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People need to do something during lockdowns. Staying at home is boring.

As long as people wear masks and social distance, who cares.

-45 ( +23 / -68 )

Oldman_13, yeah, it's only a deadly virus. No big deal.

33 ( +52 / -19 )

Every 3 days? How about every 3 weeks if logistics (vehicle) allow? Get delivery. Buy stuff you already eat and cook. Certainly people can shop/delivery for 1 week at home.

1 ( +25 / -24 )

If you only have a bar fridge pretty limited for foods.

24 ( +28 / -4 )

Deadly virus?

80 percent of people infected have no symptoms. People who are mostly older and or with preexisting illnesses, for them it may be deadly in some cases, but we are not talking about Ebola here...

As for the shopping restrictions, the obachans won't listen. They go as they please.

You can't even buy 強力粉 flour anywhere anymore. Went to 5 different shops and couldn't find a single one...

-18 ( +22 / -40 )

When you make restaurants closing, that’s what happens. Ms Koike

And are you going yourself to the supermarket to know that and work from home Ms Koike ?

2 ( +15 / -13 )

In my case, the city government from where I live imposed an odd-even scheme for people who are allowed to go out and buy essentials. They odd-even scheme is based on the start of your last name. I hope the Japanese government makes a similar idea, you can't just make appeals to the people, you need to take concrete action

12 ( +14 / -2 )

Get all of that ice cream at one time and store it in your double freezers.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

In addition, don’t bring the whole family food shopping! Went to Costco to resupply. It was on a Thursday during non peak time, so I thought and kids running around without masks, moms chatting it up in the isles, dads, moms, kids off to the side on cellphones, it was a mad house. Hats off to Costco for wiping down carts before handing one off to a customer, one case of water, toilet per family, no over buying of essential items and the great staff working so that we can keep supplied with daily essentials. I also heard that 9am to 10 am is reserved for senior citizens to shop. Great idea.

Now I wish all supermarkets would permit maximum of two people per family. People are out trying to resupply their cupboards. Don’t need to pack these places with ill mannered kids at a time like this.

24 ( +28 / -4 )

Right, it wouldnt be such a big problem if parents didnt take their whole families along with them when they go shopping too!

17 ( +22 / -5 )

According to the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, a whopping 237 people were PCR tested in Tokyo on April 22. Only 167 were tested on April 21. 167 tests in a city of 14 million people.

With such meager testing, I fear that the government is going to be asking us to stay at home for a long time.

16 ( +19 / -3 )

I live out in rural Saitama. Got my garden planted early. Taters, tomaters, cukes, onions, you name it. Still more space for more veggies.

10 ( +19 / -9 )

The size of houses or rather *apaato/mansion** *here is too small to accommodate sizeable fridge and groceries.

Your fridge is in your bedroom,next to your uniito baasu which magically transforms into your living and dining/kitchen after folding up your futon.

Where do you store 3 days groceries?

20 ( +23 / -3 )

They could do like in the States to cut down on crowding, they could limit the number of people coming in to 2-3 and set up a time for the elderly in the mornings, 65 and older first, that way they’re safe and don’t need to be around kids running around the stores touching and grabbing everything and after that go down the list, but the younger and healthier ones go last. If you plan it, enforce it and regulate its you can easily cut down the insane madness that will not stop no matter what the government calls for unless you take action and enforce new regulation guidelines. People need to eat, understandable, but if you want to tackle this virus, you can’t have crowds all over the stores and packed in this fashion, it just defeats the entire purpose of social distancing and combating the virus.

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since1981Today  07:00 am JST

In addition, don’t bring the whole family food shopping!

I’ve been saying this for weeks. Only one family member needs to go food shopping. It shouldn’t be treated as a family day out!

17 ( +20 / -3 )

Koike/Abe now attempting to shift responsibility for the virus onto the people.

The government is disintegrating, meaning there's no coherent leadership or coordination. Messages are confused and incoherent. Leadership is a pantomime. It's a total shambles.

19 ( +24 / -5 )

bass4funkToday  08:01 am JST

They could do like in the States to cut down on crowding, they could limit the number of people coming in to 2-3 and set up a time for the elderly in the mornings, 65 and older first,

It’s the same in Canada, or at least in my hometown. Only seniors are allowed from I think 7-9am, and after that it’s only one member per family. Additionally, they’ve taped off a route up and down every aisle that every shopper must follow, grabbing what they need on the way. It’s pretty strict, but at least they’re trying to keep things safe.

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It’s the same in Canada, or at least in my hometown. Only seniors are allowed from I think 7-9am, and after that it’s only one member per family. Additionally, they’ve taped off a route up and down every aisle that every shopper must follow, grabbing what they need on the way. It’s pretty strict, but at least they’re trying to keep things safe.

It’s very easy to implement. You just need decisive leadership. If Japan wants to get ahead of this virus, they need to be aggressive, take aggressive actions and force people to follow certain guidelines or they just won’t and the few stores that have normal working hours will continue to be and remain cluster magnets.

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close parking lots and playgrounds at city parks 

Great idea, cram everybody on trains and buses

limit the frequency of grocery shopping to every three days

She doesn’t know that Japanese people don’t eat frozen, chemical and preservative laden, tasteless brown food.

-8 ( +8 / -16 )

COSTCO has dropped the ball. They limit your visitors to family if they are over 18 and only two, but for kids no limits on how many you can bring in.

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

They could do like in the States to cut down on crowding, they could limit the number of people coming in to 2-3 and set up a time for the elderly in the mornings

Ahhh, because everyone is clammering to be just like super successful USA. Gawd, how're the US' efforts working out?

-2 ( +8 / -10 )

We need a more self-sufficient society from now on...self-sufficient cities, etc...

what will happen if we become unable to produce or transport food from far-away places to the supermarket or what if supermarkets themselves become unable to operate for some reason...will we just cross our arms and starve to death? We have a lot of unused spaces in cities, why haven't we used them to grow some food for emergency periods? Why haven't we installed solar panels on most large buildings yet to supply electricity for emergencies as well? In such a disaster-prone country such as this one, it is a total no-brainer...Fill those parks with fruit-bearing trees and stop caring about who will eat the fruit, in the end we must all support each other in times of need, and believe me that does not mean giving money away, money is worthless when there is nothing to buy, no food to eat...

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Why are the media and press not grilling Tokyo Gov Yuriko Koike, into the failure to institute a comprehensive programme of testing, tracing, tracking?

If makes not an iota of difference if and when family choose to shop Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, or Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday!

The question is how many are carrying the Virus, that remain unaware.

Tokyo Gov Yuriko Koike continues to preach, lecture, holding press conferences with little or no concrete proposals to actually contain the spread of this pandemic. It appears to be nothing more that a sideshow, motivated by political vanity

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In our prefecture important items are disappearing, like bread flour and yeast which I had to now order from Amazon, 25 kg of flour and 250 grams of yeast which should make about 100 breads or about 100 days. The flour is same price has local super but better quality.

This is why the disappear. Because people buy 25kg of flour to make bread for 100 days...

8 ( +10 / -2 )

Hope there are amazon (fresh) employees reading this . This is a good chance to try and help japan buy more k-trucks and hire everyone that may have lost his job.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Lemming much?

Burning Bush

I notice that all the "talents" who comment on Tokyo-based Japanese TV variety shows seem to be ignoring Koike's Stay Home order.

As long as those teenagers with funny hairdos on TV openly defy Stay Home, I will too.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Bound to be some posh git with an even and odd hyphenated surname like Appleby-Bromwich.

Dont know much about Japan do you? I would be highly surprised if there is even ONE by that name here who is Japanese!

They could do like in the States to cut down on crowding, they could limit the number of people coming in to 2-3 and set up a time for the elderly in the mornings

Oh this is rich, how about they DONT copy the US and all the idiots that are protesting about having to stay home!

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@bass4funk, I seldom give you a thumbs-up, but what you wrote is exactly what's been happening in Victoria, BC, for the past six weeks. And we all get along! Go figure!

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Koike/Abe now attempting to shift responsibility for the virus onto the people.

This was the plan all along. The buck clearly doesn't stop with them. Japanese folk need to be more proactive. This pandemic has shown just how much out of touch the one party monopoly is. Time for some real changes.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Shop only every three days?

How am I supposed to carry 18 cans of beer?

And snacks?

8 ( +13 / -5 )

Here in NYC, the number of shoppers allowed inside is limited and a queue is set up and monitored outside. Six-feet social distancing is enforced in the queue and, as much as possible, inside the grocery stores as well. It seems to work pretty well.

It is not necessary to eat fresh fish or meat every day and other items keep long enough that one can eat a healthy enough diet without shopping more than twice a week.

It’s unbelievable that a politician would say that forgoing one holiday of sightseeing is a tragedy. Thousands of people dying is a tragedy. Looking out for one’s neighbors is an honor.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

I think they should also ask pole to visit the izakayas and Pachinko parlours ( still open see other story) every 3 days as well. Why do they discriminate against people buying food!

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This is common sense. Risk is a function of frequency of exposure, probability, and severity. This will reduce the frequency of exposure.

Singapore reported 1,037 new cases yesterday. They are now putting their "circuit breaker" into place and I received an e-mail from a client there that they are not even accepting deliveries of any items to their factories.

It is not not legal to be outdoors in Singapore without a mask (to reduce the risk of transmission from infected people.

On the other hand, Singapore who has a very good track record of reporting and also correctly documenting deaths is reporting 9 deaths of over 10,000 cases which would result in a 0.1% case mortality rate. We have to keep in mind that Singapore has ultra modern hospitals which are well staffed.

We do not normally eat anything from a can and rarely from a box (except for pasta, etc.) but we have quite a stash now as we have been trying to minimize trips to stores for over a month now.

1 ( +6 / -5 )

Whie I can appreciate the intent and purpose of this "once every 3 days" suggestion, in a realistic sense I don't think it will work very easily. Apart from the storage capacity issue, for many people the days they get out for an "essential" activity is the only time they have to really move their bodies and get some sunshine and build up some vitamin D. Shopping every day may be an unecessary risk so once every two days ought to work.

Christopher PelhamToday  10:25 am JST

Here in NYC, the number of shoppers allowed inside is limited and a queue is set up and monitored outside. Six-feet social distancing is enforced in the queue and, as much as possible, inside the grocery stores as well. It seems to work pretty well.

Many, if not most, of supermarkets in Japan are doing the same thing with distance markers at the register and plastic sheeting separating the cashier from the customer. I haven't heard of limiting customer numbers though.

2 ( +7 / -5 )

I feel the shopping culture here in Tokyo is mostly day to day for groceries. I bought a weeks worth of stuff for myself yesterday, about 7000 yen. When those other shoppers near me where spending under 1000 yen.

BUY MORE!! Less trips out!!

3 ( +7 / -4 )

I live both in Tokyo (Hiro-o) and Manhattan, New York. You must limit your movements, wear a face mask and wash your hands as often as possible! COVID-19 is a killer being lazy, not listening to the science and medical, experts makes you a perfect target! This is not a game, this is not a joke people are dying and if you feel it is boring or losing your are losing your freedoms. The alternative may be deadly! Some of the posts I have read or just wrong and may have dire consequences! Try to just get through it, the alternative may be a small box!

1 ( +7 / -6 )

It would be a bind to have to go shopping every three days.

The Coop delivers once a week, that takes care of basic items - dairy, eggs, flour, some fruit & veg, some sweets & odds'n'ends.

The tofu man comes round in his van once a week, that takes care of soya-based products (important if you're vegetarian)

Every couple of months or so we drive over to the local import store to stock up on pasta, booze, tinned goods and dry goods.

That leaves a weekly trip for fresh fruit & veg and anything else we might need.

Got better things to do with my time than push a cart round a crowded supermarket.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

this is why it's called pandemic, looks at the contradicting comments above,

if you don't have capability of mass testing and national tracking system, stay home is only way to go,

if you continue to go outside, your chances of infection increases, comprendo !

some of you have some good comments on deliveries, sure, I use the grocery deliveries as much as possible

you want to take a walk, walk around your neighborhood with a mask on. any mask,

1 ( +4 / -3 )

This needn’t be a directive from the governor, supermarkets should show some initiative and limit numbers in store and introduce set shopping times for the elderly/disabled etc.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Tokyo governor asks residents to grocery shop only every 3 days

This is what I've already been doing, do I get a gold star ?

3 ( +4 / -1 )

This is what I've been doing. It's surprisingly not easy... we have a regular sized refrigerator but I do now regret not getting one of the XL ones. I try to do 3 days of groceries and one day of either free for all eating during the day or like Uber Eats. With 3 meals a day, snacks, drinks, etc. it gets pretty darn heavy. Who knows why, but MIL (in laws live in an attached house to ours) gets really embarrassed when I order delivery food/amazon. I order what I can from Amazon, but ordering out food really gets to her. Yeah, it's not healthy, I get it... but after cooking 20 meals a week for 3 people, sometimes I just don't feel like it. I don't know why she cares that maybe one rogue elderly neighbor might silently judge us for ordering food. It's not like we're the only people in the world that order food occasionally. Rant over uhg

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Close the pachinko , or shame them, Name n Shame them isnt it what they said they were going to do, Social pressure on those who do not comply with the request to comply with the stay home close up shop request !

If you can only shop once every three days and have a family but only one member can go shopping how will that one person carry all the goods home?

The fridge isnt big enough when you get home anyway, one ice cream and frozen pizza the freezer is full, there is no logic to the authorities suggestions.

But then why would there be, they have never lived in real conditions, in the real world, with real peoples daily problems so have absolutely no FN clue about real life at all.

These morons making thse choices and decisions on your daily life are the same morons who screwed this whole thing up in the first place. Abe , Aso , Koike and associates.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

There has logistical methodology that “testing sites” could be set up in the vicinity of supermarkets.

It is a question of quantifying population density to each location and structure in an appointment regime to stagger arrivals and departures to maintain social distancing.

Shop and test or vice versa.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Shop only every three days?

How am I supposed to carry 18 cans of beer?

And snacks?

Beer machines must be reintroduced! The ones with the 1 liter and 2 liter cans!

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Yeah I remember those 1L cans of Asahi with the handle. I think they were like 350 yen back in the day?

Maybe something good to come from this will be more contactless type shopping available where you can buy things 24x7 without interacting with people or being surrounded by shoppers.

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Close the pachinko , or shame them, Name n Shame them isnt it what they said they were going to do

I believe Osaka is beginning to name and shame.

I am no fan of the mayor or the governor of Osaka both of whom are right-wing populists, but the governor seems to be doing a better job than many on the COVID response

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Gov. Koike's one sharp lady. She should be running the country.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

If people gather every 3 days to shop it will be a massive gathering, what's the point?

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

If hey refuse to do massive testing then I refuse and have the legal right to ignore stupid rules especially if Pachinko places are open. That is so wrong.

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

"Tokyo Gov Yuriko Koike on Thursday requested residents limit the frequency of grocery shopping to every three days as part of steps to prevent supermarkets becoming too crowded amid the coronavirus epidemic."

Request denied. As long as the words "request", "suggest", or even "plead with" replace the words "order", people aren't going to do it, no matter how much English you put in the signs.

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

Gov. Koike's one sharp lady. She should be running the country.

She's just the latest incarnation of the odious Shintaro Ishihara. She's sharp in the same way as Trump; she has a kind of reptilian cunning, and nothing more.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Beer machines must be reintroduced! The ones with the 1 liter and 2 liter cans!

And the giant whisky bottles!

4 ( +5 / -1 )

rgcivilian1:

If people gather every 3 days to shop it will be a massive gathering, what's the point?

The idea is that only one-third of the shoppers go on Monday, another on Tuesday, and the remaining third on Wednesday, and the cycle repeats. So the number of shoppers at any one time is cut by 66%.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

It is not a one size fits all, the shopping needs and frequency of a family of 5 is completely different from that of a family of 3.

Not easy as some here and Koike think.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

But if people are asked to only shop every three days, instead of every single day for one day's meals, all the old people will take full-sized suitcases instead of simply their overnight bags.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Jacek Adamczyk wrote:

"Deadly virus?"

"Definition of deadly

1: likely to cause or capable of producing death [e.g., deadly poison]"

(Source:- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deadly )

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"As of April 23, 2020, the outbreak of thecoronavirus disease (COVID-19) had spread to six continents, and approximately 184,249 people had died after contracting the respiratory virus. Around 25,085 of these deaths occurred in Italy."

(Source: - https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/ )

Jacek Adamczyk wrote:

"80 percent of people infected have NO symptoms..."

"About 80% of people get a VERY MILD illness and they recover uneventfully. That's important to realize," said Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency medicine physician with Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. An additional 15% of people infected with coronavirus have more serious symptoms, and 5% develop life-threatening illness, experts note."

(Source: - https://www.newsmax.com/t/health/article/959868?section=health-news&keywords=virus-symptoms-recovery&year=2020&month=03&date=25&id=959868&oref=duckduckgo.com )

"80% of COVID-19 patients experience 'mild' symptoms — but that likely still involves a fever and cough..."

(Source: - https://www.businessinsider.com/what-coronavirus-mild-symptoms-are-fever-2020-3?op=1 )

Jacek Adamczyk wrote:

"People who are mostly older and/or with preexisting illnesses, for them it may be deadly in some cases..."

"At least 759 people under the age of 50 have died in the U.S. from the virus that causes COVID-19, The Washington Post reported Wednesday. At least 45 of those deaths were among people in their 20s and at least 190 among people in their 30s, the paper said. Even patients under the age of 20 have not been spared. The Post said at least 9 people in the U.S. who were 20 or younger have died because of the illness."

(Source: - https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e8ebea0c5b6b371812bf71a )

"The age of the infant, who lived in Cook County, has not been released. This isn't the first death in an infant confirmed to have COVID-19. In China, a 10-month-old with the disease, died 4 weeks after being admitted to the Wuhan Children's Hospital, according to a March 18 report published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Though as the pandemic unfolds, doctors are realizing that no age group is immune to the virus nor to its severe health effects, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus still appears to be more severe in older adults..."

(Source: - https://www.livescience.com/us-infant-dies-coronavirus.html )

"A 13-year-old boy who tested positive for coronavirus has died, a London hospital trust has said. Ismail Mohamed Abdulwahab, from Brixton in south London, died in King's College Hospital early on Monday. He is thought to be the youngest person to have died with the virus in the UK...[and] he had no apparent underlying health conditions and tested positive for Covid-19..."

(Source: - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52114476 )

"If children are infected yet have milder symptoms, they may still play a critical role in COVID-19 transmission. Children are mobile, shed large volume of virus, congregate in groups and are at lower risk of severe disease so often maintain their daily activities. Preventing school-age children getting infected with influenza has been shown to be an effective community prevention strategy..."

(Source: - https://www.sciencealert.com/if-you-re-worried-about-children-catching-coronavirus-here-s-what-you-need-to-know )

Jacek Adamczyk wrote:

"...but we are not talking about Ebola here..."

"The Ebola virus disease (EVD) first struck in 1976 and there have been occasional outbreaks in the decades since, primarily in Africa. In 2014, the virus killed over 11,000 people in West Africa. While more lethal, Ebola is considered less contagious than coronavirus and is transmitted mainly by bodily fluids (coronavirus can be spread through droplets from coughs and sneezes)."

(Source: - https://www.healthcentral.com/article/coronavirus-vs-other-pandemics )

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If you ask the population to go to supermarket every 3 days all together instead of spreading the flow on 7 days, you will certainly just do the opposite of what you want to achieve, just saying...instead use your age, and spread the population based on the last digit of your age ^^

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Deadly virus?

80 percent of people infected have no symptoms. People who are mostly older and or with preexisting illnesses, for them it may be deadly in some cases, but we are not talking about Ebola here...

I'm so disappointed to still hear this argument. We don't know the number of asymptomatic cases, it could be higher or lower. But it is still fatal for 1% of people under 30 who present symptoms. So if it's really 80%, and it hits a school, you're still going to lose some kids.

What really gets me is that, including me, a lot of people of my generation (X), have had bouts with conditions like autoimmune disease, diabetes, cancer, kidney problems, etc. This eugenic-based argument that writes off people who have suffered illnesses as already dead is abhorrent. I implore you to re-think your position, as it might be life or death for some of us and we sure don'r want the latter for your convenience.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

@Paul Laimal-Convoy

All great points.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

This fatal for 1% has been heard so many times however all the current numbers and data are showing totally different figures : https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I now only go every 2 weeks for grocery shopping.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

People need to eat, understandable, but if you want to tackle this virus, you can’t have crowds all over the stores and packed in this fashion, it just defeats the entire purpose of social distancing and combating the virus.

But things like this will cripple the economy.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Many, if not most, of supermarkets in Japan are doing the same thing with distance markers at the register and plastic sheeting separating the cashier from the customer.

The distance markers are only 1 meter, not 2.

> I haven't heard of limiting customer numbers though.

This hasn’t started happening yet.

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

If she is so concerned with people staying home, and doesn't think it is such an inconvenience, why doesn't she give it a try. She can have her meetings and press briefings online from home...

0 ( +1 / -1 )

which is relevant to the Tokyo governor's idea for grocery shopping in Tokyo in what way? Does Trump own Tokyu Store or something?

Locking down the economy is a silly idea. This pandemic isn’t even as bad as the flu. Let those that want to work or shop do so!

Only liberals want to control people and force them to stay home when there is little to no need.

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

This is why the disappear. Because people buy 25kg of flour to make bread for 100 days...

Buying a 25k sack of flour on Amazon does nothing to influence what's on the supermarket shelves.

And it's way cheaper.

Thanks for the tip, zichi - I know where I'm buying my bread flour in future!

Invalid CSRF

2 ( +2 / -0 )

3 days? I cannot believe people do their shopping more than once a week in a time like this. It is completely selfish and doctors and nurses will die because of it. Supermarket staff too.

People have to stay at home as much as they possibly can. Easily fixed too. Jan-Feb birthdays shop on Mondays. March-April go on Tuesdays. Sundays should be holidays for staff and a deep clean of the store by cleaners.

End of story.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

what one USUALLY eats is irrelevant. Buy what will last. Crackers and cheese, apples, broccoli... we shop 1x/10days. We do order dinner out/delivery 1x/wk and make it last two meals. Want to support local restaurants!

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Until the Olympics were cancelled she did not care.

Don't be deceived, don’t be fooled. She wants to be the next PM

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Sorry, postponed

0 ( +0 / -0 )

and you should step a foot at a time.

Left, right, left, right...

And you also can only breath when she says so.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

I go food shopping once in 2 weeks, not once in 3 days.

I guess Japanese must shop frequently because many don't have cars and must hand carry grocery to home.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

We shop once a week, and it works perfect, hope you try it.

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Jacek AdamczykApr. 24 06:54 am JST

Deadly virus?

80 percent of people infected have no symptoms. People who are mostly older and or with preexisting illnesses, for them it may be deadly in some cases..

Yep, If only the people with symptoms were reported..this would be like the flu.. this virus is though highlighting the need for a healthy immune system and that's the case with those 80 percent. i.e there immune system will take care of the virus, they will not need any future vaccine.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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