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Tokyo governor urges young people to get vaccinated to slow virus surge

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So it's now the people's fault, not the inept government's slow rollout of the vaccine. Got it, Koike!

63 ( +71 / -8 )

3,177 ? Here it comes, everyone predicted it, now it's reality.

40 ( +44 / -4 )

Only 3,177? How do they get that low number. More testing and more transparency would give a realistic figure

29 ( +37 / -8 )

I'd like to know how she proposes that young people get vaccinated when (in my area at least) there hasn't been a single spot available in even one vaccination center, for the past two weeks.

66 ( +67 / -1 )

I'd like to know how she proposes that young people get vaccinated when (in my area at least) there hasn't been a single spot available in even one vaccination center, for the past two weeks.

That doesn't matter. She told you to do it, if you don't, then it's your fault. Plausible denial. The State of the Game of Japanese politics.

47 ( +49 / -2 )

The Gov Yuriko Koike is washing her hands the next she will say, SEE I TOLD YOU.

30 ( +32 / -2 )

My city has stopped taking reservations. You can't get a shot even if you want one.

45 ( +47 / -2 )

Can't

22 ( +26 / -4 )

That doesn't matter. She told you to do it, if you don't, then it's your fault. Plausible denial. The State of the Game of Japanese politics.

Pretty much.

When I was new to Japan, a Japanese girl I met (who ended up being a long time friend) said something very revealing. "Why do you foreigners ask "why" so much?"

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Tokyo Gov Yuriko Koike on Wednesday urged younger people to cooperate with measures to bring down the high number of infections and get vaccinated, 

Typical J- politics..it's the young people's fault for not getting vaccinated....never mind the fact, most of the 20,s and 30,s haven't received their vaccination vouchers and local governments suspended new innoculations....it's not the govt fault, it's all on the young people and izakayas....the crowded trains, workplaces and sky high LDP govt incompetence doesn't figure. TIJ

32 ( +33 / -1 )

Some of us gave STILL NOT received a vaccine form in the mail.

27 ( +28 / -1 )

My second shot is coming very soon!

1 ( +11 / -10 )

I think the issue is not about having young people getting vaccinated, it is about having the vaccine be made available to them.

34 ( +37 / -3 )

My second shot is coming very soon!

Good for you (really, no snark). Watch out for the side effects. Friend of mine, through work, got the second Moderna shot, and he said the next day he was like a zombie. Fever, aches and pains...of course that means the vaccine's working.

7 ( +16 / -9 )

I think what the governor means is that she urges people to wait for their vouchers in order to wait for the date they can call to wait to get through to wait for a reservation to get the shot.

28 ( +31 / -3 )

How? Our vaccine vouchers say to wait until August. and that's to book. God knows when we'll get the shot.

31 ( +32 / -1 )

If only, you know, people could actually get vaccinated during this slow rollout.

21 ( +22 / -1 )

Yokohama is unable to take bookings for vaccination after July due to no stock of vaccines.

Koike living in cloud-cuckoo land again.

Olympic volunteers would also like their second injection, despite the IOC and TOCOG requesting that they do not have it, in case that they are sick and unable to work.

34 ( +35 / -1 )

Good for you (really, no snark). Watch out for the side effects. Friend of mine, through work, got the second Moderna shot, and he said the next day he was like a zombie. Fever, aches and pains...of course that means the vaccine's working.

Thanks, I have heard something similar.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

I was finally able to book my 1st vaccine doze in the middle of Augest. My 2nd doze will be after the Olympics ended. How slow the Japanese government is!!

17 ( +20 / -3 )

Really an urge? That’s it?

10 ( +12 / -2 )

My husband is not young but cannot get the vaccine, so how the hell are younger people supposed to get one. This is a sick joke, blaming the population for the government’s cock ups.

35 ( +37 / -2 )

As I was watching the news during lunch break today, they "news person" was mocking the vaccination programs of other countries, pointing out how infections numbers are increasing in Israel and other countries despite 60% having received both shots. As if that justifies allowing the present doubling of the number in Tokyo... Let the shouganai continue... the media is just as complicit in this farce as the useless government is.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

My wife is diabetic 1. Yong fifties. Still waiting for her ridiculous forms to come from Yamato-city. We called. Nothing we can do they said. So how dare this lady tell young people to get vaccinated when those with priorities like preexisting conditions cannot?

Plus there is no freekin database for those with issues so that prioritizing was a damn lie as well.

20 ( +23 / -3 )

We might just do that if we can get an actual APPOINTMENT, rather than be on a waiting list. Other countries let you come in without a card or appointment.

13 ( +14 / -1 )

In my ward the vaccine start for 40-50 aged is 16 August!!!!!

I try to get a date on Tokyko Self Defence Center since 3 weeks, I try all day and night time = NOTHING!!!!

Before you give recommendations Koike make clear that your grandiose plan is possible!!!!

14 ( +15 / -1 )

I am getting my 2nd shot of Moderna 8/7. Thank (insert name of preferred deity here) my wife's company secured enough for every employee and all their family members. It saved me the eye-rollingly complicated application sequence (Seriously, I have an N1 certification and when I looked at the form, my eyes rolled so far back into my head they almost came out the bottom like a slot machine.) and the long wait for an open slot.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Accusing younger people is the very last thing that totally incompetent mismanagement senior brigades at power should ever think of.

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RawBeer

What medical qualifications do you have that enables you to make a comment like this? Are you a specialist?

7 ( +13 / -6 )

and I would like younger people to get vaccinated.

With what? They’ll be middle aged at this rate.

11 ( +14 / -3 )

8,000 new cases in the nation hit an all-time daily record today.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

saying their activities are key to slowing the surge during the Olympics.

First give them Olympics during pandemic and ask them to stay low about it. Good luck with that.

8 ( +9 / -1 )

Koike blaming the population again. The problem is not that young people do not want vaccines, but the government NEVER GIVEN young people the opportunity to get vaccines. When the young people can FINALLY take appointments mid-July for most wards, all of the vaccination appointments have been suspended, and with many wards remaining suspended INDEFINITELY!

For the wards that is reopening vaccination appointments on August, only a few thousand spots are available, which will be filled instantly with the website undoubtedly crashing. The fact is that the the government never intended or have any plans to vaccinate even 10% of the young population by end of this year. They have been purposely sabotaging the supply chain so that the localities are not supplied with the vaccines to vaccinate their young population. I would frankly bet 100M yen that less than 1/10 young people without some priority disease in Tokyo can get an appointment by December, the national government simply do not intend to supply that amount and is doing everything in their power to delay vaccinations to preserve market for domestic vaccines next year.

9 ( +11 / -2 )

How about I get a shot first?

51 years old with a pre-existing condition. Had my voucher for a month. Tried every single day to book a first shot. Can’t get one as still 75% of the people who have a voucher in my area still waiting for their first shot.

where are the vaccines going to come from for young people if those Iine first are still waiting?

13 ( +14 / -1 )

With what? They’ll be middle aged at this rate.

That got a LOL from me.

I was just out for a stroll (even now it's warm, but at least you can take a 15-20 minute walk without melting), and I passed by a bunch of what looked like college age students. Late teens to early 20s at a guess. They were perched on a railing at the side of the road and were taking pictures of each other. There were seven or eight of them. One was wearing a mask. They were huddling together looking at the back of the camera, shrieking and laughing, all but one of them without any form of protection whatsoever.

Ms. Koike might want to take a trip out of her ivory tower and see things like this before making completely unrealistic propositions.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

We might just do that if we can get an actual APPOINTMENT, rather than be on a waiting list. Other countries let you come in without a card or appointment.

This is how I got my vaccine in LA: Drove up to the vaccination site, which was comprised of a couple of tents under a freeway in Hawthorne. No appointment. There was nobody waiting, only 4-5 people who were working there. They took my ID, asked me which vaccine I wanted (all 3 were available), and then the lady just came, told me to sit down right there (no screens or anything) and jabbed me without saying so much as "get ready." Then I was told to sit on the side for 15 minutes. Then I collected my proof of vaccination and left. The only other people I saw were a couple homeless who also made their home under the bridge.

11 ( +14 / -3 )

I really want to curse Govt. politicians are a joke! They don’t know whats goin on. I’ve tried for 4weeks in a row to reserve vaccination at the SDF center all fail its not first come first serve. It’s like a lottery and filled in 5min for 2000 slots only unbelievable !! I can’t get through my kuyakcho for another two months. Dumb!

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I have a friend in a mental hospital at the moment, I was told that she will be unable to get the vaccine until at least end of September despite having multiple at-risk disease and in a very bad physical state.

No matter how much you request the vaccine, there's simply zero access to vaccine in Japan unless you are in a tier 1 Japanese company or live in a rich area like Minato.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Looks like this woman has run out of catch phrases and as a former or camouflaged LDP is resorting to urging

Meanwhile no amount of urging will make her keep to the promise she made more than 6 months ago

to perform 65K test a day.

11 ( +12 / -1 )

Meanwhile no amount of urging will make her keep to the promise she made more than 6 months ago

to perform 65K test a day.

She'll claim she misspoke and when asked how many tests there would be, she said, in English, "65, 'kay?"

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But there are also concerns over hesitancy among the young, with surveys showing many of them having doubts, in part due to fake rumors about side effects.

I think it's untrue, and blaming Japanese young on hesitancy is totally nonsense. For quite many younger or even middle-aged people have yet to receive a vax ticket for inoculation. Lucky ones get booked only to stay in a long queue. The government is to blame for the slow rollout.

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I'd like to know how she proposes that young people get vaccinated when (in my area at least) there hasn't been a single spot available in even one vaccination center, for the past two weeks.

Really depends upon where one lives! My eldest son, in his mid-20's was scheduled to get his vaccination through a local business association, but due to a lack of supply was not able to get it.

He called the municipal office in the area we live, on a Saturday AM, and got the 1st shot the next day, AND scheduled for the 2nd shot 3 weeks later.

It really depends upon where you live!

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Once again, need to find a scapegoat.

In my city, the over 50 just got the coupon and can start reservation from Friday. Impossible for the young unless they can use different channels ( company, university)

6 ( +7 / -1 )

3,177 new cases. Of those, 1,078 were in their 20s.

But let's ignore over 500 of today's cases are those over 50.

Why?

Well because wards like mine suspended vaccination booking 2 weeks ago due to shortages and only reopened on Monday and are not taking appointments for those under 40 at this time.

My wife will only get her first dose this week, my son in his 20s and with chronic medical issues cannot even make an appointment yet.

So Koike can say what ever sounds good but in reality in Tokyo it isn't that clear if those under 30 can even get vaccinated.

It is the same in many places, in Saitama my sister in law and mother in law haven't even gotten there vouchers yet from the city they live in and my mother in law is over 60.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

The Japanese government caused this problem along with the self serving bureaucrats.

They should all be replaced!

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Don't worry, Koike-san. I'm sure the young people will announce next week that they are considering the possibility of taking the vaccine.

Isn't that what you politicians always do with urgent matters?

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Yuriko, dear, it's all very well telling the young folks to get vaccinated, but how many have received their coupons? And those who do have it (it took long enough for me to get mine), how easy do you think it is to get a reservation?

These useless, selfish idiots should think before speaking, and stop blaming everyone one on the earth and the moon, and look in the mirror.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Numan

My second shot is coming very soon!

Mine is Saturday! I'm looking forward to it. Or, more accurately, looking forward to two weeks from Saturday when the immunity has fully kicked in.

Michael O’ Dereiter

Watch out for the side effects. Friend of mine, through work, got the second Moderna shot, and he said the next day he was like a zombie. Fever, aches and pains...of course that means the vaccine's working.

My wife had Pfizer. She's usually very sensitive to medications. But, her side effects, which occurred 24 hours after the 2nd shot, were pretty mild: slight fever, mild headache, a bit of fatigue. One Tylenol 500mg and a nap took care of it.

I'm probably going to take Tylenol, pre-emptively, before I feel any symptoms. And, I'm happy to use any excuse for a nap, vaccine or not.

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*But there are also concerns over hesitancy among the young, with surveys showing many of them having doubts, in part due to fake rumors about side effects.*

Completely reasonable. Young adults are able to think for themselves and decide if they want to take the vaccine. They can get their information from any source they like, just like you and me. More vaccinated people would help but we can't force it on them. That would be ridiculous.

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

GdTokyo delighted to hear you will soon get 2nd vaccination.

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Completely reasonable. Young adults are able to think for themselves and decide if they want to take the vaccine. They can get their information from any source they like, just like you and me.

Having doubts because of fake rumors is not reasonable, and get information from "any source" is not recommend either, sources that can be trusted, with people of recognized honesty and that can reference primary sources for their information would help reducing those fake rumors that increase unnecessary concerns and doubts.

-4 ( +7 / -11 )

The message needs to be displayed more widely within the community . . . e.g. such precautions should be displayed on electronic signage such as those seen at train stations and Shibuya Crossing . . . . website should be setup to direct people where they can receive free vaccinations . . . .

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Got my ticket mid-June, because of my age group I had to wait until today to book locally. Turned on the computer at 8:00am sharp and was really surprised that I could book easily. August 16th is my first shot of pfizer. Assuming it's really available.

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Tokyo governor urges young people to get vaccinated to slow virus surge

Buahahaha! That was a joke, right?

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Take care, people -- not only against Corona, but getting sick or injured in general... because no place is going to be able to take you in if even a FRACTION of these become serious cases. There is a good reason why the medical community has been chiding the government for its priorities.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

the stress will kill you before the virus

0 ( +8 / -8 )

This sounds like reverse psychology almost!

They didn't want the Olympics and now Koike is blaming young people for the situation so they're going to feel unfairly persecuted and pressured into getting something they never agreed to to make up for the international community's desires...

Way to make the Olympics even more unpopular!

4 ( +8 / -4 )

yep all the danged young people roaming around in wild packs after 8pm. didnt you see them? they are still roaming around right after the sun just went down, how dare they?

all we need is the old man shaking his fist at the sky meme.

Younger people have been blamed for roaming downtown areas after the requested closing hours

2 ( +9 / -7 )

3,177 ? Here it comes, everyone predicted it, now it's reality.

People here have been predicting doomsday for over a year, and have been flat out wrong. Now you want to take credit when deaths are still in the single digits for the entire nation?

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

It's a hassle but I recommend calling around clinics(many cities provided a list when they sent out the coupons) instead of waiting for an opening at a mass vaccination center. There are bookings available but you have to be willing to call a lot of clinics first. Unfortunately the system is still analog.

And get on a cancellation waiting list if you can, that's how I already got my first shot.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

I was finally able to book in my town from Monday and even though the site was overloaded all day I managed to get reservations for the 1st and 2nd shots in August and September, though with the big warning message supply is not guaranteed so it may all fall apart again. My coworkers the next city over are still waiting for their vouchers but they should arrive in August. Here is to hoping we can get something.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Don't worry, Koike-san. I'm sure the young people will announce next week that they are considering the possibility of taking the vaccine.

This would be a great way to troll the government, both national and Tokyo's.

Have a large group of youngsters draw up a letter and all sign it.

"Dear Governess Koike and Prime Minister Suga

Regarding your message to the young people of Japan to get the vaccination, we have convened to elect a committee to investigate this. We are currently in the process of electing the head of the committee, after which we will have one election a week until everyone has an important-sounding title. At this juncture we will accept ideas from members of the committee, in order of seniority, and we will reflect deeply upon their ideas. Once we've done that, we will, assuming we can remember what we were originally doing all this for, agree to your proposal and request our vouchers, which we assume you have all lined up and ready for us. Yours sincerely..."

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Here's something to think about.

The vaccination program is organised into age groups.

Example: 20-39, 40-59, 16-19, etc.

Imagine that we have someone who is 39 right now.

Due to bureaucratic incompetence, he can't book a shot. In the meantime, he turns 40.

Oops! The window for 40-59 has closed and won't be open for another two months.

Then when he gets to reserving it, there's a mass panic because he received his voucher when he was in one age group and is applying in another. Anyone believing that a system as rigid as Japan's could handle something like this is nearly as delusional as Koike herself.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

People here have been predicting doomsday for over a year, and have been flat out wrong. Now you want to take credit when deaths are still in the single digits for the entire nation?

No, they switched to "long-covid" which is much more difficult to diagnose or define but you better believe most people will get it.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

Due to bureaucratic incompetence, he can't book a shot. In the meantime, he turns 40.

Oops! The window for 40-59 has closed and won't be open for another two months.

I don't believe that's how it works at all. As long you have the voucher, you can book. It doesn't even need to be your own municipality or prefecture.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

I don't believe that's how it works at all. As long you have the voucher, you can book. It doesn't even need to be your own municipality or prefecture.

Fair enough, in that case I stand corrected.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

Following on from that, though, when I log on using my personal number, I'm automatically directed to a list of the vaccination centers in my ward. I can't see anything referring to any other wards.

Maybe you're referring to individual clinics as opposed to mass centers?

1 ( +4 / -3 )

I can't see anything referring to any other wards.

You probably need to call the places directly. That's what a friend of my did, and they used their Tokyo coupon in a prefecture in Kyushu.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

I don't understand. I thought they were running low on supply. This is very confusing.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

Koike is either a fool or a knave.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

The numbers don't add up. How can 25.5% of a 126 million population be vaccinated, but 36 million elderly people?

7 ( +7 / -0 )

Koike is urging young people to get the vaccine, but they have no idea what they are getting into.

One thing that Robert Malone (“a vaccine specialist and advocate, as well as the original inventor of the mRNA vaccine (and DNA vaccine) core platform technology”) wrote:

“These mRNA and recombinant adenovirus vaccine products remain experimental at this time.”

That is no problem, the vaccines remain much much safer than the natural infection, that is why Malone reputation as a scientists is suffering a lot, not only he fails to present data that support his mistaken opinions, he doesn't even discuss the data that proves him wrong, desperately avoiding even mentioning all the different studies that prove his "worries" are irrelevant and not worth even being discussed.

No suppression of discussion, just of baseless accusations that should be discarded as such, the people being vaccinated are neither being experimented upon, that is also a completely false argument, people are being treated with the vaccines, (and the Pfizer data? how come people so desperately try to hide it is product of completely unnatural inoculations impossible to do on humans precisely to show effects on mice of huge overdosing?) The only thing worse than that is anonymous accusations without any proof, that we are supposed to believe, even when they completely contradict clear evidence from all around the world.

There is nothing wrong with discarding such bad excuses of actual evidence, the simple fact he can't publish a proper scientific report to prove what he believe (even when the evidence is supposedly plenty) indicates the terribly bad quality of the arguments.

-3 ( +7 / -10 )

Tokyo governor urges young people to get vaccinated to slow virus surge

Oh, you don't SAY!?

(proceeds to get unavailable shot)

6 ( +7 / -1 )

Tokyo governor urges young people to get vaccinated 

Uhhhhh, middle aged working class tax payers can't even get an appointment to get one vaccine shot.

How the hell are young people supposed to get vaccinated, even if they wanted to?

Tell us, Koiks.........

Tell us this magic plan you have that no one else knows.

Someone please get rid of this clown.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

I am personally lucky to be among young people who will be fully inoculated soon. However, I must say that bottleneck called “inoculation coupons” is the thing that is slowing down everything. It is not that everyone will go to the same route like Hokkaido grandpa who received 4 shots. Tokyo is still fine compared to another prefectures. For example I know that friends from Yokohama still didn’t receive coupons. Other friends from Ibaraki told me that their prefectural government still haven’t decided when they will send coupons to younger than 39. Speaking of younger people my city in Tokyo gave priority to 12-39 while 40+ had lower priority which I found interesting. As a conclusion, just FFS let the people be vaccinated without any bureaucratic BS and younger people will be vaccinated in no time. US did a great job in that regard.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Maybe Koike and Suga should have spent less time saying Tokyo was safe. They said it was safe for the Olympics to be held, and this was evidently interpreted by many to mean Tokyo was safe, safe for residents of Tokyo. If it is safe for them, it must be safe for us. That was the wrong message to send out.

Cancelling the Olympics would have sent out a very strong message that there was danger, but Koike and Suga did not want to do that. It is too late to do that now. As infections rise, it becomes clearer and clearer that Tokyo was not safe.

Suga and Koike should admit they were wrong, but they won't.

10 ( +12 / -2 )

Fauci just announced that the viral load in the nasal pharynx of a vaccinated person infected with Delta is "exactly the same" as in an unvaccinated person who is infected.

So we should not expect vaccination to have any effect on cases. In fact, if all the vaccine does is reduce symptoms, we might expect the infections to rise with widespread vaccination (an unvaccinated person is more likely to feel sick and self isolate when infected).

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Tokyo governor urges young people to get vaccinated to slow virus surge

Yeah, as usual blame the plebs, eh?

2 major routines here:

a) the plebs got it wrong, also know as the 誤解を招く(gokai wo maneku) routine

b) the plebs don't get it, also known as the 理解を得る (rikai wo eru) routine

What about Koike, Suga and the government admitting for a change, that (as usual) they effed up massively and that it is:

a) the plebs who helped to manage it on their own for so long, despite a staggering level of incompetence at the higher echelons

b) the plebs who (as usual) are going to take the hit while the brass is running scared searching for excuses / scapegoats

One can only dream at the idea of the next election tossing this rabble into the trashcans of history.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Tokyo Gov Yuriko Koike on Wednesday urged younger people to cooperate with measures to bring down the high number of infections and get vaccinated, saying their activities are key to slowing the surge during the Olympics.

And common sense urges to do the exact opposite.

The more they try, the more ridiculous they sound.

They decided to host the Olympics. 80% of Japan were either against it or obvious to the event.

And now we get more advice from an irresponsible and irrelevant government shill.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Fauci just announced that the viral load in the nasal pharynx of a vaccinated person infected with Delta is "exactly the same" as in an unvaccinated person who is infected.

Another fraud that clearly reveals how hopefully dysfunctional the whole Covid management has been.

And his only remaining sliver of hope is to try and convince a swindled public that the unvaccinated are responsible for getting the vaccinated ill with Covid. Wait until more realize that last the opposite is closer to the truth.

This would be comedic if there wasn’t so much criminal negligence behind these government tools.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

And common sense urges to do the exact opposite.

In the least, to choose the least risky option is much more congruent with common sense, and since infection has a much higher risk of complications and death (even in younger people) following measures to interrupt the spreading and vaccinating would be the actual common sense.

Fauci just announced that the viral load in the nasal pharynx of a vaccinated person infected with Delta is "exactly the same" as in an unvaccinated person who is infected.

So we should not expect vaccination to have any effect on cases. 

Another fraud that clearly reveals how hopefully dysfunctional the whole Covid management has been.

This is the kind of invalid "conclusions" that mark the misinformation, trying to deceive people into thinking one piece of information have more importance than what it actually have. And then of course exaggerating from this invalid point into full blown imaginary scenarios and pretend they are supported by science.

A viral load is an evaluation on a single point in time, evaluating this single point is not enough to make conclussions on the whole period were virus shedding is possible.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Fauci just announced that the viral load in the nasal pharynx of a vaccinated person infected with Delta is "exactly the same" as in an unvaccinated person who is infected.

A viral load is an evaluation on a single point in time, evaluating this single point is not enough to make conclussions on the whole period were virus shedding is possible.

Are you suggesting they chose the wrong time point? They have constantly been trying to generate data to show off the benefits of vaccination, but you believe they chose only one time point and it happens to be the wrong one!

They claim the vaccines reduce symptoms, and we now know that vaccination does not reduce the amount of Delta variant in the nasopharynx region (i.e., has no effect on transmissibility).

So if anything, vaccination will only increase the spread of the Delta variant. So when infected with the Delta variant, an unvaccinated person is more likely to feel sick and self isolate. A vaccinated person is more likely to feel fine and go give grandma a hug!

If one wants to dine out, the worst place to go is a place that only accepts vaccinated people...

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Are you suggesting they chose the wrong time point?

No I am telling you that the data includes one time point and your conclusion depends on much more information that is not reported, which means it is your conclusion the one that is faulty and not sustained by the data you present.

and we now know that vaccination does not reduce the amount of Delta variant in the nasopharynx region (i.e., has no effect on transmissibility).

No, that is again your faulty conclusion, we know delta can peak at the same levels but that is not the same that not having any effect on transmissibility, for that you need much more data that is not included, what if vaccinated people keep that peak for half a day while unvaccinated people do it for a week? The peak would be the same but transmission would still be completely different.

You don't have the data that is required to validly defend your conclusion, that means you are misrepresenting the results and exaggerating their importance. That is where the misinformation part comes. It is like saying the hottest day on two years was the same temperature, so you conclude both years had the same weather.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

No, that is again your faulty conclusion, we know delta can peak at the same levels but that is not the same that not having any effect on transmissibility, for that you need much more data that is not included, what if vaccinated people keep that peak for half a day while unvaccinated people do it for a week?

Riiight....

And those checking the viral loads didn't notice that?

Again, these people are always looking for any data or angle that will make their vaccines look good, and they couldn't. They concluded, as Fauci announced, that the amount of virus in the nasopharynx "is exactly the same" whether you vaccinated or not vaccinated.

The amount of virus in the nasopharynx is what determines the transmissibility.

So the only reason to get the vaccine is to reduce symptoms, not to reduce transmissibility or to decrease cases or .....

0 ( +1 / -1 )

And those checking the viral loads didn't notice that?

Why would they do it? they wanted to check the virus titers, you are the one over generalizing into an invalid conclussion that the people measuring the titers never did. To be more clear, people that know what can be said with specific evidence are not the ones making the mistake of making wrong conclussion, you are.

It may surprise you a lot since you are used to defend people that consider valid to lie, fabricate and manipulate data to deceive others into thinking what they want to be true, but science is about reporting reality.

Transmissibility is a population metric that depends on many different things, viral titers at a single point in time are just one of those, which still means you are wrong by assuming information that you don't have. What if vaccinated people reach that peak titer in much longer time? or for shorter periods? or in smaller percentage of the people exposed? or if the biological titers of those viruses is different? There are endless parameters that you don't have that affect transmissibility.

That is why the professionals are not sharing your conclusions, because they know they are not justified, sorry but trying to say you know better than them is not an argument either.

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The LDP has created a vile spawn of politicians and bureaucrats and a fake news media. You find out just how inept, dishonest, self-serving and stupid they are when there is a crisis. Well, they outdid themselves this time. They bullied in the Olympics in the middle of a plague.

And here is Kono with his pretty mask tut-tut-ing young people for being "uneducated" about getting the necessary shots that are impossible to be had.

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As long as they urge and do not pressure people it’s ok. Individual freedoms are important. We must nit allow the authorities to dictate what we do with our bodies, it’s a slippery slope.

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Directly from Fauci himself. So it's not "misinformation" from "wild conspiracy sites".

Yes, it is misinformation from the point an invalid conclusion is made and people lie about this conclusion coming from someone that actually never said such a thing.

This strategy (using one piece of true information to make false conclusions) has no room in "intelligent discussion" because it brings nothing to value.

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Where is the proof that these vaccines are safe for children?

The vaccines have been released for ‘emergency use’-there is no emergency among young people.

What science and what studies is Koike using to assert her request?

Being concerned with the rise of people with the virus vs the actual number of sick people are two different issues.

Far better for the elderly to receive vaccines than focusing on the young.

From the UK Telegraph:

Despite high rates of infection in recent weeks, research from King’s College London has shown most children who catch Covid do not develop symptoms, while those that do usually recover within a week. Report author Prof Emma Duncan described the findings as “reassuring” – with fewer than 2% of children continuing to suffer symptoms beyond eight weeks.

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