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Tokyo gov't plans to start same-sex partnership system in November

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Better late than never.

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Good.

-7 ( +13 / -20 )

Welcome to the year 2000, Japan…….wait, we still got a half year more to go….

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A shameful waste of my taxes.

-6 ( +13 / -19 )

Live and let live...why not?

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This is of course a step in the right direction, but what practical benefits do the partnership certificates confer, especially if they are kept so private? Same-sex marriage needs to be made legally binding by Japan as a whole.

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Slow but steady progress is the norm in Japan, and this fits right in with that philosophy. While the slowness of change can be frustrating, it does acclimatize people to the idea which actually helps people to accept it.

-4 ( +9 / -13 )

As our dear leaders live in the Edo period, this must be a hard pill to swallow.

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Japan does not legally recognize marriage between members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, but many prefectural and local governments issue legally nonbinding certifications recognizing sexual minority couples.

I give Japan credit for recognizing the obvious though, which is marriage is between a man a woman.

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Saying they feel that their "existence (as a sexual minority) is being recognized by society"

Not to burst their sensitive little bubble but society really doesn't care , hence the fact that Japan doesn't legally recognize same sex marriages.

Applicants with children will also have the option to include their children's names on the certificates.

So parents can certify that their children are a sexual minority .

No that's not a good idea !

Only adults should decide whether they want themselves to be recognized as a sexual minority.

I think its reasonable to asume that some children may not be aware of the future negative identity problems that may be associated with being on a list as a certified sexual minority.

When the child is of legal age for sex only then should they be allowed to make that decision to be certified as a sexual minority.

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painkillerToday  09:49 am JST

Japan does not legally recognize marriage between members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, but many prefectural and local governments issue legally nonbinding certifications recognizing sexual minority couples.

I give Japan credit for recognizing the obvious though, which is marriage is between a man a woman.

Yes, or between two men, or two women or whoever wants to be together. We are all one anyway.

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Yes, or between two men, or two women or whoever wants to be together. We are all one anyway.

Japan legally recognizes marriage between 2 men, or two women is what you are saying?

That is the law in Japan?

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It does acclimatize people to the idea which actually helps people to accept it.

Yes that's it exactly - it's only actually an idea and not legally accepted because "ITS NOT ACCEPTED"

therefore in reality the only thing that excepted is the obvious fact that it isn't accepted that the sexual minority are recognized.

Its the sexual minority people that need to accept the fact that their a sexual minority of society.

Society doesn't need to accept them.

Society doesn't need to recognize them either

That's just ridiculous we need to accept them or recognize them .

Personal i dont give a flip if a sexual minority needs attention .

Need to take into consideration that normal heterosexual people don't want to be pestered or forced to accept a sexual minority identity crisis or habits and especially not in public.

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A shameful waste of my taxes.

I believe tax money here in Japan, could be better spent on issues such as single parent families living below the poverty line, children having to go without food, young carers being unable to go to school, victims of DV, etc. IMO, same-sex couples seeking further "recognition" from society can wait.

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To apply for the so-called "Tokyo Partnership Oath System," at least one partner needs to be a sexual minority

So, a straight man and a gay man living as housemates can get this non-binding certificate?

Am I missing something?

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ts the sexual minority people that need to accept the fact that their a sexual minority of society.

Society doesn't need to accept them.

Society doesn't need to recognize them either

If I see someone doing Cosplay--dressed up as Pikachu or whatever, I accept that the person exists as someone dressed up as Pikachu, but I do not recognize that person as Pikachu.

I believe people are free to act in any manner they desire, as long as it is not harmful physically to other people.

And it is one thing to "act", and it is another thing to actually "be".

Thankfully, the majority of society recognizes that; and it is a prime reason we have Disney World.

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Great news for the LGBTQI community! It's about time!

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Tom SanToday  10:16 am JST

A shameful waste of my taxes.

I believe tax money here in Japan, could be better spent on issues such as single parent families living below the poverty line, children having to go without food, young carers being unable to go to school, victims of DV, etc. IMO, same-sex couples seeking further "recognition" from society can wait.

Tax funds don't have to go on some things at the exclusion of other things.

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letsberealisticToday  10:49 am JST

painkillerToday  09:59 am JST*

Yes, or between two men, or two women or whoever wants to be together. We are all one anyway.

Japan legally recognizes marriage between 2 men, or two women is what you are saying?

That is the law in Japan?

I mean, marriage should be between whoever wants to get married, not just between a man and woman as you suggested. This is not the Victorian era after all.

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When it comes down to it, if two anybody want to get married, why shouldn't they be able to? Whether they're same-sex, opposite-sex, friends, lovers, or whatever? Logical replies will not be ridiculed.

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Tax funds don't have to go on some things at the exclusion of other things.

Exclusion? You said exclusion?

I call it prioritization.

Read the comment again.

I said that same-sex couples seeking further "recognition" from society can wait.

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I said that same-sex couples seeking further "recognition" from society can wait.

Or maybe you can deal with it instead. What makes you better than them?

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My same-sex partner and I have been together since junior high in the mid-90s, so about 26 years, and while we are happy that our relationship is accepted by family, friends, and coworkers (which is really the main thing), we still can't get any legal recognition as a relationship. While this partnership system is a start, we'd really like to be legally married. Just wanted to add a personal story to the discussion.

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Glad to see some recognition but it seems a tad undercooked. Maybe give it a few more years and they can figure it out.

Great to see the other opinions reflected in the comments sections and upvote counts of these kinds of articles. (/s) I hope you felt heard despite your outdated, simple viewpoints slowly losing the argument in societies in the West and abroad.

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I call it prioritization.

Why prioritize when you can do these things simultaneously?

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Great news! I hope this also helps with inheritance paperwork in the case of one person passing away.

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letsberealisticToday  10:49 am JST

lI mean, marriage should be between whoever wants to get married, not just between a man and woman as you suggested. This is not the Victorian era after all.

I wasn't suggesting anything though, and not giving an opinion. I was just stating a fact about sexual minorities.

And the fact is Japan does not legally recognize marriage between members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, 

This is Japan.

gokai_wo_manekuToday  11:00 am JST

My same-sex partner and I have been together since junior high in the mid-90s, so about 26 years, and while we are happy that our relationship is accepted by family, friends, and coworkers (which is really the main thing), we still can't get any legal recognition as a relationship. While this partnership system is a start, we'd really like to be legally married. 

Truly happy for your relationship, and as a non-sexual minority member, I am 100% accepting of it.

I prefer to keep the term "marriage" exclusive as between men and women in a relationship.

In same-sex partner cases, I am 100% for using the term "civil union" or whatever, and for affording the same rights as those in a marriage; in other words, you deserve the same legal recognition.

Just like I prefer female offspring to be called "daughter" and male offspring "son", it comes down to the wording.

Is that acceptable?

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Who cares, live and let live.

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Meh. This is just another bandaid on the wall.

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Applicants with children will also have the option to include their children's names on the certificates.

So parents can certify that their children are a sexual minority .

No that's not a good idea !

Well it's your idea

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Meh. This is just another bandaid on the wall.

Yep, legally nonbinding as mentioned somewhere out there.

Still better than an open wound

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I prefer to keep the term "marriage" exclusive as between men and women in a relationship.

I prefer to keep the term “marriage” inclusive to any two people who chose to marry.

You’re free to “prefer” it be a certain way, but when people have no say how the government defines their relationship, they become disenfranchised.

It would be ridiculous if a gay couple were awarded certain rights for their partners that a straight couple weren’t allowed. I just don’t understand why some people think the opposite is okay. Minorities deserve the same rights and recognition of their rights that others take for granted.

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fumpyToday  12:52 pm JST

I prefer to keep the term “marriage” inclusive to any two people who chose to marry. 

Can't keep something that isn't. In Japan, marriage only refers to a man and woman. It's the law.

You’re free to “prefer” it be a certain way, but when people have no say how the government defines their relationship, they become disenfranchised.

Doesn't matter if I am free to or not--because that is the way it is in Japan. And people are free to vote for their government officials, and the majority think it is rational for only a male and female to be able to marry (as has been the case for centuries).

It would be ridiculous if a gay couple were awarded certain rights for their partners that a straight couple weren’t allowed. I just don’t understand why some people think the opposite is okay. Minorities deserve the same rights and recognition of their rights that others take for granted.

It sure would, and my previous comments reflect the same thought.

And it seems you have accepted that the end goal for this issue is equal rights for relationships, but not equal wording. So marriage for men and women, civil union for same-sex couples, and the same rights for all.

No problem with that right?

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@painkiller

Dressed up a pikachu or whatever.

Same sex partnership system is what this article and discussion is about and not what gender Pikachu is or someone in a consplay costume.

Same sex marriages are not legally recognized so therefore they are not part of Japanese society.

People stubbornly try to say that they are being recognized but it's completely, obviously and very clearly announced that same sex marriages are not officially legally recognized.

I believe people are free to act in any manner they desire.

Your absolutely incorrect again and not being realistic.

If people are free to act anyway they disire then same sex marriages would be legal.

Furthermore being gay or lesbian isn't an act or something they believe in, its their preference or disposition.

Gay or lesbian or LGBT or LGBTQ can do as they please in the privacy of their home but they shouldn't expect everyone to recognize or respect their sexual minority issues in Japan because its not legal here.

Its more like a government survey to compile a list of all the sexual minority.

This is Japan we are talking about where foreigners aren't treated equally and neither are women.

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Kyo wa heiwa dayo neToday  02:01 pm JST

@painkiller

Dressed up a pikachu or whatever.

Same sex partnership system is what this article and discussion is about and not what gender Pikachu is or someone in a consplay costume.

Same sex marriages are not legally recognized so therefore they are not part of Japanese society.

People stubbornly try to say that they are being recognized but it's completely, obviously and very clearly announced that same sex marriages are not officially legally recognized.

I believe people are free to act in any manner they desire.

Your absolutely incorrect again and not being realistic.

If people are free to act anyway they disire then same sex marriages would be legal.

Furthermore being gay or lesbian isn't an act or something they believe in, its their preference or disposition.

Gay or lesbian or LGBT or LGBTQ can do as they please in the privacy of their home but they shouldn't expect everyone to recognize or respect their sexual minority issues in Japan because its not legal here.

Its more like a government survey to compile a list of all the sexual minority.

This is Japan we are talking about where foreigners aren't treated equally and neither are women.

You are just arguing semantics here. The vast majority of Japanese (including politicians) support gay marriage according to recent polls. So it's just a matter of time and red tape, not a moral position among Japanese that gay marriage is not currently legal.

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> Comanche_in_TokyoToday  01:20 pm JST

Japan please don’t go down this dark rabbit hole!

Interesting., please elaborate.

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I find it interesting that whenever these social issues get brought up someone responds along the lines of “This is Japan, and that’s the way it is.” As if Japan is some monolithic entity that exists as it always has.

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This is Japan, so you may be waiting a long time for gay marriage. They should consider domestic partnerships, however, so gay couples can get the same legal rights as married couples.

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partnership is correct word,not marriage.

marriage is something completely different.

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About time! My different-sex partner and I had been living in state of unwedded matrimony for many years until we decided that the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune were just too much to bear on our fledgling relationship. We may be apart now but I can't help but feel that this law would have kept us together.

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I find it interesting that whenever these social issues get brought up someone responds along the lines of “This is Japan, and that’s the way it is.” As if Japan is some monolithic entity that exists as it always has.

And it's clear, by this article, that there are a significant number of Japanese people who agree with our positions. Should said Japanese people also leave Japan?

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marriage is something completely different.

Not to me. What makes you so special that your definition of marriage should trump mine?

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StrangerlandToday  12:16 am JST

For now. But the grassroots movements will have Japan drop that in a few years. It's inevitable. That's how change in Japan is enacted.

For now, and that has the way it has been forever.

Anyone can throw around random predictions, but doesn't mean those will become true, eh?

For now.

Weird that you quoted my comment on marking posts that justify based on the venegeful sky fairy as misinformation, but didn't address it.

Again, can't make this any easier for you, but per the article:

Japan does not legally recognize marriage between members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community,

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@letsberealistic

As usual you are not being realistic.

The clear message is same sex marriages are not legally recognized.

There's nothing semantic about that.

And any ridiculous incorrect poll survey that makes you believe that the majority of Japan accepts same sex marriages is absolutely preposterous lies !

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And any ridiculous incorrect poll survey that makes you believe that the majority of Japan accepts same sex marriages is absolutely preposterous lies !

Or get this, maybe it’s not.

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Kyo wa heiwa dayo neToday  06:16 am JST

And any ridiculous incorrect poll survey that makes you believe that the majority of Japan accepts same sex marriages is absolutely preposterous lies !

Agreed, because same sex marriage in Japan does not exist; it is not legal.

The article expresses that simple concept:

Japan does not legally recognize marriage between members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, 

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