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Seven still missing after U.S. Osprey crash off Japan

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That's a real tragedy. Hopefully there is a miracle and some/all survive. If not, RIP.

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That flying crap is a danger for Japan soil and the ones who ride on it...

-2 ( +8 / -10 )

Sometimes just emergency landing on other times, it really crash.

2023

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/09/15/2-marine-corps-ospreys-diverted-after-cockpit-caution-warnings-force-landing-japan.html

2021

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210924/p2a/00m/0na/004000c

2019

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/04/02/national/u-s-osprey-makes-emergency-landing-western-japan-airport

2018

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/06/04/national/two-u-s-ospreys-make-emergency-landings-island-southwest-japan/

2017

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/08/30/national/possible-instrument-malfunction-blamed-u-s-osprey-making-emergency-landing/

2016

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/14/us-osprey-mv22-fleet-grounded-japan-okinawa-aircraft-crash-military

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The U.S. military needs to find out what is going on at that base. Standards and procedures are not obviously not being followed.

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The U.S. military needs to find out what is going on at that base. 

I don't know now but in the past there was active cover up to reveal actual issue

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/01/14/national/u-s-report-reveals-cover-osprey-mishap-2014/

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Still holding hope for recovery of the seven, but time is slipping away sadly.

If they are lost, then these men died in the defense of Japan. I'm sure the nation will be forever grateful.

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Good link sakurasuki. The Osprey was indeed plagued with mechanical issues which has since been fixed by both engineering retrofits and new flight procedures.

That said, both of those things may not have been properly adopted by that base. Which seems to be the obvious case. This would also mean a failure by base command, who is always responsible for those under their command. Hence, requiring investigation by U.S. regional command.

Bottom line, once is a mistake, more than once is dereliction.

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If they are lost, then these men died in the defense of Japan. I'm sure the nation will be forever grateful.

Duh.

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a bit cold for scuba diving now?

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

And the biggest crash of all, in April this year, never gets a mention in these recent articles. Are people's memories so short? Or is that too being quietly covered up?

2023 Miyakojima helicopter crash - Wikipedia

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Admittedly not an Osprey, but in a strikingly similar situation.

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54000 USA solders, god knows how many boat, planes, subs, planes, helicopters and drones and satellites, and Japanese citizens have to pay tax money for the rescue.

it wonderful though that Japanese help out, and the water is warm so I think they survive, god willing.

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StefanToday 10:31 am JST

54000 USA solders, god knows how many boat, planes, subs, planes, helicopters and drones and satellites, and Japanese citizens have to pay tax money for the rescue.

The coast guard is designed for this. You wouldn't want the US navy declaring an exclusion zone in the area, would you?

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Admittedly not an Osprey, but in a strikingly similar situation.

Not really. All the eye witness accounts and video camera recordings of the helicopter involved in the Miyakojima helo crash showed the Blackhawk flying straight and level at a legal altitude and nothing visibly abnormal before disappearing, while the USAF V-22 in this incident was observed with an engine fire before it crashed.

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And the biggest crash of all, in April this year, never gets a mention in these recent articles. Are people's memories so short? Or is that too being quietly covered up?

Mishap investigations take a lot of time when there are no survivors and no on board recording devices, and the wreck is underwater in the ocean. The wreckage has to be retrieved and reassembled in a hanger or warehouse for the mishap investigation team to examine in detail. I had some training on this and fortunately never had a mishap to investigate ( I was a helicopter detachment safety officer while on active duty). The manual we were given had thirteen pages devoted to light bulb analysis. Light bulbs can tell you if they were lit or not at the time of the crash and whether or not they were lit can tell you if there were warning lights illuminated, systems working normally and a lot of other things. But when the wreckage is under water some information can be lost to corrosion and marine growth. And crashes are often in not very nice places to work. If you think the job is easy, go ahead and try to get a job doing it.

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Accidents happen, even in times of peace. But shouldn't an aircraft built for war be able to make at least a controlled descent with one engine still running?

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Accidents happen, even in times of peace. But shouldn't an aircraft built for war be able to make at least a controlled descent with one engine still running?

Yes, if the pilot follows the emergency procedures published in the flight manual. I have personally survived an engine failure in a twin engine helicopter. But, the V-22 was over water with an engine on fire. The crew was probably praying they can make it to dry land to land. I once had a situation where we thought we were going to have to execute a controlled ditch and buddy you don't understand a clenched sphincter until you are contemplating going upside down in cold water (they never stay upright after the rotors stop) and having to swim clear of a sinking aircraft. An 18 year old sailor figured a way out of our predicament, a landing gear problem, and we were able to land safely on our ship, but the thought of ditching in the deep blue sea even with your ship right there is scary. REALLY scary.

We had an joke when I was active duty, someone asks you if you can still fly that thing if an engine quits.

"Sure you can, flies just fine. It'll take you all the way to the scene of the crash. Get you there before the fire trucks too !" Gallows humor is how we kept ourselves centered /:

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They can't survive 24 hours in a cold sea.

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