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Under 20s to remain unable to smoke or drink despite legal changes to lower age of adulthood

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So it's lowering the age of adulthood to get more votes, but not trusting under 20s to smoke or drink responsibly. Not very well thought out, is it?

16 ( +19 / -3 )

So, eighteen year olds will suffer the burdens of adulthood with none of its benefits. Those old men in the Japanese Parliament are rather unpleasant.

15 ( +17 / -2 )

in my experience, the under 20's, though 'forbidden' to drink and smoke, are certainly not unable to do so… so they do …. so nothing's changed, just more 'smoke', so to speak...

12 ( +12 / -0 )

Since when did that rule stop those people from drinking? All they have to do is press the "I'm over 20" button on the LCD screen at any combini. Nobody ever asks for an ID

10 ( +11 / -1 )

And ...why is it okay for an under-20 combini employee to sell those things

9 ( +10 / -1 )

I have seen teens being carded here and why am I being asked to push the button greying hairs and all. Most people take me for being younger but a few decades?

Recall a prince down under being refused entry as he had no ID, or me being refused entry doorman paled after he saw my I'd showing 26.

No perfect system out there.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Admittedly I, being nearly three times the required age, also have to push the button at combinis. But at "Donkey Hotel" the cashier does the button pushing because there's no LCD screen. When they scan the alcohol, there's a warning beeeep, then they cancel it and keep going.

7 ( +7 / -0 )

The truth is those who want to smoke or drink will!

Kids as early as 10 smoke here in this city and I think thats congruent nationally. Those who don't don't! Also in this area my high school students say they can easily order beer or cocktails in restaurants with no problem and many shops actually encourage it as they know they are coming of age adults.

My biggest question is, will with the change the "sejinnsuki ceremony" from 20 to 18? ahhahahhahahahhhahah

6 ( +7 / -1 )

That warning beep can be embarrassing when you buy 12 cans and it beeps on everyone as the cashier can't just scan one and put 12 into the register. Old enough to vote,fight for the country, drive a car. Sadly the government feels that person choices of an adult should be made by the government, just can't trust those adults.

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Re potential alcohol/smoke addiction, 18 or 20 is anecdotal. Most teens have their first drink & smoke way earlier anyway.

If the govt really wants to tackle those issues they'd better look elsewhere (tobacco's way too cheap here for one).

Lower the age of adulthood to 18 and atop hiding behind pseudo measures.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

Got no problem with gambling staying at 20, but an adult should have the choice to smoke/drink or not.

My own country recently raised the smoking age from 16 to 18(adult).

My Irish friend told me adult age is 18 but he couldn't buy a condom till 20 legally.

Lots of European countries got age old laws on the books, laws are easily enacted but hard to get rid off.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

Good thing about Japan is its not like the U.S where they will ID every time. I know a 17 year girl who goes to the bar every other day and orders beer. So its not really meaningful in the first place. heck I was smoking a pack a day at the age of 15.

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I guess they don't want sub 20 year olds applying the "I was drunk and don't remember a thing excuse to the stupid things they do.

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the younger people start drinking, the more likely they will become addicted to alcohol, and alcohol dependence could lead to drug addiction. The group also said smoking also increases the risk of illnesses.

Do they really believe those two years will make any difference? News flash for the Japanese medical association: Most 18-20 year olds are already drinking and many are smoking. If they seriously want to stop young people drinking and smoking they need to address the ease of access and tobacco advertising targeted at young people. Any kid can buy alcohol from one of the many vending machines. Tobacco advertising makes it an attractive and cool thing for young people and they obtain them through older friends or relatives.

The only good point of this move is, those young 'chimpari' punks will be able to be tried as an adult.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Stupid stupid law. How can you be an adult and STILL be legally too young to do something? Stupid.

But lawmakers continue to be wary of allowing those under 20 to drink and smoke due to the potential health risks.

Really? Well then they should ban anyone under 20 from working in places where there is smoking, shouldn't they??

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Japanese Government: "You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master."

1 ( +1 / -0 )

When junior high and high school students go to a place like Saizeriya, very often I see them sitting on the smoking section. And not just that but sometimes they're asked smoking or not smoking.

To buy alcohol at the conbini all you need to do is touch the button on the register's touchscreen confirming you're at least 20. Not a r very efficient ID verification procedure (not that I'm complaining). There are also cigarette vending machines around so no need to check they're at least 20 for that either. So those who are younger than 20 and want to drink and smoke will do so easily.

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The only good point of this move is, those young 'chimpari' punks will be able to be tried as an adult.

totally agree.

i don't touch the combini alcohol verification button, even though i am older than 20. the reason is i have observed up to 50% of customers use the toilet and not wash their hands, then they buy tobacco of alcohol and touch the screen. don't want ecoli or influenza etc.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

More proof that what constitutes being an "adult" in Japan, and elsewhere, is arbitrary.

"You're old enough to vote and take responsibility for the future, but you can't smoke. You can go kill others, but you can't drink. As fro commiting a heinous crime... ummm... well... we might consider you a child still cause in this society we get drunk and don't remember."

4 ( +6 / -2 )

They should actually raise the legal drinking and smoking age to 21 like in the USA and parts of Canada.

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I think the voting age should be 35, the drinking age 25 and the smoking age 50.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Yer old enough to vote, but not for smokin'

Decide the country's future, but not your poison

Handful of old blokes, with no imagination

No decisions reflect the real situation

6 ( +6 / -0 )

My Irish friend told me adult age is 18 but he couldn't buy a condom till 20 legally.

Actually; it's 17 for the age of consent and afaik; condoms can be bought at 16?

3 ( +4 / -1 )

The association said in a statement, also in September that year, that the younger people start drinking, the more likely they will become addicted to alcohol, and alcohol dependence could lead to drug addiction.

If this were true Japan would be a country of drug addicts.

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They should actually raise the legal drinking and smoking age to 21 like in the USA and parts of Canada.

There is not a single province or territory in Canada that has a legal drinking/smoking age of 21. It is 18/19 and 19 is silly because you are legally an adult in Canada at 18. Much like Japan, you can vote and die for your country but you can't be trusted to drink or smoke. Insanity at best. If Japan is oh so concerned about young ones getting addicted to smoking/drinking, perhaps curb how they sell it and advertise it? Oh right, ten the government would lose money because JT would lose business.

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There is not a single province or territory in Canada that has a legal drinking/smoking age of 21. It is 18/19 and 19 is silly because you are legally an adult in Canada at 18.

Exactly. Well said marie. Also there are only 2 provinces that set it to 19 BC and Ontario. Everywhere else is 18. It is the one pet peeve about Canada I have. These 2 provinces should set it back to 18.  If you are an adult ANYWHERE, you should have the same rights as an adult. Not some. All.

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Hate to correct you Aly as I am always a fan of your posts but the majority of provinces in Canada is 19. Hence many 18 year olds trying to get to Quebec, Manitoba or Alberta for holidays!

http://www.ccdus.ca/Eng/topics/alcohol/Pages/Legal-Drinking-Age-for-Alcohol-in-Canada.aspx

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If this were true Japan would be a country of drug addicts.

Yup. Europeans have a sensible way with alcohol; wine is often enjoyed at family dinners and the teens appear to grow up with a respect for the drink.

In other countries like the UK and the Republic of Ireland; sadly that's not always the case.

Everything in moderation, hai?

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Agree with Toasted as a central European we get slowly used to alcohol. Many northern countries are stricter and alcohol is way

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Sorry, tablet acting up.

Way more expensive and many of those tourists can go a wee bit overboard on holidays (Greece, etc).

3 ( +3 / -0 )

isn't it 16 in Germany?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Yup. Europeans have a sensible way with alcohol; wine is often enjoyed at family dinners and the teens appear to grow up with a respect for the drink.

Similar situation in my family, and those of friends. In more enlightened times, when I was a child, it wasn't unusual at parties and Christmas for kids to be given a taste of the grown up's alcohol - take a sip of Dad's beer, Auntie's rum and pep etc. We never liked the taste and it put us right off experimenting with alcohol until we were much older. We did like a Snowball at Christmas though, probably due to it not tasting like alcohol. If anyone did this with their kids now neighbours would be right on to social services, even though it isn't illegal in the UK.

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Hate to correct you Aly as I am always a fan of your posts but the majority of provinces in Canada is 19. Hence many 18 year olds trying to get to Quebec, Manitoba or Alberta for holidays!

Thanks Marie!  I stand corrected, and if it has to be someone, glad it was you!

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Fully agree not just about the permissible age but how things are taught and how teens are prepared.

Recall a few countries where changing of adulthood went wrong.

In my country certain things are allowed prior to becoming an adult yep some probs but way fewer than countries where becoming an adult is seen as a cart blanche for anything.

Hate to say but Japan might be heading that way, considering I got a son turning 17 on Sunday.

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There was no reason for Japan to lower the age from 20. If anything it should have been raised to 25 as that's past the point when the brain ends its development. Past somewhere between 22 and 23 and you are a biological adult. Mary Jane and other drugs like alcohol have reduced effects that cause mental problems. Impulsivity is reduced too. It's ridiculous that society has created some random arbitrary age when the biological science is measurable. Chronological age is not a biological marker so a threshold of 25 would be a like a debounce limit that would protect youth from harm.

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sf2k

Of course they have to lower the age from 20... how else are they going to be exactly the same as America?

It's like putting hands on hearts for the national anthem... Americans do it, so Japan copied about ten years ago.

Next comes knocking a couple of zeros off the yen to make it more like the dollar. (Yes, it's been suggested).

Finally the adoption of English (well, American) as the national language, a quick change of flag, and the Asia-denying morons will all be happy little Westerners....

0 ( +1 / -1 )

If you think 2 extra years is going to make the difference between addiction and not, you are sadly mistaken.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

I would say all about upbringing etc.

I volunteered 1yr early for our compulsory Military service a歌詞

Now if you load your rifle right

And if you fix your bayonet so

And if you kill that man my friend

The one we call the foe

And if you do it

1 ( +1 / -0 )

I volunteered early (17) as I finished my IT training early, service is compulsory at age 18.

But as I say upbringing matters a lot even at age 18 many are not ready.

But service and a bi-annual week long refresher plus being a reservist does it fast.

All for conscription as it will turn them into adults, front line service or not. Did serve on fronts as do sons of friends right now.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

I was kinda hoping they'd raise the smoking age to something civil - like post retirement.

You know, to free up most workplaces and public environs .

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Yeah RIGHT! LOL.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

What no drink whilst at University ? Ah that's why things are so dull on campus here....

0 ( +0 / -0 )

The priority obsession of billions of people with booze and fags continues.........

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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