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Shibuya Ward in Tokyo plans to enact an ordinance banning drinking alcohol on streets and in parks all year-round from 6 p.m. to 5 a.m.

The ward has already placed restrictions on street drinking for Halloween and New Year's Eve since 2019, but now intends to submit a bill to the local assembly this month to extend the restriction for the entire year. If enacted, it will go into effect from Oct 1.

However, the restriction carries no penalty or fines. Instead, police patrols will issue warnings to anyone they see drinking alcohol on streets and in parks in the ward.

Shibuya Mayor Hasebe Ken said, "We have strengthened patrols and other measures over the past year, but when people do drink, we want them to enjoy themselves inside a bar,” NHK reported.

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However, the restriction carries no penalty or fines. Instead, police patrols will issue warnings to anyone they see drinking alcohol on streets and in parks in the ward.

*Shibuya Mayor Hasebe Ken said, "We have strengthened patrols and other measures over the past year, but when people do drink, we want them to enjoy themselves inside a bar,” NHK reported.*

The economic realities the LDP/BOJ policies have imposed on people, especially the young, with rising prices and stagnant income means many will ignore the rule and warnings and try to catch some of that joie de vivre on the cheap.

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Countdown until the first video of foreigners being berated by locals for ignoring the ban and street drinking.

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Central govt urge people to drink

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118163173/japans-tax-alcohol-young-people-campaign

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-urging-young-adults-drink-more-alcohol-tax-revenue/

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While ward government try to prohibit people to drink

Shibuya Ward in Tokyo plans to enact an ordinance banning street drinking all year-round from 6 p.m. to 5 a.m.

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Japan used to be a free country till the end of the 90s.

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However, the restriction carries no penalty or fines.

So exactly like Halloween, when the "security guards" say " you cannot drink here". You can just smile and say "Thank you for your advice now go cosplay somewhere else."

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Countdown until the first video of foreigners being berated by locals for ignoring the ban and street drinking.

And if they are breaking the rules, dont foreigners deserve the berating?

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I guess this will eventually spread to other big cities, such a shame.

This will lead to more people drinking at home, ALONE

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The police has nothing else to do? No fine and restricting freedoms and smells of just a semi legal easy to harass people.

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I said last year they were going to do this, and I got called a conspiracy theorist. All of that talk about trying reduce risks in Shibuya during Halloween and prevent a stampede like in Itaewon - it was all a lie. A big, fat LIE. They have been totally dishonest about their intentions from the start, and this is the confirmation. Their true intention is to clamp down on young people and foreigners because Shibuya is pretty much the only place in Tokyo where people actually let loose.

During Covid, when all of the bars were closed and dining hours were limited to 8PM, young people and foreign residents fatigued with all the mindless curfews assembled in Shibuya and were able to socialize and continue living their lives to some extent. Elderly curmudgeons noticed this and got angry. They couldn't stand the fact that some young people didn't want to gaman and burn away precious years of their young life to put on this facade that they cared about stopping the spread of the virus.

So then it came to, "Okay, well, you don't know your place, so we'll pluck away your precious Halloween ceremony". They've used a multitude of excuses for telling people not to come - first, it will spread the virus they said, then after that they used the Itaewon excuse (even though Itaewon is much smaller and cramped than Shibuya), and now I guess they are using the excuse of trash and unruliness, even though the Shibuya locals, much like the Kyoto locals, would rather point fingers than tell their representatives to install more trashbins.

Even though they told people not to come to Shibuya and used thinly-veiled threats on Halloween... people still came last year. The young people are not buying into the lies. Maybe at school and at their jobs they have to put on a front (tatemae), but when they're in costume, amongst a sea of other partygoers, honne comes out.

So now the new punishment to inflict upon them is to try to change Shibuya and end the public drinking.

Here's what working and middle-aged Japanese people need to understand: the more you go out of your way to avoid confronting your country's problems like its work culture and strict conformism, the more you are kicking the can down the road. All of the rules and anti-foreign tourist stuff is just a distraction. Japan has been able to coast thanks to the wealth accumulated during the bubble era, but it will run out eventually. If young people see no opportunity to find happiness in life due to economic conditions, you are setting up your society for eventual unrest or potentially an uprising. There needs to be reform. I think people leaving trash in Shibuya or Kyoto should be the LEAST of peoples worries. People want to party on Halloween and New Years because it is an escape from the mundanity of daily life. But it may be that in the future young people come to Shibuya to protest in large numbers. So count your blessings now.

All this is to say: let people buy their FamilyMart beers and drink on Center-Gai. It's not that big of a deal. Just set up some trashcans, instead of trying to create this moral crisis and assign blame.

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This is what happens when old

people run the country, they stop young people from having fun.

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And Bravo wolfshine. I am in total agreement with your post. It seems like another way of “hammering down the nail that sticks up.” I don’t blame the youth for wanting something better than work, work, kids, work and death.

This is exactly what I have been saying. It is exactly that older Japanese people basically dehumanize younger Japanese and see them as more of a resource than actual people.

A similar phenomenon to the Shibuya public drinking thing is the moral crisis over cannabinoids. Marijuana is obviously very illegal in Japan, but last year there was a very popular legal alternative called HHCH, another cannabinoid with similar effects. They immediately moved to make it illegal because a few individuals got dizzy from consuming large amounts of it. It wasn't like this thing caused people to have seizures or go into cardiac arrest. It was just a loophole. But rather than let bygones be bygones, they had to put a stop to it. Even though they did literally no research, no clinical trials, or even advance some sort of legislation in the Diet. Is that really democratic?

I think young people in Japan should be incredibly angry and in the streets right now given how they are treated. It may take some time for those sentiments to fully manifest - but at least some more dynamic alternatives are starting to emerge in the political scene, such as Renho and Taro Yamamoto.

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More anti-human nonsense. What's next? Restrictions on nampa? Speaking to the opposite sex? Walking within two metres of the opposite sex? Totally segregated subway carriages? Workplace relationships verboten. Could the birthrate decline be related to these sort of restrictions...?

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It starts at 6:00PM? meh.... who cares. that's still a good 5 hours of solid drinkin' before the clock hands are straight up and down.

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First, grown and sexy adults do not go to Shibuya station to hangout all night walking the streets with a Chu-hi. They go to places in Minato city and Shinjuku city. Old folks go to the East side shitamachi. The younger and less financially established go there to hang out.

Second, how many young people of drinking age do you know in Japan that drink alcohol on the street in Shibuya before 6:00PM? This is basically indirectly saying no alcohol is allowed on the streets in Shibuya city.

Third, that ban goes beyond Shibuya station but all the popular neighborhoods and stations within Shibuya city which unbeknownst to the average person unclearly borders Shinjuku, Minato,, Setagaya, Nakano etc. I can literally be on a small street in a Tokyo neighborhood and one house is Shibuya city and walk 6 steps to the other side of the street and house is another city. Some places/establishments also have another city's name in the title, but a Shibuya address.

Fourth, If the resident young people no longer want to be manipulated by old Japanese men then boycott. Stop going to Shibuya or at least Shibuya station and find a new city other than Shibuya to hangout. Once it no longer becomes popular for young people of adult age then all those other age groups and tourist that follow the trends of young locals will stop coming as well. That will make all that young money and their followers dry up.

Fifth, vote!

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Nobody needs to drink on the street. There are so many bars and eateries.

It's nothing to do with conspiracy theories about attacking young people, most first world countries ban open street drinking.

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So breakfast beer to go and lunch sake to go is still cool. Yes!

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Drinking in public is illegal in my country. This is not controversial.

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Drinking in public is illegal in my country. This is not controversial.

Sure, there are! In theocracies like in the middle East where all alcohol is banned or communist countries like China that spy on its citizens and establish secret police centers in other countries to illegally arrest them abroad for any slight at the CCP. Those are not the extremes that we want to emulate.

A fair balance is needed!

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Shibuya Mayor Hasebe Ken said, "We have strengthened patrols and other measures over the past year, but when people do drink, we want them to enjoy themselves inside a bar,” 

all about that money, eh kenny boy?

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Shibuya Policeman #1: Ah, so sorry, no drinking time now. OK?

Random Guy on drink #7: Huh? Whaddya mean? This is Japan. Everyone drinks!

Shibuya Policeman #1: MMmmMmMmm, eh to ne...Tonight, no drinking. It is new rule. OK?

Random Woman on drink 40: Yea, it's a new rule and all, just say you forgot.

Random Guy on drink #7: Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot. Proceeds to walk away and secretly takes out drink #8.

Shibuya Policemen #1 & #2 & #3,4,5,6,7: Chotto, sumimasen. Excuse me, us, eh to ne, no drinking rule.

Random Guy on drink #7 and 8: Oh, sorry. I forgot.

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Like many nations, just ban public drinking. It's not necessary and servees little to no public good.

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Never really went there anyway, who cares?

Less money to be generated, I think you’re going to get a bunch of complaints from businesses about that and less tax money to embezzle

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Although the only times I drink outside now is during hanami or festivals, when I was young and poor I tended to take a beer on the park bench with a friend from time to time. Looking forward Japanese will get poorer and looking for more ways to save money, so feels a bit opposite to the times ahead, but I guess that might also be the point, they want more people buying stuff in the bars.

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The only time I can think of ever drinking a beer in public was sitting next to the pond in Ueno park having just got off the Skyliner and hadn’t been in Japan for 15 years…that was ten years ago

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People can still say it's just a case of old people having a big whinge - which considering there have been no actual incidents of violence - it most certainly is.

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when I was young and poor I tended to take a beer on the park bench with a friend from time to time

Exactly. I don't do it these days but saved a bit of money grabbing a can after work with colleagues back in the day. The old timers are just too far removed from that though and maybe they think they can transfer that revenue to the local bars? Good luck squeezing blood from stones.

As asked by some commenters here for the Halloween and New Years ordinance articles, who pays for all these toothless security guards?

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As teens we were putting vodka in Slurpees and rye in bottles of Coke. No doubt this sort of easily concealed drinking will carry on with "authorities" all proud and full of themselves thinking they've accomplished something.

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Majority of countries don't permit drinking in public and it has nothing to do with an aging population. People whine about anything nowadays. And let's face it, it may be illegal in Japan but often if you do it respectfully, nobody even the police will say boo.

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Not a drinker myself, but I love that you can drink in public in Japan. I hope it never changes!

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owzerToday  03:19 pm JST

Not a drinker myself, but I love that you can drink in public in Japan. I hope it never changes!

What's to love about it if you're not a drinker?!

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There is no problem with people drinking in public. However, if people cause public disorder then arrest and charge them, whether they are drinking or not. Do we ban people from driving in case they speed? Ban people from entering shops in case they shoplift? This is Japan not Saudi Arabia.

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Mr KiplingToday  03:33 pm JST

There is no problem with people drinking in public.

However, if people cause public disorder then arrest and charge them, whether they are drinking or not. Do we ban people from driving in case they speed? Ban people from entering shops in case they shoplift?

Oversimplification - problems can arise from public drinking, such as increased public disorder, noise, and littering, as we have seen in Shibuya during certain events. These are distinct from the potential consequences of driving or shopping, which have different contexts and regulatory measures.

The comparison between public drinking and driving or entering shops is a false equivalence. Public drinking often directly correlates with public disorder and nuisance, while driving and entering shops are not inherently problematic activities. The risks associated with these activities are different in nature and impact.

Banning public drinking will not lead to irrational bans on other activities like driving and shopping. This is a slippery slope fallacy - that one regulation will inevitably lead to extreme and unrelated regulations without providing evidence for this progression.

This is Japan not Saudi Arabia.

Japan and Saudi Arabia have vastly different approaches to public behavior and legal systems so hardly the best of comparisons.

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 However, if people cause public disorder then arrest and charge them, whether they are drinking or not.

I guess the idea behind banning drinking in public places is to prevent disorder long before it happens. Whether it works is a different story. It seems laws vary considerably around the world (see link below). Here in Scotland, it varies by location. You can drink in public in Edinburgh but not in Glasgow. The ban in Glasgow is intended to reduce violent behaviour.

As teens we were putting vodka in Slurpees and rye in bottles of Coke. 

My mother-in-law (aged 94) often walks around with a plastic bottle of water half-filled with shochu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_in_public

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Mr KiplingToday  03:33 pm JST

*There is no problem with people drinking in public. However, if people cause public disorder then arrest and charge them, whether they are drinking or not. Do we ban people from driving in case they speed? Ban people from entering shops in case they shoplift? *This is Japan not Saudi Arabia.

Drinking in public is banned in many countries and they're not all governed by Sharia Law. In the US, it's state by state. In Canada, Quebec is the only province where it's permitted. Finland, Norway, Poland, etc., also illegal Even in Italy, it's illegal in certain city areas. But even though it's illegal, many in including the police will turn a blind eye as long as it's discreet.

Most likely the residents of Shibuya ward who actually live there, have a reason why. Just go drink in another ward.

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Does drinking on the street make you more drunk and belligerent than getting blasted in a bar and then going outside does?

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HawkToday  04:46 pm JST

Does drinking on the street make you more drunk and belligerent than getting blasted in a bar and then going outside does?

False equivalency between drinking in a bar and drinking in public - there are big differences.

Bars provide a controlled environment with staff to monitor behavior (i.e. they can stop serving or even remove patrons who are very drunk), while public spaces have no such oversight.

Public drinking can lead to greater disorder, visibility to minors, and enforcement challenges.

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What's to love about it if you're not a drinker?!

I love that people can freely enjoy themselves. What's not to love about that?

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62585809.amp

And to think two years ago the government was trying to encourage young people to drink!

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owzerToday  06:14 pm JST

What's to love about it if you're not a drinker?!

I love that people can freely enjoy themselves. What's not to love about that?

It's a sad world if people need alcohol to enjoy themselves.

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I remember when this was called a conspiracy theory when they announced it 'Just for Halloween and New Year'

Freedom erodes slowly, so the fools don't suffer it until it's gone.

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Why? It is legal to drink in public in Japan.

but when people do drink, we want them to enjoy themselves inside a bar,

Screw that! I just want to get a can of chu-hai and drink it somewhere around, with fresh air and no selfish smoker making my clothes reek of that nasty smell.

Seriously, this is one of the greatest pleasure of Japan. Why do they want to turn this into that "freedom" country?

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False equivalency between drinking in a bar and drinking in public - there are big differences.

Bars provide a controlled environment with staff to monitor behavior (i.e. they can stop serving or even remove patrons who are very drunk), while public spaces have no such oversight.

Public drinking can lead to greater disorder, visibility to minors, and enforcement challenges.

You are under the false assumption that will happen. Nothing is stopping anyone from going to a bar behaving respectful and drinking there fill in a bar until they are pi#'$ drunk. Then go outside and act of fool like all the Chu-hi by the conbini, Yamashita park, or hachiko folks!

Responding to Hawk's question:

Does drinking on the street make you more drunk and belligerent than getting blasted in a bar and then going outside does?

Simply, no!

The real difference is eluded to by Shogun36:

all about that money, eh kenny boy?

People who go to hang out in Shibuya do not want to go to bars or clubs and pay for overpriced and watered-down drinks. They can get a better experience for a cheaper price by going to the conbini and posting up somewhere around Shibuya to people watch and talk with folks.

Even the people who live in Shibuya go other places like Ebisu, Roppongi, Daikanyama, Omotesando, Meguro/Nakameguro, and Setagaya for a better bar or club experience. Even the host/hostess businesses are struggling in the Shibuya area.

That is not the kind of people who come to hang out around Shibuya station. They are less financially established, tourists, or day laborers like those who are working in the stores during the day or those who are working on the new project near the Kuyakusho. Neither are going to financial boost the Shibuya club and bar scene. These people also do not spend a lot of or any money in those new shopping buildings on either side of Shibuya station. Yamashita park shopping is only getting some attention despite it being ok.

Ken does not understand his demographic.

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False equivalency between drinking in a bar and drinking in public - there are big differences.

Bars provide a controlled environment with staff to monitor behavior (i.e. they can stop serving or even remove patrons who are very drunk), while public spaces have no such oversight.

I'm talking about being drunk in public. It doesn't matter where you drank. And yeah, stop serving or remove drunk, obnoxious drinkers and where are they going to go? Onto the streets, of course, where they will be just as anti-social, loud, visible to kids and messy as those who got drunk on cans from the convenience store.

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It's a sad world if people need alcohol to enjoy themselves.

Marlon, but it's a wonderful world when people have the choice!

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Another day, another pompous costly taxpayer funded Shibuya Mayor Hasebe Ken, self gratifying look at me,, ludicrous vanity project.

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Parks, this means Hanami parties will only be with soft drinks ?

How will it be restricted during the Cheery Blossoms. I can not imagine Japanese going away from the tradition of being drunk in parks during this period

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owzer, thumbs up from me, just respect, enjoy, no littering.

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owzer, thumbs up from me, just respect, enjoy, no littering.

Absolutely! Enjoy, but not at other people's expense (money / time / effort / comfort).

Cheers!

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Every time I hear Shibuya Mayor Hasebe Ken, the first thought that enters my mind is self promotion.

All, sooner or later, local and national tax payers, will have to foot the bill for.

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'However, the restriction carries no penalty or fines.'

The good will sheepishly follow the rule, the bad will flout it. I am a foreigner possessed of completely different mental equipment, so I would drink in Shibuya without compunction. Absent a benign, all-pervasive ijime, Japanese society would degenerate. It doesn't, so we should be grateful but not bullied.

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"We have strengthened patrols and other measures over the past year, but when people do drink, we want them to enjoy themselves inside a bar,”

As has been noted here previously. the bans on drinking alcohol in public have nothing to do with safety concerns, as the excuse was used for Halloween and New Year's Eve, and the overgeneralized emotional reach argument that what happened in the Itaewon tragedy could happen in Shibuya.

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HawkToday  07:31 pm JST

False equivalency between drinking in a bar and drinking in public - there are big differences.

Bars provide a controlled environment with staff to monitor behavior (i.e. they can stop serving or even remove patrons who are very drunk), while public spaces have no such oversight.

I'm talking about being drunk in public. It doesn't matter where you drank. And yeah, stop serving or remove drunk, obnoxious drinkers and where are they going to go? Onto the streets, of course, where they will be just as anti-social, loud, visible to kids and messy as those who got drunk on cans from the convenience store.

> Open-mindedToday  07:13 pm JST

False equivalency between drinking in a bar and drinking in public - there are big differences.

Bars provide a controlled environment with staff to monitor behavior (i.e. they can stop serving or even remove patrons who are very drunk), while public spaces have no such oversight.

Public drinking can lead to greater disorder, visibility to minors, and enforcement challenges.

You are under the false assumption that will happen. Nothing is stopping anyone from going to a bar behaving respectful and drinking there fill in a bar until they are pi#'$ drunk. Then go outside and act of fool like all the Chu-hi by the conbini, Yamashita park, or hachiko folks!

You are, of course, both right that people can get drunk at a bar and leave and be drunk on the street as if they had gotten drunk on the street.

But when you go to a bar, you stay in the bar to be with other people, party, drink, sing karaoke, and listen to music. What's the point of going to a bar just to go outside and be with people who are not in a party mood like the people in the bar?

I mean, it happens, but at an insignificant level. Besides, just because that can happen doesn't make a public ban less relevant and effective.

The context of where drinking occurs matters for several reasons. Bars and other establishments serving alcohol have mechanisms in place to monitor patrons' behavior and potentially intervene before individuals become excessively drunk. Establishments also have legal responsibilities and liability for the actions of intoxicated patrons, incentivizing them to take proactive measures to manage drunk individuals.

Bars operate within a regulatory framework that sets standards for alcohol service, including training staff to recognize signs of intoxication and refusing service to intoxicated individuals.

The impact of public drunkenness may be more widespread and difficult to manage compared to incidents involving individuals who were drinking in controlled environments. Addressing public drunkenness requires a multifaceted approach that considers prevention, intervention, and community support services.

There are also minors present outside and those who are not drinking and going about their business.

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Proof that this government doesn't give a s... about the hard working people. The country in deep with inflation, prices and taxes going up left and right, Japanese currency being utter trash means prices will keep increasing and salaries still back in the 2000's. Plus 40% of the workforce in haken contracts with zero job security. And now they want to take away from us the liberty of drinking in public, so we go spend money in a bar or club? This is sad. And if this goes thru, it will spread. Citizens need to put a stop to this guy and challenge him.

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from 6 p.m. to 5 a.m.

I couldnt care less about anything involving alcohol but this is ridiculous.

1-Shibuya is one of the top recipients of foreign tourists. Imagine drinking with your friends in Shinjuku just to get stopped in the streets 1 station away? Who's explaining all this to every single tourist "getting caught" drinking in Shibuya?

2-Too early. Hard workers deserve a happy hour outdoors. If you really want to go draconian why not dot it like 12 to 5?

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As has been noted here previously. the bans on drinking alcohol in public have nothing to do with safety concerns, as the excuse was used for Halloween and New Year's Eve, and the overgeneralized emotional reach argument that what happened in the Itaewon tragedy could happen in Shibuya.

One, this is one of the reasons that the local government has used to justify the measure, so unless you can disprove them they are simply much more likely to know if safety is affected or not. You have never offered any evidence to contradict the declarations.

And two, experts have clearly and explicitly said that crowds can become a safety risk in a similar way to what happened in Itaewon, after all locations in Japan have experienced these kinds of tragedies before, so once again without evidence or a valid authority to say this would be impossible in Shibuya your claim has no weight.

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The context of where drinking occurs matters for several reasons. Bars and other establishments serving alcohol have mechanisms in place to monitor patrons' behavior and potentially intervene before individuals become excessively drunk. Establishments also have legal responsibilities and liability for the actions of intoxicated patrons, incentivizing them to take proactive measures to manage drunk individuals.

Bars operate within a regulatory framework that sets standards for alcohol service, including training staff to recognize signs of intoxication and refusing service to intoxicated individuals.

The impact of public drunkenness may be more widespread and difficult to manage compared to incidents involving individuals who were drinking in controlled environments. Addressing public drunkenness requires a multifaceted approach that considers prevention, intervention, and community support services.

There are also minors present outside and those who are not drinking and going about their business.

Thanks, ChatGTP/Shadows.

Wherever you're drinking, eventually you're out on the street. It's not a ban on public drinking. It's a ban on drinking cheaply.

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But when you go to a bar, you stay in the bar to be with other people, party, drink, sing karaoke, and listen to music. What's the point of going to a bar just to go outside and be with people who are not in a party mood like the people in the bar?

I can't quote any research, but I think it's safe to assume that nearly 100% of people who drink in bars eventually leave the bar and go outside.

My Uncle Ray was an exception to that, but I haven't seen him in years. He may still be in a bar somewhere.

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I hope they don't ban street drinking across Tokyo. I imagine Shibuya can get a bit out of hand, but I enjoyed a few street beers with colleagues after work and had fun nights with other people, Japanese and otherwise, that I met through street beers too. It'd be a shame if it were banned completely.

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Resuming all comments, basically, people that support the banning of street drinking have a mature way of thinking or at least have a well formed social habilities.

Those not supporting the ban.... little kids and people with varying levels of "conspiracy theorist-ism"

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