's not an article it's an editorial. There's not even a byline associated with it! And this is supposed to back up your ridiculous and baseless assertions like:

All japan is about secretiveness and superficiality.

The only requirement is obedience they need to be able to read the manuals.

Seriously, what sort of agenda are you trying to push here, anyway?

That article might also explain why there is still a long way to go. Explained by a professional expert or journalist better than by my amateurish comment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/16/editorial-fukushima-nuclear-dirty-tricks

to my post 05:37PM JST

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@garymalmgren 02:58PM JST

Hardly, it would take a very long post I normally have very limited time for that. Jt posting is just a hobby for me don't always explain my thoughts in depth. I know, that nobody likes to hear the bad news but here are a very few point from the at least 10 I could tell.

I.There was Tokaimura in 99 their ignorance was unprecedented. Following it here were many other accidents where carelessnes and ignorance was the same. Many of them were hardly publicized . This did not changed, nothing has changed and they learned nothing.

II. The structure of Japanese knowledge and industrial buildup. It's a consumer society, they build, they buy patents, they hire top engineers to design high tech things for them and then dismiss them, they don't have a full knowledge of whet they do and how things work, don't. They deal with everything as disposable, the structure as well as their handling of industrial products do not involve meaningful, costly professional maintenance, they don't have a culture, knowledge and stuff for that. Nobody can work at one place for long, they rotate their stuff , noone can undertand his own work and workplace in depth.

III. All japan is about secretiveness and superficiality.

IIII. Corporate culture, a bit elderly, well qualified person cannot get a job because they must be paid well and they might be a bit elderly than their boss. Even is Japan has great talent but its been wasted.

IV. NPP s are run by very cheap under trained stuff, as most things in Japan. They run highly sophisticated NPPs from manuals. The only requirement is obedience they need to be able to read the manuals. When need more serious maintenance or fixing anything they hire well qualified part time engineers for limited time to make it good and the contract is over, that's the way they control and run things and keep the power and control in their hands. it cannot be changed that's the yarikata.

V. No one can make decision in emergency situation, they need approval from their superiors, they need meeting to to make decisions, and nuclear disasters are not polite enough to wait the Japanese team spirit practicing executive to get rid of responsibility in a meting before deciding to shut down or make sense.

There are many more, I can't tell them all, sorry for the grammar and spelling mistakes, i have max. 2 minutes for a post.

And maybe it is from Japan; I'm not sure why this offends you so much.

It doesn't offend me. What does offend me is the lack of logic and rush to judgement that there's some detected radiation somewhere -> must be from Japan -> everybody's getting sick. We have enough real, documented problems without inventing new ones.

Read down the comment thread - as Cleo posted it looks like some local contamination at this site is causing the geiger counter to register radiation. So why assume it's from Japan? Turns out it likely wasn't.

Smorkian: "Well one, perhaps its not from Japan, and two, winds are blowing out to sea (generally) so radioactive particles wouldn't necessarily show up at Japanese detection sites."

And maybe it is from Japan; I'm not sure why this offends you so much. I agree with you though that it's odd this is news now when it was well known that there were spikes from the Fukushima plant months ago.

Overall, who cares. Humans must evolve, and if necessary, we will have to allow bodies to deal with more man made garbage. Sure glad I do not wear a burqua. I am happy to be desired.

On March 16, a report was released by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) stating that Canada’s Ontario Power Generation has released radioactive water into Lake Ontario via a leak in the Pickering A nuclear generating station. Later on, it was conveniently covered up.

Not to mention the NPP problems in the US in Nebraska, which of course were 'no problem' - not that the USNRC has mislead the public before.

They didn't cover it up well enough, Foxie - it turned up easily enough with a quick google.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/03/16/pickering-nuclear-leak.html

The question is is this really from Fukushima?

On March 16, a report was released by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) stating that Canada’s Ontario Power Generation has released radioactive water into Lake Ontario via a leak in the Pickering A nuclear generating station. Later on, it was conveniently covered up.

I expect at least four more nuclear accidents here.

Sorry Munya, but could you expand on that?

Utrack and Asagao.

You guys are killing me, the sides are splitting with all your scare-mongering and unverified sources.

I do take fukushima seriously and so should you, also been through chernobyl when it hit my home-town. Remember that one it affected a far greater region than fukushima did and people are still healthy and going strong.

To be honest your posts here would make for good comedy in the Ukraine and Europe and those areas remember chernobyl well.

Keep up the comedy. Maybe one day you can find reputable sources for your data.

Back on topic please.

the government instructing people not to use air conditioners.

The government has never instructed people not to use air conditioners. They have asked/advised people not to set the thermostats lower than necessary (28 degrees).

School kids playing outside (MAY) also develop (POTENTIALLY) life-threatening disorders, along with the general population.it will take time, but the effects (COULD) be felt.

Do some research on Chenobyl. Depression, drug addiction, alcoholism and AIDS all killed people as a result of that disaster.

Interesting stats. I wonder what the increase was as a result of this. I'm pretty sure that the former Soviet Union had very high alcoholism problems before Chernobyl. And I'm not entirely sure how AIDS could be linked directly to a nuclear disaster. Did it cause condoms to melt?

I suggest you follow up with your research on Chernobyl and see how many people died in Western Europe as a result of that and then try and do a similar model for Japan. And then think whether you're pushing information or disinformation.

People keep talking about Fukushima nuclear disaster as if is all over and nothing to worry about. It is NOT over. There is a mass of contaminated debris, tonnes of highly radioactive water and melted down reactors and rods. This is 5 months later and it is still leaking into the sea, water table and air. There is no cold shutdown. Food is contaminated and people are homeless. For those who didn't study science, the effects of radiation are accumulative with time. Just because there was no mushroom cloud doesnt mean it's safe. The people who died from heat, died because of this disaster and the government instructing people not to use air conditioners. School kids playing outside will also develop life-threatening disorders, along with the general population.it will take time, but the effects will be felt. Do some research on Chenobyl. Depression, drug addiction, alcoholism and AIDS all killed people as a result of that disaster. Fukushima will also indirectly take a toll. Now is the time to be proactive. To push for information, ideas and solutions.

It's just the beginning, there will be more, as there were more that we just don't know. The Japanese nuclear industry, as well as whole Japan seems to be slipping out of control.

I expect at least four more nuclear accidents here. Radiation covers the whole world. Our planet is nothing but a tiny spaceship traveling in space, so small that it takes no time to damage or contaminate it as a whole. It effects everybody. There is economic and political globalism, yet those who are responsible for the damage they cause seem to be unable to think really globally. No bad things can be localize, will spread in a way or other.

It"S MEAug. 16, 2011 - 12:54PM JST

Its always a pain in the butt, but we always have to ask ourselves the question: Why would he lie? I wish there was some easy way to tell who are the people who never lie, but there isn't. Even when we do find such a person, he never gets near enough appreciation.

It just so happens outsiders are generally more trustable than insiders, because outsiders tend t have less to lose among other things. This is true everywhere.

@ Farmboy

I hear you, The Hawaii News Daily webpage has local Hawaiian news mostly and some other states but your right it could be op-ed pieces. Not to sure about the Canadian link but I kept running across the same article they posted on other Canadian webpages though and that scared me.

Oh, yes. And when it comes to human health concerns, a Japanese scientist has be careful about not getting Japan Agriculture or any other farming groups breathing down his neck. One is always liable to get more hell from the government, lobbyists and corporations than adoration and gratitude from the public. Even in reverse, one is liable to get more adoration from government, lobbyists and corporations than hell from the public! Corrupt science and scientists are really not hard to find for this reason.

Case in point is the infant mortality rate cited in this thread. And yes, even this scientist might be corrupt, but he would be corrupt in reverse. There is not much downside to saying too much like with a Japanese scientist. He could make a reputation by inflating things, but it does not appear that he is or he could say something like "no level of contamination can be called safe".

Oracle.

Seen how US, French, German, etc scientists fudged numbers to extend a nuclear plants life-time by 20yr beyond the safety limit. The whole nuclear industry globally is the same and it has been reported often and that includes JT, CNN, BBC. The facts are out there and they don't look good, given reported existing problems.

When was the last time for example that did the US put a new plant online or upgraded one? No surprise California is hitting blackouts every year as their demand exceeds capability.

Heda_MadnessAug. 16, 2011 - 10:59AM JST

Funny. A scientist in the US says it poses no threat to health and it's accepted by the JT community. Yet when a Japanese scientist says the same...

Well, its well known that the Japanese media does not go around the government very much if at all. And they print press releases as fact. I would trust a Japanese scientist more if 1) he talked directly to foreign media and 2) I could be sure he had no links to the government or TEPCO.

Another important consideration is the fact that a Japanese scientist is very close to the problem. Issues of national pride are at stake here (don't ask me why though) and so is his reputation. He is apt to be all gingerfoot about things, because if he makes a mistake that displeases the government or TEPCO, there is liable to be hell to pay. Heck, if he says a truth that displeases them, there is liable to be hell to pay! I have more reason to believe an American scientist can and will speak freely, because none of those issues are a concern for him. But if the location of the disaster were reversed, then so would everything in this paragraph and number 2 of the first paragraph. I trust Japanese scientists for plenty of other things, but not this. There is quite a big pile of lies and "mistakes" that back up my position too.

Could be a reason only Hawaii is finding spikes - the monitoring station is covered in radioactive shingles.

This detection by the Kauai station brings up an interesting and related story. A few days before the recent alert, the station operator was remounting the external probe of the Geiger counter under the eaves of the structure, and unwittingly scanned the roof shingles themselves, only to discover an elevated reading at a sustained rate of easily twice normal background. Moving the probe in closer proximity to the shingled roof returned more frequent audible clicking, confirming the shingles were the source.

So the question is, "Why are these roof shingles emitting radiation - is it because of contamination over time by rainfall precipitating it own radioactive particles, or are the shingles themselves 'hot'?" To answer this, the station operator scanned a pile of surplus shingles in storage that had never been exposed to the rain, and found them to also set off the Geiger counter. (from Utrack's link)

If stations all over the place except Japan are finding spikes, the likelihood is that Japan is trying to cover something up. If no one anywhere is reporting spikes apart from this one facility, maybe this facility needs to be checked more carefully?

The only place I'm getting Spike info for June is Hawaii.

http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/07/kauai-station-suspects-new-traces-of-fukushima-radiation/

@ Smorkian

Thanks Man, I was scared there for a minute. It's 11pm here and I was about to start calling folks.

The number of infant deaths rose from 9.25 per week in the four weeks prior to March 19 to 12.5 per week in the following 10 weeks, according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control data.

Which would suggest that there is very little credibility to the article. Whilst those figures may well be true, at no point does anyone use any science to link the that with Fukushima.

A lot of elderly people have died in Japan this summer due to the heat. This is after March 11 and Fukushima. Perhaps I should write an article that there's been an increase in elderly deaths due to the Fukushima Nuclear Power plants.

Shocking how the worlds media suppresses information.

TEPCO is like the Illuminati. They have the ability to suppress any news anywhere, anytime.

Well utrack, you should read this: http://www.worldweatherpost.com/2011/06/18/fukushima-radiation-and-infant-mortality-in-the-nw-no-way/ Statistics is a dangerous game in the hands of people with an agenda!

Infant mortality in eight cities in the U.S. Northwest jumped 35 percent after Fukushima, according to an article by internist and toxicologist Janette Sherman and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano on the Counterpunch website in June.

This is from the link I posted, it is a CANADIAN webpage.

Stop the Press.

US infant mortality went up 35+% in the USA alone and no mention from any other country or the international media. Shocking how the worlds media suppresses information. And the 1st we hear about is not from the international media but a poster on JT.

I think Utrack really surpassed himself here. ;)

running across is the infant mortality rates went up 35+% percent since the radiation from Daiichi entered US drinking water.

Not entirely sure what this is supposed to mean. Are you saying that there's been an increase in infant mortality rates by 35%? If you are, then may I suggest you start looking elsewhere for your information.

I will keep looking all I'm running across is the infant mortality rates went up 35+% percent since the radiation from Daiichi entered US drinking water. Trying to see if there is the same information available for Japan.

Coaboration to Hawaii's findings from Canada

How is radiation detected in March in April in Canada corroboration of Hawaiian readings in June? From your link:

Health Canada detected massive amounts of radioactive material from Fukushima in Canadian air in March and April at monitoring stations across the country.

We already know there was radiation detected in March and April in the US and Canada. You are trying to corroborate a supposedly different release in JUNE.

Is there anyone actually surprised by these findings? There is a nuclear incident in Japan. The prevailing winds across the Pacific mean that the wind will take some of those radioactive particles across the Pacific which would lead to an increase above the normal levels ie a spike.

Coaboration to Hawaii's findings from Canada :

Japan’s Fukushima catastrophe brings big radiation spikes to B.C.

http://www.straight.com/article-415211/vancouver/fukushima-brings-big-radiation-spikes-bc

I guess some people believe you can just chuck rubbish into the sea and it will go away...I do beach cleaning and I can tell you that ain't true.

Hey everybody, look over there. It's a conclusion. On the count of three let's everybody jump to it. One... two...

Yes I am saying there was/is a coverup and that there needs to be independent monitoring. Even the UN and IAEA criticise Japan and TEPCO of not releasing information. I guess some people believe you can just chuck rubbish into the sea and it will go away...I do beach cleaning and I can tell you that ain't true.

Funny. A scientist in the US says it poses no threat to health and it's accepted by the JT community. Yet when a Japanese scientist says the same...

It would seem that the spike in Hawaii around June 10 would indicate that another massive and illegal dump of highly radioactive materials took place. TEPCO must of known about this.

So you're saying there's a coverup to something that may not have even happened? That's taking things a bit far.

The continual level mean radioactive materials are constantly being leaked.

What continual level? The original article talks about March - we know where this came from. Utrack's article mentions June, and it's uncorroborated information (no way to know if the equipment was even functioning, no other sites to confirm, no way to know where the radiation came from if it even existed...)

Interesting links, thank you. It would seem that the spike in Hawaii around June 10 would indicate that another massive and illegal dump of highly radioactive materials took place. TEPCO must of known about this. This is an international environmental crime that must end up in court. The continual level mean radioactive materials are constantly being leaked. All fishing must be halted and independent monitoring of levels and activity relating to deliberate or accidental release film, documented and kept as evidence.

Hawaii, etc detects spikes, yet those are not reflected by monitoring stations in Japan

The Japanese page I watch clearly shows the March spike.

http://radiation.goo.ne.jp/

Interesting Hawaii, etc detects spikes, yet those are not reflected by monitoring stations in Japan.

Well one, perhaps its not from Japan, and two, winds are blowing out to sea (generally) so radioactive particles wouldn't necessarily show up at Japanese detection sites.

I'm curious as to why this article is posted now. It was widely reported in March in the international media (and on this site) that radiation from Fukushima Daiichi was detected in the US and Canada. So why the new report?

Interesting Hawaii, etc detects spikes, yet those are not reflected by monitoring stations in Japan.

One in Mitaka/Tokyo: http://deeppurple.dip.jp/gm/

Interesting trend, and yes I am sure some poster will question the validity of those readings.

If it poses no heath risk why is it news?

This article gives a bit more information in terms of exact levels of the Spikes in radiation although it's from Hawaii and it's from June 10th. There have been a number of elevated radiation spikes being detected in Hawaii coming from Daiichi.

And there's no way to confirm where its from - read your link more closely.

Hawaii Monitoring Stations Detect Spike in Fukushima Radiation

http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/06/hawaii-monitoring-stations-detect-spike-in-fukushima-radiation/

This article gives a bit more information in terms of exact levels of the Spikes in radiation although it's from Hawaii and it's from June 10th. There have been a number of elevated radiation spikes being detected in Hawaii coming from Daiichi.

The below link is from June29th that is the day Hawaii got conformation that the Spikes in radiation were from Daiichi

Fukushima Spews

http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/06/fukushima-spews-los-alamos-burns-vermont-rages-we-almost-lost-nebraska/