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© 2020 AFPJapanese hospitals find way to beat sanitizer shortage
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oldman_13
Brilliant idea.
Cricky
So it's under control, but we need Alcholholic hand wash while wearing a rain coat? Doesn't sound promising. If it does get worse it's obvious the wobble wheels we have now are going to fly off.
Toshihiro
I've read that an apartment complex in Singapore made their own hand sanitizer from high-proof booze, essential oils and aloe vera gel. Just remember that it won't necessarily kill viruses since you need an alcohol content that's 70% or higher. A better alternative is to use a bleach solution instead, it kills viruses, look it up.
@cricky - I know, the situation looks dire when you're using booze to disinfect your hands and a rain coat to protect you from viruses but you gotta do what you gotta do. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.
since1981
Said it in another post, three months on, why is Japan short of supplies?
kurisupisu
I’ve been using vodka with a 40% alcohol content for a month now.
Works for me!
bearandrodent
Anyone want to guess how many months our lawmakers debated that these hand sanitizers must contain 76.9 - 81.4% alcohol?
albaleo
That's a bit confusing. "proof" is not usually measured as a percentage. For example, in the USA, 100-proof whisky would be 50% by volume (ABV). In the UK, although not used these days, 70° proof whisky would be about 40% by volume.
virusrex
Killing viruses is not that hard, a lot of things can do it, the problem is to make people use the disinfectant constantly in order for it to be effective. Bleach is more irritant and leaves a very strong smell difficult to wash out, Iodine stains, etc. Alcohol has the huge advantage of evaporating on its own without leaving behind anything so it is much more easier to get people to use it frequently.
Gorramcowboy
Just have hand washing stations at the entrance to every school, hospital, clinic, etc. Soap decimates viruses.
Everyone washes for 20 supervised seconds then you get entry. If you don't, you don't get entry.
Bar soap lasts forever and there should be adequate supply.
Bruce Li
What a horrible waste of good vodka!
Japanoob
@ Toshihiro
Please be careful recommending such dangerous practices. Do not use bleach as a hand sanitizer. Hospitals don't need even more patients at this time.
'Bleach solutions are very hard on the skin, and should not be used as a substitute for hand washing and/or hand sanitizer.' Source: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/clean-kill-coronavirus-covid19-safety-health/
It can, I read in the link above but use carefully it at you own risk, be used for disinfecting objects only. i.e. toys etc.
Additionally instead of asking people to 'look it up' perhaps consider providing a source.
Cricky
The idea of medical staff dressed in miss matched raincoats with bottles of Vodka in their pockets does not inspire confidence. Really three months warning we are told its under control and this!
sir_bentley28
This sounds like another tactic to boost sales for alcohol. Soap and warm water also works fine. A spoonful of bleach in a bucket of warm water also does the job. We do that every day in my line of work.
Do the hustle
To be taken internally!
dbsaiya
Great! Everyone can work under the fumes of Bacardi 151!
gogogo
AFP stop reporting this... Japan doesn't test enough so the numbers are hidden... No country has been spared
Pukey2
I am NOT dipping my hands in bleach!
kohakuebisu
There is a WHO recipe for hand santizer. It uses isopropyl alcohol, available right now at a normal price on Amazon Japan, gylcerine (a moisturizer, so easily substituted), 3% peroxide for extra hygiene, and boiled water.
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf
This is a very easy problem to solve and suggests a lack of guidance from the top.
Dan Lavender
japan massively over prepared for this crisis!
let me donate my rain coat and spare gin to my local hospital...and my two abenomasks...
sigh....
runner3
Most of the distilleries and breweries in Canada have been making hand sanitizer for a couple months. They stepped up right away as soon as they heard about the shortage, some even gave it away.
ian
This is what I'm using now
Derek Grebe
Why is it so difficult to produce alcohol? Just tell Nikka to stop making rotgut Nikka Black for a few months and switch production to pure ethanol. Can't be too hard to do, surely?
Graham DeShazo
This is pathetic.
simon g
No such thing. It's just tasteless alcohol. The rest is marketing spin.
ian
Apparently, there are legal barriers that prohibits distilleries from making sanitizers. Not to mention that it would be very costly.
https://tokyo-craftliqueur.amebaownd.com/posts/7997435
Luddite
Raw alcohol dries hands very quickly, and dry sore hands make you vulnerable to infection. Nurse can’t work if the skin is broken on their hands.
virusrex
But you need running water for those, and more time. Therefore it cannot replace a simple bottle of disinfectant put at every entrance/exit of a building. As long as the hands remain wet for 30 seconds alcohol solutions have the same efficacy.
Slickdrifter
As a recovering alcoholic this is not an option for me. Nearly three years sober.
Other than soap and water. Any other alternatives?
Thoughts anyone?
TheCaledonian
More red-tape to thwart common sense?
It's already happening in other countries.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/18/business/alcohol-companies-hand-sanitizer-scli-intl-gbr/index.html
https://www.fooddive.com/news/alcohol-companies-pivot-to-producing-hand-sanitizer-as-coronavirus-intensif/574537/
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2020/03/25/central-texas-alcohol-companies-switch-from-booze-to-making-sanitizer
https://www.wsj.com/articles/distillers-turn-whiskey-and-gin-into-hand-sanitizer-11585049650
FocusDis
As I read through the comments for a about a month; those who have professed Japan's success time and time again are the roadblocks for its lack of preparation. While I truly believe they speak from love of country by defending Japan, they must also know that we (foreigners) speak from their love of Japan in criticizing. Nobody wants our medical professionals to use gin while wearing raincoats when their treating our grandparents.
Reese
Gloves? :)
garypen
That's what makes it good!
garypen
Isopropyl alcohol is much less drying/damaging to the hands than ethanol. Add some glycerine, and you've got an excellent hand sanitizer. If you don't need a spray, and prefer a gel, then use aloe instead of water, which is much better for your hands. 70% alc, 27% aloe or water, 3% glycerine. Boom. Put it in small spray or squeeze bottles to carry in the car, pocket, and/or purse, and you're golden. Also, keep a bottle by the front door for when you receive packages and to wipe the door knobs/handles.
I also use a 70% alcohol mixture, without glycerine or aloe, for sanitizing delivered goods and kaimono, before using or putting in the cupboard/fridge.
Luddite
@garypen. It’s still drying. Nurses are cleaning their hands much more often than anyone else. On an eight hour shift I washed/cleaned my hands about 40 to 50 times a day.
Punctual Plum
How embarrassed I am to be Japanese. We are a world laughing stock. Thanks Abe you cretin!
runner3
Slickdrifter, soap and water is the best. Sanitizer should only be used when you can't wash your hands properly. Make sure you use soap, it's actually the soap that kills the covid 19. And wash for at least 20 seconds. Best of luck.
kurisupisu
@ BigYen
Japanese whisky for imbibing, vodka for hands.
lostrune2
As long as it's at least 60% alcohol content
Another way to beat a sanitizer shortage is to take something that has a very high % alcohol content (for example, 90%), then DILUTE it down to 60% alcohol content by adding more water
That way, ya increase the volume but still meet the minimum 60% requirement
runner3
Lostrune2, minimal standards is not the way to go!
lostrune2
If ya have a shortage, what choice do ya have
You either dilute it, or go without
60% is still better than 0%