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Wipeout

Though I tried to extend the olive branch, I see it's still only a "us or them" topic for you.

Black or white, with no exceptions, no room to ever change.

You haven't attacked anyone for questioning the safety of vaccinations? Lol, you lump all of them into the same catagory of being ignorant of science and worse.

While I believe science is very important tool for the world, many scientist and their conclusions are often proven to be wrong. Did you believe in the science that said smoking cigarettes was perfectly safe? Do you still believe in electric shock therapy simply because science showed it to be helpful? Its still being practiced today and is legal, therefore those scientist must be right, eh?

You discredit all scientific research (in regards to vaccination) unless it's only performed by CDC scientist or those with big pharma connections, the very scientist who you say will remove perfectly safe ingredients, simply for concern over public opinion.

I'll let you have the last word because I'm sure you will but this is my final reply on this article. Have at it.

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Wipeout

I guess will just have to agree, to disagree and move on.

The conversation started by me stating that vaccinations should be a personal choice and not a mandatory one. You replied to that and I anknoleged you made a good argument.

Then you had trouble with me posting the official CDC list of most commonly used ingredients in vaccines and attack anyone who questions the safety of them.

Ive never had any vaccinations as a child, due to medical reasons. As an adult, I simply chose not to have them. I'm 53 now and Chickenpox is the only trouble I've had.

Though I've traveled around the world a half a dozen times and have surely been in contact with many infectious viruses & bacteria, I'm still fine.

Maybe I've just been lucky or my immune system is strong due to genetics, gradual exposure to infectious agents my body could deal with, diet or everything combined.

In short, I don't see the point in continuing to reply to you in a defensive manor because nothing positive will occur from it.

You have your way and I have mine. I wish you happiness and good health!

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Measles is a benign dse that can easily be cured by grandma's soup.

An ignortant and dangerous post. Measles can cause deafness. blindness and can kill. The last measles epidemic in the UK paediatric ICU's were full of kids with measles as their parents hadn't vaccinated them.

Anti-vaxers are spreading dangerous lies.

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wipeoutToday  02:04 pm JST

As most people, I don't really know exactly what harmful effect Thimerosal has

Then I think you're wasting your time talking about it further.

"You brought it up, I only posted the official CDC list of most commonly used ingredients used in vaccines and you ran with it making many generalizations and assumptions.

Are you an expert on the topic, the one who used to use another name on these threads?"

It has been assessed and no evidence of harmful effects has been shown. In science, that is as far as they go for any ingredient, because it's as far as science can go.

"Yet, those so called exexpert scientist decided to remove it just for fun?"

To me, it's just like eating food with lots of preservatives

To you perhaps, but it isn't and it has no bearing on vaccine safety either.

None of those preservatives are a health benefit

Keeping food in edible condition, preventing growth of harmful bacteria or mold. Not being at risk of botulism is a distinct health benefit.

"Never had any trouble from any of those things with the food I buy, maybe you should try some more quality foods."

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Burning BushApr. 20  07:04 am JST

Take your kids down to Okinawa, so they can get Measles, recover in a few days, gain real life time immunity and then forgo the chemical cocktail vaccine.

Any chance you can be charged with giving medical advice.

I hope your knowledge goes as far as to explain the possible side effects of catching measles.

You know. like.... Blindness, hearing defects, neurological damage (encephalitis) birth defects to babies of pregnant women, possible miscarriage. etc etc.

You will explain the WHO report on over the 100s of thousands who have died over the years.

Maybe people should stop listening to people who just have an OPINION and start listening to the doctors, nurses who actually deal with this.

You will explain to them that 35 people died from the outbreak in Europe because those people took your advice, or ignored the medical advice.

Real life immunity.... the vaccine is a real virus, thats how you get immunity. Infact its even weaker than the real virus and is safer.

I wonder if you would ask these same people to go and actually catch the REAL polio?

Probably not but there have been a few people in Japan with polio. The last being in 1995. I guess people have forgotten why our children are healthier and live sooo long now.

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The doctor who produced a false medical article about vaccine was actually struck off the medical register because of his false research. His terrible research was terrible and it was actually removed by the BMJ. Infact i think he left the UK and ran away to the US.

Hiro S NobumasaApr. 20  06:19 pm JST

Overblown and hyped to the hilt!

Measles is a benign dse that can easily be cured by grandma's soup.

No need to take medication. In fact giving aspirin could do more da-Kine damage !

However I wish the colonizer Americans will be so fearful that they would leave Okinawa for good!

Seriously? What planet are you on? Kids die from this.Some pregnant women have had miscarriages while exposed to measles. Some children have died from this. I am so not sure whey you would say OVERBLOWN and HYPED.

You think it is overblown and hyped because you haven't met anyone who has been disabled or died from this. Roald Dahl the famous author who lost his daughter to measles expressed it perfectly.

Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old.

As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of colored pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn’t do anything.

"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.

"I feel all sleepy, " she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her.

That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.

On the other hand, there is today something that parents can do to make sure that this sort of tragedy does not happen to a child of theirs. They can insist that their child is immunized against measles. I was unable to do that for Olivia in 1962 because in those days a reliable measles vaccine had not been discovered. Today a good and safe vaccine is available to every family and all you have to do is to ask your doctor to administer it.

It is not yet generally accepted that measles can be a dangerous illness.

Believe me, it is. In my opinion parents who now refuse to have their children immunized are putting the lives of those children at risk…

So what about the risks that your children will run from being immunized?

They are almost non-existent. Listen to this. In a district of around 300,000 people, there will be only one child every 250 years who will develop serious side effects from measles immunization! That is about a million to one chance. I should think there would be more chance of your child choking to death on a chocolate bar than of becoming seriously ill from a measles immunization.

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Wipeout

The links you gave say absolutely nothing about the CDC scientist or vaccine manufacturers removing Thimerosal because of public opinion on the topic.

However, the manufacturer stated they removed it as a precautionary messure.

As most people, I don't really know exactly what harmful effect Thimerosal has or doesn't have on the human body. To me, it's just like eating food with lots of preservatives, since none of those preservatives are a health benefit, I assume they're put there simply for a cheap way keep their profits to a maximum rather than take a loss.

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wipeoutToday  02:45 am JST

I never said anything about vaccines being the cause of autism.

True, but autism is the main focus of people who focus on thimerosal in vaccines and dismiss the scientific evidence concerning safety. Perhaps you weren't aware of that?

"It wasn't my main focus nor did I mention anything about it until you used the topic to deflect."

I did say that, though I didn't actually specify that it had been removed from all vaccines, as I have always been aware that it hasn't.

"Ah, so your statement was similar to saying that MSG has been removed from Chinese food. A generalization that's true and false."

Rather than confirming that fact, you only imply that anyone who is against the use of Thimerosal being added into vaccines, also believe vaccines cause autism.

Perhaps you took it that way, but I'm aware that people are against it for a bunch of other reasons as well. Rarely reasons that are soundly scientific, however: in other words, they actively reject the science available on the subject that shows no evidence of harm.

"It was the "scientist" who removed Thimerosal from some vaccines and you claim they only removed it because of public opinion, says a lot about their moral compass as a "scientist".

"Do you have any proof that scientist only removed Thirmerosal because of public opinion or is that just your assumption as well?"

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We've been through this pattern before, with MMR being replaced by MR in Japan due to public fears stirred by Andrew Wakefield about MMR and, again, no observable drop in autism rates.

I'm fairly sure the dropping of MMR in Japan had nothing to do with the autism scare. From memory (not so good) I think there was concern about a high side effect rate of meningitis, thought to be linked to the mumps component of the vaccine.

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Actually, you don't need the tourists, just their money. So do a Go Fund Me for Okinawa. I remember Okinawa, but of course from fifty years ago. I understand the problems of being a place of a lot of young military, not to mention that they must feel like it is a Army of Occupation that has been there forever. Not too mention that every military base ends up as a Hazardous Waste site over the years.

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Wipeout, I never said anything about vaccines being the cause of autism. Though you definitely said that Thimerosal had been removed from children's vaccines, while I pointed out that it hasn't been removed from all of them.

Rather than confirming that fact, you only imply that anyone who is against the use of Thimerosal being added into vaccines, also believe vaccines cause autism.

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You guys spouting no vaccinations or measles is not serious realize it has killed millions right? Don't be a fool vaccinate your kids.

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Vaccinate your children. It’s free as a preventative measure. No child’s health should be in jeopardy in this age and time.

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Overblown and hyped to the hilt!

Measles is a benign dse that can easily be cured by grandma's soup.

No need to take medication. In fact giving aspirin could do more da-Kine damage !

However I wish the colonizer Americans will be so fearful that they would leave Okinawa for good!

Man, that would be nice!

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Wipeout

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I'm familiar with herd immunity theory, though I cant find any studies that show this is the problem, related to measles or the situation in Okinawa.

Ok, so you're concerned with the 5% who don't get immunity after receiving vaccination or those who can't be vaccinated because of other health issues. You make a good point and I can't argue against it.

As for Thimerisal being removed from all children's vaccines, it's not true. Yes it has been removed from many but not all.

From CDC source

The article starts by saying, "Why is Thimerisal still being used in some children's flu vaccines?"

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While plenty of people are Anti-Vaccine for measles, whooping cough etc,would they also be against vaccines for Polio, Yellow Fever,Smallpox, and other life threatening diseases. I'm old enough to remember the Polio epidemics of the 1940s ---you don't see such epidemics nowadays because of the vaccines that are available. Give me the vaccines any day!

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Posted before providing the link:

https://www.cdc.gov.tw/english/info.aspx?treeid=e79c7a9e1e9b1cdf&nowtreeid=e02c24f0dacdd729&tid=F357286ED8622D31

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One of the real problems is the take up rate of the MR vaccine in Okinawa, notably Naha. Well below 95%, actually around 70%. That’s the spread predetermined right there. There’s also a feeling that the Taiwanese patient zero was more likely a mainlander, Taiwan has one of the world’s highest take up rates of the vaccine.

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Take your kids down to Okinawa, so they can get Measles,

then travel back, infecting hundreds en route. They can pass it on to as-yet unvaccinated babies, the elderly, and people with low immunity already suffering a serious illness.

Idiot.

Yep.

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I wonder if they will require tourists to get their vaccines before coming to Okinawa so that we don’t have any outbreaks?!

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If it is in Okinawa it is probably everywhere. Don’t cancel your trip to a wonderful place.

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Take your kids down to Okinawa, so they can get Measles,

then travel back, infecting hundreds en route. They can pass it on to as-yet unvaccinated babies, the elderly, and people with low immunity already suffering a serious illness.

Idiot.

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Vaccinate your kids.

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Yep, vaccines are safe, that’s why so many people died after getting flu vaccines that were supposed to protect them from the flu! Oh wait I guess that’s FAKE NEWS!

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I always check ingredients because I’m a vegetarian.

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It must be five or more years ago now, but at the time there was a big measles outbreak in Japan. I had the vaccine then as doctors were saying the risks to adults of contracting measles were greater than to children.

People who are anti-vaccination are invariably talking rubbish: they are not doctors and have no medical education or training. They copy and paste stuff they find on the internet that some other idiot (also with no knowledge of the subject) has written. If you want to comment on the safety of vaccines I want to see your data collected from controlled trials and I want you to explain the trial methodology. You can cite papers published in reputable, peer-reviewed journals. That's the only way you will be taken seriously.

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Biological warfare by a certain unfriendly neighbor well known for defecating and urinating in public and other unhygienic habits?

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However, the main benefit of childhood vaccines being that they take the edge of the symptoms. No vaccine equals full strength symptoms which can lead to, in albeit unusual circumstances, death. You can still contract measles post vaccine but recover much faster.

I agree with Stuart about awareness of ingredients in vaccines but the food chain is now so contaminated it's difficult to know what we consume now. The vaccines ingredients can't be any worse than what we consume in our food.

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Some vaccines have been more harmful than diseases lately:-/

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If the measles vaccine is so effective, then what's the worry about people who choose to not have it? The only risk would be to themselves, right? It sounds like a personal choice rather than a mandatory one.

Either way, people should at least read the ingredient list of any vaccine before blindly having them.

Here is the official CDC list of most common ingredients added to vaccines.

suspending fluid (e.g. sterile water, saline, or fluids containing protein);

preservatives and stabilizers to help the vaccine remain unchanged (e.g. albumin, phenols, and glycine); and

adjuvants or enhancers to help the vaccine to be more effective.

Common substances found in vaccines include:

 Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

 Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.

 Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

 Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.

 Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

 Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

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theres always gonna be something like this happening when you have all these mostly Chinese tourists flooding the island.

but we all know that when it comes down to it, it’s alll about money, no concern for the health and safety of the locals when tourists are buying everything off the shelves!!

before it was sars now it’s measles, what’s going to be the next thing? :-/

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@Wipeout: It is extremely dangerous to those in the womb.

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Damage to tourism feared, damage to humans okay

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