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TEPCO struggling with water treatment system at plant

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Plan B: Store the water in school swimming pools. Now that the children have dosimeters, that should be fine, right? After all, they won't be swimming 24/7. (He said, in the Japanese dialect known as bureaucratese.)

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cactusJack: "TEPCO struggling with __. Just fill in the blank to have a new headline every day."

Or every few hours.

Seriously, though, the critical error of a filter predicted to last several weeks only lasting for five hours shows just how out of touch with reality and how careless TEPCO is. If they say they are concerned, you KNOW the problem is about 100 times worse than they're letting on. In a few months we'll hear about how the water had already leaked out into the ground and ocean and how TEPCO knew but didn't want to 'confuse' people, and/or how the government asked them not to release the info (again, so as not to confuse people).

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Tepco need to be removed and the Japanese government should accept all the help it has been offered from abroad. Tepco are clearly not up to the job, and it is risking far too much to continue to let them mess up, hide and fail to solve this.

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I agree about Tepco. Their president just stepped down into untouchability, and they have 2 trillion yen of outstanding debts,notwithstanding the huge compensation payments they face. The govt. has admitted now that there is a nuclear lava pool that has burned through it's container and is sitting on concrete and leaking into groundwater.Tepco assures us that this groundwater only moves 5cm a day (even during rainy season) and that it will take a year to reach the ocean.They will not try to block it from underneath because the cost will hurt their stock price.Either way the filtration system isn't working, and in actual fact has only shown a reduction in the density of Cesium-13 and Cesium-137 dropped to only one-100th of initial levels.(From NHK) Either way, I think we should all be resigned to the fact that owing to the arrival of heavy rains in Tohoku, the contaminated water trenches etc will overflow very shortly and it is unlikely to be a trickle. Headless chooks at the moment.

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Tepco have their priorities so wrong, they took way to long to setup this machine and put all their eggs in one basket with it.

There is no hope for this water, it will be dumped into the environment or the ocean, please Japan ask for help, your ego is too big

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Okay.

You need a large ship, or ships, that nobody loves. You need portable water storage tanks (many large ones). Here is one place to buy them. There are others:

http://www.erosionpollution.com/large-temporary-tanks-to-drain-and-clean-100000-gal-water.html

You need a pump. You need a lot of hose suitable for pumping warm or hot water.

Put the empty water storage tanks on the boat or Mega Float, and get the boat as close as possible to the existing overflowing tank. Using the pump, move the water to one of the tanks on the boat. Repeat until the overflowing tank has been emptied, and all the portable storage tanks are full. Take the boat someplace where there are no people or typhoons or earthquakes. When you figure out how to decontaminate the water, bring the boat back. If you don't figure it out soon, get another boat and some more tanks. Repeat as necessary. Maybe you'll want to entomb those tanks in concrete if you can't figure anything out.

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TEPCO hopes to bring the reactors to a stable cold shutdown state by early January, _ a goal some experts have questioned as too ambitious.

By early January of what year? 2012? 2015? 2050?

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TEPCO are totally useless. They are the bungling every aspect of this disaster since the moment the tsunami hit yet the Japanese government are continuing to allow this to happen. Time that the government get off their collective useless asses and start to take control of this situation.

How can they get their predictions so wrong afterall there is a big difference between several weeks and 5 hours.

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TEPCO struggling with __. Just fill in the blank to have a new headline every day.

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It could overflow within 10 days if action is not taken

This is what they said 7 days ago.

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Did the filter 'fill up' as it didn't absorb as much as they thought it would, or that there were far more particles than expected?

As to why the evil clowns at TEPCO are still 'running' this thing, I have to think that this is actually the JP govt. trying to show people they (TEPCO) are being forced to fix their mess and take some responsibility, given just days after the quake, their CEO said he wanted the SDF and US forces to handle it and Kan was heard loudly berating him at length (this episoide was recounted by several journalists outside the room).

Either way, I hope this begins to move forwards soon; having been on a cleanup team in the tsunami areas, these people need to get back to whatever life they can as soon as possible, and this constant radiation issue is of course slowing that, and piling on the fear.

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Tepco need to be removed and the Japanese government should accept all the help it has been offered from abroad. Tepco are clearly not up to the job, and it is risking far too much to continue to let them mess up, hide and fail to solve this.

Well the water treatment system was built with components from several foreign companies (as noted above), and the involvement of experts from abroad who have extensive real-life experience in doing this kind of thing--so it's not as though TEPCO is bumbling along on its own with no guidance or technical help from the outside... and I don't see what having the government take over the effort would accomplish; certainly the bureaucrats and politicians and their multitude of committees have no more experience or first-hand expertise than anyone else already involved.

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One thing is sure...if you stay in Japan and you don't have to, you're crazy. Even those with careers and families here really need to consider getting out. This situation is definitely not going to blow over and even if eventually (and it seems like that is a big "if" right now) the reactors are brought under control, radiation levels are going to be much higher than usual for a long time...even as far away as Tokyo. Plus the danger of radioactive crops will apply wherever you are living in Japan at a supermarket near you.

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Farmboy,

That seems way to logical, or difficult for TEPCO to manage. The other (TEPCO) way would be, send expendable worker to area holding water have him / her open valve and release water to ocean. If discover blame worker, and say sorry many times. Repeat as required....

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One thing is sure...if you stay in Japan and you don't have to, you're crazy. Even those with careers and families here really need to consider getting out.

Thank you for calling some of us crazy and being concerned for our well being but I think I'll make those decisions on my own (like certifying myself crazy and considering the need to leave.) I've stated before I have various contingency plans in place depending upon the analysis of various sources of information.

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a valve today was manually left open, due to a mistake with the label. Why are these potato heads still there? Why is this reported in such a matter of fact way day after day...no anger no outrage?

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How do you bring a reactor that has melted through into a cold shutdown. Really how.

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Since it will eventually over flow, just dump it into the ocean now. That way the whole world will get involved and send over more help to stop the mess. Green Tea anyone?

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Is there just 1 filter or are there several filters that reduce the amount of sludge as they filter? Major mistake 7 weeks and Just 5hrs. Where are the spares? Where was the planning? Again a potential disaster due fully to TEPCOS Homer Simpson attitude to the situation.

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Dump it and do a scientific study on the impact to whales.

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Looks like a mass water dump into the ocean is coming soon... Again. Since it has taken this long, any efforts to go underground now would be both extremely costly and time consuming. Concreting the reactor at this point would still be a nuclear pipe bomb. I'm starting to lose any sense of hope that they'll finally find a solution to all this... So sad. Anyone got any ideas?

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I'm with smith japan, If it has not already happened it will soon and much latter will the full extent be hinted at. Of course sadly by then I fear there will be another unfolding disaster. Love to see some investigative reporting rather than the repeating press releases.

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Another misleading article. The "water treatment system" they are talking about is not a factory standard installation, it is something they are setting up on site, and they dealing with problems as they arise. And of course there are problems, and they are addressed. This ignorant activist journalism is really getting annoying.

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WilliB,

You are so right when you say "This ignorant activist journolism is really getting annoying". It is sooooo hard to ignore and pretend all is rosy with Fukushima with all this bad news day in day out. ;-)

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WilliB,

Never said you did.... Try reading the post again.

You are having a go at people for reporting what is happening by calling them ignorant activist journalism. What is ignorant about the article, and where is the activist part? You are obviously struggling with reality and that is TEPCO are useless!

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Ignorant- Ok...because we are told what is happening in a vague drip feed manner. This leads to speculation that can cover a broad field of possibility. As often as not at least some posters have been proven correct, not always but more often then the media report. Not sure about activist journalism, an opinion is just that. The article states that again TEPCOS plan failed (again) people do not trust them and we are all worried about what is actually happening, how safe are we?

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It seems they have identified the problem and are working to rectify it.I only had to skim through the article in Japanese but if I am not mistaken, it was a valve and either the valve or a part in the valve was put on back-to-front.

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A valve on backwards, mother of pearl, road workers have 3/4 people checking everything? it's just not funny. The list of human mistakes and system failures - how on earth have they managed to last this long?

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If you have ever watch a Japanese tradesperson perform their job you would know they are dithering idiots with absolutely no idea what they are doing. Therefor, this report should not be a surprise to anyone.

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True, and these are probably not trades people.

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Actually not all that far from the truth. Saw an interview with a Tepco worker today ( identity concealed) and he said a lot of people working at the site are not Tepco staff but day labourers. Because the radiation is so high and the workforce has to be rotated so often, they are running short of staff. Because of this there are lots of untrained staff and these are the guys taking their protective gear off to smoke and wipe away sweat. A very scary thought on one hand but these guys are also doing a job nobody else wants to do and I applaud their courage for that.

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Spidapig24,

Yes, and then they could issue a statement saying that while it is regrettable, there is no immediate danger to health, and that those three-headed children being born are special in their own way.

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3 for 1, An apology is 3 times more sincere

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Farmboy, love it. As long as they bow when they apologise

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@Honne,

"various contingency plans in place depending upon the analysis of various sources of information."

This is a good approach/idea!

I'd like to expnand upon that if I may...

One contingency plan would be to have at least 3 if possible open-ended plane tickets paid for in advance to alternative safer (Internal/External Japan) locations.

Two have essential gear packed.

tbc.....

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TEPCO have blamed Everyone else for the problems, how about looking at the work force I am sorry to say, they are in danger and trying but day workers who are so desperate for Sake money that this is their best option. Is it any wonder mistake after mistake.

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The valve was labelled SHUT and that seemed correct, so they left it in that position but in fact it was OPEN internally and allowing highly contaminated water to bypass half the filtration system. The lever may have been bolted on backwards.

They believe it has been in the wrong position since they first built this emergency system for dealing with the basement water, and that is the reason that they have been getting such strange results..

Let us hope that they have now ironed out the glitches (favorite nuke word) and it's full steam ahead! Get that water flowing! YAY!

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Utrack:

" How do you bring a reactor that has melted through into a cold shutdown. Really how. "

Err... by cooling it? That`s what they did in 3 mile island too, and the world did not end last time I looked.

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Farmboy:

" When you figure out how to decontaminate the water, bring the boat back "

What you mean "when you figure out"? They are decontaminating the water now, that is what all these filtration systems are about.

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So is it safe to try to live in Shinjuku? Cesium-13 and Cesium-137, are very dangerous...... How should food and water should be screened? Is bath/tap water safe in Shinjuku? Should I wear a cough mask when out side? Should I buy a radiation, and earthquake detectors? Is 2012 going to be more cataclysmic......

@Tamesu San - I'd be mighty careful about seeking advice like this on a comments board, though I think everyone would agree that wearing a cough mask is pointless if you're trying to filter out radiation, as is boiling tap water. Do what makes you feel safe. If you're really worried I would say don't come to Shinjuku.

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What you mean "when you figure out"? They are decontaminating the water now, that is what all these filtration systems are about.

Which article are you commenting on? This one is about how the filtration system isn't working.

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Seriously, though, the critical error of a filter predicted to last several weeks only lasting for five hours shows just how out of touch with reality and how careless TEPCO is

It's not TEPCO's technology so it's possible that they were going on what information was provided to them. Unfortunately, it seems nobody thought to question whether or not the details were accurate.

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Or the filters are for WATER and not sludge, the previous article mentioned a rise in radiation as the sludge built up. I do not know it is a guess but something went pear shaped pretty fast. I have no doubt that any Gaijin involved are well out of any decision loop.

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So is it safe to try to live in Shinjuku? Cesium-13 and Cesium-137, are very dangerous...... How should food and water should be screened? Is bath/tap water safe in Shinjuku? Should I wear a cough mask when out side? Should I buy a radiation, and earthquake detectors? Is 2012 going to be more cataclysmic......

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spidapig:

I did not say "all is rosy".

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NHK is reporting that they didn't have a valve set properly. Let's go through this again, mates. This is open. this is closed. Open. Closed. Open. Closed. Questions?

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From Xday this had to be approached as a worst case scenario. Appallingly lack of EVERYTHING. It should of been buried, localized and then sorted out from that point onwards. Still it is a VERY serious situation. A catastrophe still unfolding. Core one. for me, is on the floor, the concrete mat and is eating it away... It’s worse than it ever was.

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There is no hope for this water, it will be dumped into the environment or the ocean, please Japan ask for help, your ego is too big

They did. The water treatment system they installed were made by a French company called Avron and a U.S. company called Kurion.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/science/news/20110622-OYT1T00967.htm?from=navr

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