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Sydney-bound JAL flight turns back after seat fire

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just reading the headline i knew it was either alcohol or tobacco.

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It'll become an expensive flight or somebody...

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I thought they had too much fuel on those long flights to land right away, good to know they actually can.

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The probably dumped the fuel, shempa. It must have happened on purpose; seats are made from flame-retardant materials, and it takes a bit of effort to get one going.

My first thought was a malfunctioning entertainment system on the seatback.

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I also hear JAL will be stopping its Sydney route soon due to cut backs, can anyone confirm if this is true?

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Those seats can't catch fire unless they are drenched in fuel (then the fuel will burn, not the seat itself). So it is either deliberate, or it is something else (seat entertainment?)

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Some creep decided jumping in front of a train wasn't good enough and wanted to take 259 others with him to the netherworld.

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I always thought that international flights have banned carrying lighters on board, and even have posters specially the check-in counters and the one right after that.

I personally am a smoker, but I do leave my lighters at home before flights and just use the electric lighters provided for in the smoking rooms.

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And here I thought airplane seats are made of non-burnable material. Appears not, sigh...

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Only in Japan can you carry a lighter onto a flight. When will they get a clue, after it is too late?

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Incorrect Charles. It is only on flights to/from the USA that you cannot carry a lighter.. Everywhere else is pretty much the same, one lighter on your person or in hand luggage. Seats are fire-resistant by law. Not 'non-burnable'.

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@anglootaku: JAL are not quitting the Sydney route, its one of the few profitable routes as Qantas and themselves have an (overpriced) duodopoly on the route. If they give it up, ANA will swoop in and snatch it up. Shame, as they are a much better airline.

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This is not the first time this has happened in recent years. Someone with a grudge against the airline is my first guess. Possibly even blackmail threats could have been made beforehand, but we will probably never know the inside story.

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theResident is correct. One lighter is allowed except on Japan-US routes.

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Interesting that a few years back, a similar accident happened, also on a JAL flight. Ok, disregard that. "A fire broke out" should probably be read as that something smoldered, but serious nonetheless. Seats are fire retardant, not fire proof, but to get a seat lit would require some effort, unless the seats were not up to standard. Could have been the barf bag or something similar. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I have flown a couple of times and everytime I am assigned a certain seat number. Just round up everybody in, next to and behind this seat and check 'm out. Maybe there was a lighter salesman in that seat, or a lighter collector, or perhaps even a smoker, who knows. Idiots like this should be banned from ever boarding a plane again.

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ElvanSilvan: "I always thought that international flights have banned carrying lighters on board, and even have posters specially the check-in counters and the one right after that."

They used to, and maybe still do, collect all lighters when you go through security (as well as liquids and what not), but I believe you can still buy them AFTER at duty free shops (hence all the people smoking in the smoking rooms). That was one of the chief complaints a lot of people had when they banned all liquids on flights after the shoe-bomber's attempt; that the things you can get to make a bomb are STILL available at the airport before flight, you just have to buy them again.

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I always thought that international flights have banned carrying lighters on board, and even have posters specially the check-in counters and the one right after that.

That is my understanding as well. And I believe in the US you are not allowed on domestic flights or International flights. I don't want a whack job on my flight that decides to take his life and hundreds more by lighting burnable items on the airplanes.

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Only in Japan can you carry a lighter onto a flight. When will they get a clue, after it is too late?

It wasn't that long ago when all flights had smoking and non smoking sections. How paranoid have we become?

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No smoking on US flights, but other countries are free to make their own laws regarding smoking and flying. The seats ARE flame retardant, so whomever was the Einstein that did this, it was likely deliberate.

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Great security! All travelers need to remember this incident and the "underwear and shoe bombers" when making reservation. Six time out of Osaka and every time full body and package inspection for an ALT. The final exit inspection was no air in the bicycle tires. In the the USA a 50 Kilo, 80 year olds is inspected as a possible underwear bomber.

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@smithinjapan and Charles

Thanks for the clarifications.

I guess JAL would now be investigating the causes of the fire itself, as well as the ones who are supposed to be seated where. Thing is, specially in economy class, passengers could occupy any other vacant seat.

I know, because I have done this several times ... specially when a cute girl is sitting over there alone.

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The seats ARE flame retardant, so whomever was the Einstein that did this, it was likely deliberate.

ARE=SHOULD BE

Don't forget the sandal last year where Koito had falsified test data for fire retardation and damage standards. Koito would have to sink to pretty low standards to produce flammable fabrics, etc, and I'm not even sure JAL use Koito seats, but it is a possibility.

Although it sounds deliberate, I'm with many here who think it could be IFE equipment related.

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sandal=scandal btw

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i thought JAL flights were non smoking? (pun intended) but seriously how could this happen, used a lighter to find his cover?

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I was told the passenger whose seat the lighter was found under denied any knowledge of it. Someone made some effort to get this mini fire started. Probably used some accelerant.

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Security should have caught this at the checkpoint.Obviously it was an accident but you can imagine if some devious mind would have set a fire in a lavatory? Modern aircraft interior materials, wiring, all the plastic polymers , although supposedly "fire retardant" go up like kindling in a fireplace, it burns down quick!! Swiss Air 111 went down due to a fire very quickly. They're lucky to put the fire out and make it back safely. Good job by the crew reacting qucikly and safely.

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How the hell did they get this crap on da plane???

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You can carry on one regular lighter or one book of safety matches on a flight. This is also the rule in the U.S. What you cannot do is carry it in your checked baggage. Security let the lighter through because it is not a prohibited item.

Now, was the lighter broken/cracked? The fuel in the lighter could have helped start a fire.

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Seriously Elbuda - Do you just type into thin air. No Law against taking a lighter on a plane Tokyo to Sydney...have you read any of the other posts?

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@Theresident there is confirmation that they will be stopping Sydney route and ANA will be taking its place as ANA has not been in Australia for some time now.

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There is confirmation. Great - can you post the link please?

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