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Fiddlers
one more thing to help get life and business back to normal.
nakanoguy01
i wonder how they will choose which patients receive the drugs? do the elderly and those with comorbidities deserve it more than others?
snowymountainhell
And the placebo group were informed after the study and provided additional & appropriate medical treatment for their contribution to the study?
Mark
Let's hope this pandemic will be over soon and we don't have to worry about anything anymore.
snowymountainhell
Really, ‘investment’ advice from those that continually vacillate on various issues?
Mark
I am confused, It reminds me of the song "A Whiter Shade Of Pale" by P H
Stickslikeglue
Good news for the people of Japan.
Oxycodin
Golden new another reason no need to get vaccinated. A pill is all you need. Thanks Shionogi san
Blacklabel
If I actually caught COVID, certainly I would take a therapeutic such as this.
Oxycodin
I bet so I’m willing to try this pill if I ever get covid which I am likely immune to
snowymountainhell
Perhaps some self-reflection may be needed @zichi 9:44am.- How is ‘questioning consistency’ any different from what your posing with @Blacklabel here ?
Oxycodin
Vaccine you injecting weaken virus or part of its rna with other chemicals that are unknown that could cause erectile dysfunction
Blacklabel
that I actually would actually HAVE serious level Covid in this hypothetical situation to the point that I would need to do something about it.
As opposed to the reality that I dont have anything and you still demanding I put something into my body 3-4 times now.
Raw Beer
47 patients! That's it? Studies much much larger than that never seem to be enough for cheap repurposed drugs.
Both Remdesivir and Molnupiravir are dangerous and ineffective, yet rapidly approved! I would probably trust Shionogi over these two products, but I still think it's too early. If I had Covid and these were my only choices, I would rather take the IVM I purchased online...
Blacklabel
Well yeah I think a vaccine is permanent where a pill is temporary.
you can’t untake a vaccine but you can stop taking a pill.
snowymountainhell
My observations @zichi 10:08am about that user’s comments today were about that user’s comments on this proposed drug to treat symptoms, not about their stance on vaccines. Testing is not the only issue that user has vacillated on. He/She posts routinely on testing, not numerous times
Let’t let him/her/them answer for themselves on that issue. (You may be surprised.)
A reminder of the topic here: a proposed pill from a Japanese pharmaceutical company for treatment of symptoms for those who tested positive for Covid:
Ego Sum Lux Mundi
When it comes to poisons and foreign bodies of a dubious nature, ingesting them via the stomach is a little less risky than mainlining them into your bloodstream.
snowymountainhell
Correction to @10:50am:
“…*not*** numerous times every day.**”
And
“*Let’s let him…” *
- Regards
Rodney
good job to have such results for a new virus strain that only started two months ago. I hope is also works the new recent Omicron-B2, which was recognized a few weeks ago
thelonius
Shouldn't you be a little more specific? Like with an efficacy percentage? Sounds very unscientific, and not very trustworthy.
Happy Day
What happened to all the other therapeutics?
vendingmachinemusic
Oxy- I know two blokes who have ED from Covid and zero from the vaccine.
just to let you know.
virusrex
That is because the drugs you keep pushing for use failed to demonstrate a posive effect no matter at what time they are used or on how many patients, making a study larger do not mean something useless will show any evidence of effect, if anything the opposite is much more likely.
Both drugs have an advantage over the ivermectin and HCQ (the drugs you keep considering "effective" and safe) and that is showing better results than placebo (and much safer to use in some of the vulnerable population like patients with heart problems).
And there are millions and millions of people that have been shot with a gun and survived, according to you this would make gunshots safe? your argument makes no sense. Produce data that can contradict the scientific consensus that vaccines reduce the risk even for healthy young people and you would have an argument, without that data you are just promoting disinformation.
It is not the vaccine the one correlated with erectile dysfunction, on the contrary not being vaccinated is the one that is correlated with higher incidence.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34931145/
justasking
Democrats should promote this drug and let's see what the "conservatives" and "nationalists" will say.
virusrex
Sorry but you a nameless person without any argument saying the experts of the world are all wrong is not convincing at all.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-and-covid-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57840825
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-11/covid-19-risk-healthy-young-person
Now, can you prove your point by providing data that shows unvaccinated people having the same risk as vaccinated people? no? then that means you have nothing to defend your personal mistaken opinion.
And no, pretenind people to believe you that every single institution of science and medicine in the world is controlled in a world wide conspiracy is not believable either, specially because you present zero evidence of it.
Also, sorry if you fail to understand how having dozens of serious cases instead of hundreds or thousands work very nicele as a proof of the value of the vaccines, but the rest of the world see their value without problem.
virusrex
Then prove it, show that all the references provide are false, not just say it.
Data showing the vaccines being safe and effective comes from all over the world, there is no "left" in evidence, again do you have data to disprove the scientists of the world? even one institution of science or medicine that support your mistaken opinion? because if not, that means it is you alone against the world scientific and medical consensus.
Also, trying to run away from the arguments that prove you wrong and attacking the people using them is a very transparent way to avoid accepting you have no arguments on your own, it is irrelevant who says that the data disproves you, as long as you can't produce data supporting your position you are still mistaken.
Can you provide a quote were I (or anybody else) have said no children have been harmed by vaccines?
obviously not, because that is just a false argument product from your imagination, nobody has said such thing, the real argument is that vaccines reduce the risk for children, and that is also something that doctors and scientists coincide against you.
Andy
Are the side effects of this pill more severe than that of the jabs which don't prevent infection or transmission. One jab, two jabs, three jabs and pills.
Concerned Citizen
Well done Japan for approving early intervention drugs while many other nations are criminally discouraging, suppressing and criticizing such drugs. Such countries are giving patients NOTHING unless they require hospitalization. Madness. Again, well done Japan.
Temyong
We have a drug for CoVid19 so the pandemic is over. Enough with the lockdowns and protocols. People are fatigued with the CoVid19 day after day after day. Sadly, this is their endgame to establish a one world economy and govt. Good thing for the Christians, they will be raptured before the false messiah will rule the world.
vendingmachinemusic
Temyong, sorry bro wrong website. Next Joe Rogain podcast isn’t on until tomorrow.
Raw Beer
We've had good early treatments for Covid19 since mid 2020...
virusrex
The ones you keep promoting (ivermectin and HCQ) are not "good" since they only increase the risk for the patients without providing any benefit according to the best available science. Shionogi's drug may be still effective and safe depending on the results of the trials so it has a huge advantage over those that have already been examined and found inneffective.
No country is doing such a thing, what the world is doing is collaborating and examining the candidates for treatment and eliminating those that show no benefit, there is no benefit in giving to patients drugs that will not benefit them and since every drug comes with risks that means putting the patients in unnecessary danger. Giving ineffective drugs is much worse than not giving them anything instead.
vendingmachinemusic
Exponential Witness, if you invested before Covid it has gained about 700yen a share. Not bad, but I measure my gains in g wagons, not gyudons.
wasao
KetoCoffee:
Lots of routine childhood vaccinations require two, three, or even four shots. You just don't remember because you were a wee tot for most of them. Many adult vaccines have multiple doses too - like hep a and b and rabies.
Multiple doses of a vaccine is routine and common. Don't just take my word for it. Ask your GP. Or look at your own childhood vaccination record. Or look at your Japanese spouse's or friend's boshi teccho.
Whether you get vaccinated for covid-19 or not, I hope you will be safe and healthy.
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
The early approval system that allows the skipping of the final stage of clinical trials by drug companies - this information is a bit concerning.
Rushing to approve its safety before the safety trials are completed.
A certain level of safety and efficiency has been confirmed.
Do you trust the drug companies ?