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By Elaine Kurtenbach TOKYO©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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A.N. Other
Incredible. Just how much more unprepared could this woman have been?
albaleo
That and a burning desire to come and give JT readers a kick in the nuts.
Guy Jincarde
Maybe she did it to save her own life too?
WA4TKG
Lol.
A.N. Other
So which is it? I sense some backside covering going on here. Farcical.
toshiko
She spent several days after her departure relatively close to shore as she waited for her sea sickness to subside, but then made progress and was able to get into the Kuroshio current that crosses the Pacific west to east as planned.
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At least she tried. Sea sickness (funayoi) indicates she hardly had experience in riding any boat or ships. Which state she grew?
YongYang
@Toshi, I think she's from Idaho.
Maria
I hope this wasn't a crowdfunded project.
clueless
I have zero experience on the sea but would be willing to bet I'd have done better than this dope and her marx brothers team. All the excuses but in the end methinks it all comes down to a lack of bottle. (courage)
kansaifun
"Common sense" seems to be missing from this story's headline. And this woman's vocabulary...
Wakarimasen
I like that she got seasick.
karlrb
I have to 2nd A.N. Other and say this lady was not at all ready for such a major adventure. My gut reaction to this has been something like 'You've got to be kidding.'
HongoTAFEinmate
Hate to be cruel, but her "excellent adventure" is hardly the stuff of legend. A week? Big difference between the voyage of Sonya Baumstein and her high -tech gadgetry and the voyage of Shackleton in the James Caird. Bad Weather? What was she expecting? Just more proof that they don't make 'em like they used to.
Richard Wood
By looking at her pictures, she didn't even appear to be in a physical shape required to row across the Pacific. And called it off because of being "seasick"? Didn't it occur to her if she is prone to seasickness that perhaps rowing across the Pacific would not be a great idea??? Also, did she take the time to acclimatize her body to the motion of the ocean??? It sounds like someone trying to get her 10 secs of fame.... a NON story!
Harry_Gatto
I think the 6 "P"s were not observed here: Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Poor Performance.
descendent
Richard Wood: talk about not reading the article... she stayed close to shore to acclimatize herself to the motion of the ocean, and she did not call it off due to seasickness.
I think we have 17 comments and 17 smug haters, but recall that this woman already rowed the Atlantic Ocean.
Mizuame
And the insurance company will charge other people higher premiums as a result.
Jeff Ogrisseg
Last time I was in a "rowboat," the "steering system" consisted of my upper body and two oars.
HongoTAFEinmate
Isn't that 7 Ps? There's one missing between "prevents" and "poor". It rhymes with "kiss".
A.N. Other
CORRECTION: Rowed in the Atlantic Ocean.
toshiko
@YongYangJUN. 16, 2015 - 08:23AM JST @Toshi, I think she's from Idaho.
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Thank you for info. She is not used on sea or ocean waves.
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Arimura
at least she's not stupid.
with 3 other men.
sidesmile
"We've only got one floating anchor thingy and we need two to stop you being flipped..or something..oh n the steering is broken, you're almost out of reach of the coast guard, we certainly can't help you, and the weather looks pretty darn bad. To top it off, we have a bad feeling about everything." You think?
gogogo
Why does a "row boat" have a steering system?
toolonggone
A.N.Other: Incredible. Just how much more unprepared could this woman have been?
If you have the answer as to how she could have better prepared, please enlighten us.
Richard Wood: By looking at her pictures, she didn't even appear to be in a physical shape required to row across the Pacific.
Incorrect. She put on the weight in anticipation of the amount of calories she'd end up burning.
And called it off because of being "seasick"? Didn't it occur to her if she is prone to seasickness that perhaps rowing across the Pacific would not be a great idea??? Also, did she take the time to acclimatize her body to the motion of the ocean???
Incorrect. No where does it say that the trip was called off due to her being seasick. Staying close to the shore for the first few days was for the purpose of reacclimatizing her body to the sea.
YongYang: Toshiko, I think she's from Idaho.
Incorrect.
Toshiko: Thank you for info. She is not used on sea or ocean waves.
Incorrect. See above and below.
clueless: All the excuses but in the end methinks it all comes down to a lack of bottle. (courage)
Incorrect. She's got plenty of courage and far more physical power and stamina than most, as well.
kaisaifun: "Common sense" seems to be missing from this story's headline. And this woman's vocabulary...
Why's that, because she was willing to try something that would give most here nightmares? Because she was willing to attempt something knowing that failure was a possibility? So she failed? She had a dream and she attempted to achieve it. Most don't ever get past the dreaming.
Harry_Gatto
Proper preparation would have prevented this from happening.
Frederic Bastiat
Lots of crass, uninformed comments above by petty haters.
Just to fill in some blanks and inaccuracies: She was born and raised in Orlando Florida. And here's a list of her previous experiences:
Previous Expeditions Dec 2011 - Jan 2012 (57 days): Rowed the Atlantic Ocean, Canaries to Barbados
Mar 15 2012 - May 20 2012: Tour biked, fully loaded, from Mexican Border to Seattle
June 2012 - August 2012: Sea kayaked from Seattle (Ballard) to Juneau, Alaska
June 15 - August 8 2013: Western Alaska kayak/SUP expedition (August 1 2013: Became the first person to SUP the Bering Strait from Big Diomede to Alaskan mainland, just north of Wales, AK)
That's not a pittance of water experience.
I applaud her effort as well as her decision to abandon the current attempt.
Nessie
She had Publicity covered though.
A.N. Other
Yes I do, toolongone (nice monker, by the way).
1) Sea trials. Put to sea for weeks at a time, but within coastal waters to assess the seaworthiness of her boat and to acclimatise her body.
2) Endurance runs like rowing around the main Japanese isles to test her strength and stamina.
3) Planning contingencies (other than quitting) for when things inevitably go wrong (and they will, despite the best made plans).
4) Not shooting her mouth off before her attempt.
nath
Have you ever done a sea crossing? She has, and this is her comments on the matter: "“The reality is you can’t train for an ocean row,” Sonya says. “You can do your best, but the only way to prepare for an ocean row is to get in a boat and start rowing."
I'll take her word over some hack on the internet.
See above comment.
Please show some evidence that they didn't have contingency plans. Because it seems to me they did - if things looked bad before they got out of the range of the Japanese coast guard, they would call it quits then.
By saying she was going to do it? When has anyone ever not done that before doing something of a major caliber?
Haters gon' hate. You just proved it.
nath
I did a speed walk of 18 kilometers yesterday. A bit warm, but I endured. Great for my tummy and legs. From the looks of it, this woman is more of an athlete than most. I never saw any pictures of her glued to her phone, nor read any comments by her claiming to be judge and jury from her sofa. She is an athlete. Leave her be.
A.N. Other
I can't believe you have just cited a failure as an authority on ocean crossing.
The fact that she had to be rescued isn't enough for you?
Dear me.
nath
She didn't fail on her other expeditions did she. I'm guessing you must be one of those people who expects Japanese people to speak perfect English before they open their mouths. How's your Japanese by the way? Have you ever gotten past your fear of failure to be able to actually try to use it?
And again, I ask you to tell us your qualifications. She's done major expeditions in the past. And you?
I'd call it irresponsible if she didn't have a contingency plan that required rescuing. Would you rather she died?
choiwaruoyaji
But she tried, didn't she? Goddamnit, at least she did that.
toolonggone
a.n.other: I can't believe you have just cited a failure as an authority on ocean crossing.
You must be one accomplished person to be slinging about the word "failure" so easily.
The fact that she had to be rescued isn't enough for you?
Yes, she failed in this attempt. That does not mean she wasn't prepared. Accepting that failure is a possibility is part of a successful plan. She may have failed in this attempt but I'd hardly call her "a failure" and shame on you for doing so. The hateful anonymity of the internet strikes again, doesn't it?
Dear me.
Indeed.
tokyoclambake
As someone who sailed 3-4 times per week and who worked on a car and passenger ferry growing up, I can say that many of the people I worked with got seasick every season after the winter layoff; the only way to guarantee to be ready and rid of it, is to be on the ocean. British sailor Pete Goss, a former Royal Marine and sailor who sailed solo around the world, speaks of crippling seasickness in the first week out of port.
nath
Did you read the reply to that comment: <www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/u-s-woman-attempting-to-row-across-pacific-rescued#comment_1997654>
She's someone who has already succeeded in other similarly difficult feats. And the fact that she did try, means that she does have the physique of someone that would try such an extremely difficult feat, which proves your theory wrong.
And once again we have someone ruining the haters' arguments with facts and logic. Shame on you.
Heda_Madness
There were four possible outcomes
1) reach the target
2) fail and turn around.
3) fail and be rescued
4) fail and die
Now one didn't happen and two wasn't possible. 4 didn't happen because they had the sense to call for 3. Not sure why people see that as a bad thing. Pretty much every attempt at something like this that fails ends in rescue or death. I remember Richard Branson being rescued trying to break a world record. Wonder if the same people were determined to hate then.
And yes she was part of a team that rowed the Atlantic yet instead of proving her credentials it seems that some disagree. What do you think she was doing on that trip? Making tea? Cooking toasted sandwiches?
More people die on the way down on Everest than going up because they don't have the strength of mind to turn round.
She'll be back again and I wish her the best of luck. People like her are,IMO crazy, but that's because they take on things that are way out of my comfort zone.
A.N. Other
She lost a drogue. Her "steering" packed up. The weather forecast was bad (LOL).
One is chance, two is coincidence, three is a pattern. Do the math.
I sense mental gymnastics going on here.
nath
But, but, then that means, he's a failure. A failure. Why would anyone ever listen to anything he says again? He failed, and that means he's a FAILURE.
Yeah, because when someone properly prepares, more than two things never go wrong. Ever. When it does, it means that proper preparation wasn't done, and the person is a failure. You read that right, a FAILURE.
No, you are seeing one of the habits of highly successful people. It's why no one of any salt ever would invest in a business plan that doesn't have an exit strategy built into it. Pretty much everyone who has ever succeeded has had a plan for if/when things go wrong. It's those who don't have a plan that truly fail.
noypikantoku
At least she tried! how many scientists, artists, who failed hilariously like her and were criticized negatively by "normal people"? airplanes? automobiles?these inventions and ideas also failed at the beginning?
I think the people who comment and just living a normal life (9-17:00 jobs) don't have the right to judge her. If you've done the same thing, then you have the right to judge her, but for people who just assume??? come on! go back to you deskjobs!
nath
You've obviously missed the lesson here noypikantoku. The lesson is that if there is not a 100% guaranteed chance you will succeed, you should never try, ever. Because if you try, and don't succeed, you are a failure. A FAILURE.
tokyoclambake
Strangerland; Hear, hear! To other posters; the 2012 Vendee Globe around the world race saw 20 of the the best-funded, most-experienced sailors in the world start in million-dollar boats. Nine didn't finish, with four out in the first five days.
The 2008 race saw 30 starters; 19 didn't finish, with four out within the first six days.
This woman having to turn back has nothing to do with her being ill-prepared; the ocean and the weather will decide regardless of preparation.
nath
That's nine FAILURES.
And 19 more FAILURES.
Why did these people even try, knowing that there was a chance they would fail? Mind-boggling.
A.N. Other
NURSE!
tokyoclambake
Strangerland; Absolutely right! Shouldn't try with no guarantee of success; it's amazing so many people try anything at all ... silly people!
nath
Yes, anyone who would ever attempt anything at which they may possibly fail needs a nurse. If there's one thing I've learned on JT, and regarding this lady in particular, it's that.
Frederic Bastiat
Haters gotta hate cuz they can't do anything themselves. Sonya Baumstein has more guts and gumption in her left pinkie toe than the wonks criticizing her attempt here.
smithinjapan
Strangerland: "And the fact that she did try, means that she does have the physique of someone that would try such an extremely difficult feat, which proves your theory wrong."
Ummm... Sorry, but saying someone tried, and admitting they failed, is not at ALL proof that they have the proper physique. The fact that she failed is a much more valid proof that she did not than, "Well, she tried -- so that's proof that she could have if... she didn't fail... which she... ummm... did".
Even if she had the right physique for it -- and stop saying she 'did because she tried', and don't use other accomplishments as proof when this 'first attempt to do something' failed (because as such there cannot be an equal task she has accomplished, or any other woman for that matter) -- she obviously was NOT prepared if so many things went wrong with the 'rowboat' and its various systems. How prepared were they if so many things went wrong? And again, before you answer, don't forget that she failed. What were all these other contingencies you guys say she had prepared, while we're at it?
She was ill-prepared. Bottom line. Sounds like it was just a matter of, "Hey, I want to try this and set records!" without the ability to do it. Need proof? she couldn't.
noypikantoku
tokyoclambake
You don't call it a challenge when there is a guarantee of success! Humans don't have wings, 200 years ago there was no guarantee that humans can fly.....thank god Wright Brothers didn't think the way you did. ;-)
tokyoclambake
noypikantoku: I wasn't serious; I was playing off of strangerland's posts. If you look at my earlier posts (1:42 and 3:22), I'm one of the few supporting her and expressing understanding for both seasickness and the fact that the ocean and the weather decide who makes it, regardless of preparation.
nath
I didn't claim she had the proper physique. Let's re-read:
Original comment: "Yesterday I said that in her photograph she did not have the muscle tone or physical shape of someone that would try such an extremely difficult feat"
And my reply: "fact that she did try, means that she does have the physique of someone that would try such an extremely difficult feat"
The original comment was that someone with her physique wouldn't even try. She did try. Therefore the claim that someone with her physique was incorrect, as someone with her physique (her) did try.
That's so incorrect. Things don't always go as planned. That doesn't mean that she wasn't prepared.
But hey, I get what you are saying. She's a FAILURE. She tried, when there wasn't a 100% absolute guaranteed chance of success. How stupid is that. Absolutely ridiculous. She's a FAILURE and she should have never tried, because now she FAILED and that makes her a FAILURE.
kitzrow
Big boats have trouble crossing an ocean, why would anyone ever try to do it in a row boat. The fact the person failed makes total sense .... as for challenges go .. an A for effort .. as for practicality ... an F in my eyes ....
nath
Same reason people climb mountains.
Yes, we've already established she's a FAILURE and never should have even tried since there was a chance of FAILURE.
toshiko
But nice she had insurance to cover rescue cost to pay. Maybe she might succeed if she tried on Atlantic Ocean? At least she got on news in Japan. No her news in USA channels. Hope she gets commercial contracts by boat makers Ocean re;ated news are just Shark bit children in NC shore. .
nath
Another FAILURE.
Arimura
she wasn't totally stupid. A for effort.
toolonggone
toshiko: Maybe she might succeed if she tried on Atlantic Ocean?
Been there. Done that.
At least she got on news in Japan. No her news in USA channels.
Really, I'm here on holiday and have seen news about her twice so far, and I don't even watch much telly when I'm on holiday. Additionally, a quick Google of Sarah Baumstein Pacific will get you about 20,100 results (0.59 seconds)
Fadamor
So flying out to rescue someone doesn't put the rescuers' lives at risk until the rescuee is out of flight range? That's an interesting, if uneducated, view.
noypikantoku
tokyoclambake
sumimasen deshita.... m( )m
Bill Adams
At least this ridiculous woman has given us all a good laugh.