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Tokyo gov't agrees to take 1,000 tons of debris from city in Iwate

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The Tokyo metropolitan government has agreed to take 1,000 tons of debris next month from disaster-stricken Iwate Prefecture’s Miyako City.

According to a report on NTV, Tokyo will sign a formal cooperation agreement with Iwate Prefecture later Friday. Officials are calling for Tokyo waste disposal companies to help dispose of the mostly wood and metal debris to be picked up in October.

Officials with knowledge of the agreement say the debris will be measured for radiation on-site before being transported by rail to Tokyo, where it will be tested a second time, NTV said. The Tokyo government says that all test results will be fully disclosed to the public.

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....and if they junk registers radiation? No mention of what they will do then. Leave it?

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Officials with knowledge of the agreement say the debris will be measured for radiation on-site before being transported by rail to Tokyo, where it will be tested a second time, NTV said.

50% of radiation will be lost in transit from Miyako to Tokyo...and balance data adjustment...test result 'safe' will be fully disclosed to the public.

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50% of radiation will be lost in transit from Miyako to Tokyo

Really? How does that happen?

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Geewiz, someone is really mixed this up with a concept of Distribution of Wealth.

You need to CONTAIN criminal, poison and radiation for no harm. Crazy!!

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Why ?

What is the point of transporting radioactive waste to Tokyo the most POPULOUS city in Japan?

Tokyo, the city in Japan with the most number of foreign residents.

And what will happen to the waste in Tokyo?

Will it be kept in front of Shinjuku station , a monument to nuclear folly?

Will it form part of a 21st century sculpture to educate the people of Tokyo on new radioactive art forms?

NO!

It will be INCINERATED and the resulting plumes of radioactive ash will contaminate the air,soil and water again and AGAIN!

Lest we forget , burning will concentrate the radioactivity ,the resulting ash will be extremely TOXIC!

Extremely toxic ash floating around a major city of 12,000,000 people!!!!!!!!

The ash will float to the ground again and be burned again,where it will float up and be deposited back down and again ad nauseum, until Tokyo suffers a major decrease in population (there won't be anyone around to do the incineration anymore!)

Maybe the radioactive contamination will reach Kyushu and Okinawa this time? Soon Japan will be the most radioactively contaminated country in the world! I feel sick already!

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kurisupisu actually I heard recently that Osaka has the most foreign residents in Japan.

Back on topic, the debris contains no radiation as it is from Iwate so I dont know what you guys are complaining. The sooner they get the debris out of there the sooner they can start rebuilding. Show a little compassion ffs.

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Look at a map! Miyako is just about next to Aomori, - further from Fukushima than Tokyo. Things like car wreckage have potential for recycling. Concrete which is a huge component of the debris may also have potential for recycling.

There is no possible way that they can rebuild with so much junk still there - the piles are phenomenally large.

Radiated waste is a different matter, and there is no justification whatsover for spreading radioactivity. It makes sense to ship it to the area close to Daiichi and rope it off for the foreseeable future.

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I tend to agree with kurisupisu I have visited and like Iwate very much, but this does not make sense. So the largest prefecture in Honshu, which is very rural (population of 1.3mil), is going to ship its garbage to the largest populated city on the planet.

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I suppose Tokyo disposal and recycling centres can handle the volume better than the countryside incinerators. Not sure transporting all this waste is worth the effort. Why not expand the facilities up there in Tohoku - seems like it could create a few jobs in the process.

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If we can believe the goverment always told the truth about the tragedy in Fukushima, in relation to the damage and radioactive contaminants of the nuclear reactors, then there is nothing to worry about them being honest in relation to the rubbish from Iwate.,???

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Iwate is miles and miles away from Fukushima, yet predictably everyone is throwing a hissy fit thinking it's radioactive waste of something. Trying looking at a map.

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@Papigiulio if one were to include all non-native Japanese ie people born in Japan but not Japanese it might well be , as Tokyo has the most diverse number of foreigners not born in Japan then from an international standpoint it has to be Tokyo.

Also, how is it that the sewage farms in Tokyo,Saitama and Chiba are finding radioactive substances in their sewage sludge?

Distance from a Fukushima will have an effect on radioactive concentrations but wind direction will have the effect of spreading radioactivity.

How do we know that the material from Iwate is not contaminated?

If could be and burning it in the environs of Tokyo would be madness!

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How do we know that the material from Iwate is not contaminated?

That's a very good question. So instead of trying to find out the answer you start spreading fear and make ridiculous unfounded statements. You could try and do some research before posting. It may help you.

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We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And comments on JT.

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Koji: "Taro why is this machine screaming like a cat everytime i point it at the wood?" Taro: "Gee don't know Koji it could be the batteries. Just load the wood on the train and we'll ask the boss when we get back to Tokyo".

Who was the bright spark who made this ridiculous decision? Don't they believe in containment?

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I was in Iwate prefecture earlier this month. Out of interest, I calculated it: it is 170km from the Fukushima plants to central Tokyo; it is another 165km beyond that to Kamaishi-shi, where I was. Recalling from the map, Miyako is even further north (~60km from Kamaishi), it's clearly further away.

I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind the comments on radiation.

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Burning extra waste in Tokyo will create more air pollution in Tokyo regardless whether that pollution is radioactive or not. It would be better to build a facility in Iwate to deal with it. The problem will not go away soon.S Somebody is getting kickbacks from the government on this one.

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Burying of radioactive household waste challenging

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/26_03.html

Radioactive ash is a big problem it seems in Tokyo already.

Facilites to store contaminated soil to be built

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/29_05.html

Excerpt: The environment ministry says it will build facilities to temporarily store radioactive contaminated soil in Tokyo and 7 prefectures in eastern and northern Japan.

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High cesium levels detected as far away as Gunma Prefecture

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ2011092812395

Excerpt: Radioactive cesium from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant has spread more than 250 kilometers toward the southwest, reaching as far as Gunma Prefecture, the science ministry said.

There is a Diagram on the page

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It is a great idea to burn all this trash in Tokyo. Tokyo has all the facilities. They should accept even more in the future. this country needs to be cleaned up and the faster, the better.

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I tell you this is an end of tourism industry of Japan that has been sluggish since 3/11.

After spreading all these radioactive materials on all over Japan, who would come to Japan? Average tourists spend at least $4000 in Japan while they stay. Many will go to Hawaii or elsewhere if this is done. Is this what Japan wants to do? Japan needs to contain the radioactive materials as much as they can FIRST. This is a very short sighted strategy in my opinion. Please think about this twice SERIOUSLY.

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Officials with knowledge of the agreement say the debris will be measured for radiation on-site before being transported by rail to Tokyo, where it will be tested a second time, NTV said. The Tokyo government says that all test results will be fully disclosed to the public.

they are going to do tests at least for the safety of the workers because you never know where a Hotspot might turn up.

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1,000 tons of debris from city in Iwate

zichiSep. 30, 2011 - 10:56AM JST

Can they burn it instead?

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Boo to JT for cherrypicking news likely to cause alarm! 1,000 tonnes is super small, and no mention of radioactivity. Editors know waste disposal is a hot topic and have thrown this in there because the article is short and no doubt cheap.

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According to the Tokyo government , Iwate prefecture tested the debris' burned ashes and found only 133 Becquerel /kg of radioactive substances, which is much less than the government standard of 8000 Bq/kg .

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Nicky WashidaSep. 30, 2011 - 07:38AM JST

50% of radiation will be lost in transit from Miyako to Tokyo

Really? How does that happen?

It's a lie, a lie that only govt can tell.

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Something sounds odd with this idea.

Metal does not burn. it melts. Wood burns.

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The Radiation Did not stay in Fukushima and the Diagram of the article I posted concerning the spread shows that radiation did indeed spread to other prefectures.

It's good that the debris is going to be tested for radiation before it loaded onto the rail.

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I understand and to some extent agree with zichi's concern about people/companies making money out of the disaster. Making huge profits at the expense of people who are suffering is reprehensible.

But surely it's by allowing people/companies to make a reasonable amount of money from the recovery that will actually allow the recovery to take place? And if the people making money then go out and spend it, that will help oil the economy and thus help us all....won't it?

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zichi, I can't disagree with you on that; but the local economy doesn't exist in a vacuum. If the lure of contracts brings in money/expertise from outside, it's surely a help. And while those actually in the disaster area were the worst hit, many many people outside also suffered financially; I know my own income dipped severely immediately after 3/11, and I'm not in an area that suffered directly form either the earthquake of the tsunami. Many others suffered much more.

Getting things moving again must be the priority.

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@cleo

All the contracts are going to Tokyo companies with cosy relationships with the government (and possibly ties with the Yakuza).

I can tell you personally that this kind of collusion is not a myth, I have heard some stories (from a very trustable source and personal experience) about how businesses dealing with government-related entities have to provide gifts to get contracts (for example, hiring retirees from these entities). Many (most?) public contracts are not given on a competitive basis but to "friendly companies".

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All readers back on topic please. The subject is Tokyo agreeing to take 1,000 tons of debris from Iwate.

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Yes, we can be sure that it is a huge money spinner.

However,

since March several typhoons have spread contamination throughout Japan. If the west coast of the US can receive radiation enough to cause concern then I am sure that Iwate has and is likely to show the same elevated levels now or in the future. And we should also remember that the radioactivity from Fukushimas has and is continuing to circle our planet. - Be sure that it has many times!

The emissions are still ongoing and are not contained.

Burning will concentrate whatever radiation there is until there is a sludge of radioactive ashes left. This will be highly toxic

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@Zichi - of course , the radioactive air concentrations in Iwate will be less-that is what you are seeing measured. In Kansai the reading is 0.13 outside and 0.11 inside. The disparity is the number of particles moving around in the air.

What I am interested in is the ground level contamination in Iwate

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Heads up mates, Japan Times is reporting that Tokyo will take 500,000 tons. //search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110930a2.html

This is a bl--dy large sop from somebody to somebody. Anybody else smell organised crime in this scheme? Can you imagine London or New York or the largest metropolis of any other nation in the world offering to take somebody else's garbage? Doesn't Tokyo have enough pollution as it is? It's not just a question of radiation. That debris will bring heavy metals and dioxin, all sorts of nasties. They'll dump it in the bay, most likely. After they fill the children's lungs with smoke from incinerators.

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Why does it need to be moved? Isn't Iwate bigger than Tokyo and has more places to keep this stuff? Perhaps Tokyo wants a few more islands?

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Millions of tonnes of debris and hundreds of tousands of tonnes to be burned in Tokyo.

At this rate the environment will be so polluted that nobody will want to live in Tokyo

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Zichi you find a lot of good information. How are you so attuned to this? Do you work for Ozawa? just teasing

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Insane. Iwate has plenty of space to store this stuff as they deal with it themselves, over time, which we have, because this is not a priority. Using the time,workers and money to do this is certainly less stupid than to try to decontaminate the hottest hot spots but still...

Seems to me some people are looking to profit off the disaster but with no intent to actually help in the process.

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Reading some of these posts is like witnessing spontaneous combustion, and not just on this particular thread. Typically, the poster ostensibly comments on the article in question, which is very quickly replaced by baseless supposition, into which the short fuse of indignant outrage is placed.......BOOM!

Some people seem to revel in a sense of crisis, and if it's not there they have to manufacture it.

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@Zichi -thanks for all the postings

One thing that mystifies me is why the Japanese government wants its waste to go around Japan?

This will push up the cancer rates of all people in Japan, in the end!

Cannot understand this maniac idea to dispose of waste so quickly without proper planning and safeguards...................

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@Hatsoff. When the media is now reporting the discovery of Pu at distances of 45km away from Dai-Ichi --Who knows how far it HAS gone--, it's understandable and any amount of dismissive 'playing it cool' will NOT relay any true and real fears, dear. The fears are tangible. Your under play, pretty laughable.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20110930/t10015963921000.html

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@Zichi: Independent observers have detected Pu outside of the plant before this new release by MEXT.

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Ah, Yong Yang, mentioned in dispatches in another thread. No, mate, not underplaying EVERYTHING. And not overplaying EVERYTHING either. Just getting things in perspective. But then again, you've always tended to see things in black and white only.

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@Zichi. I would argue that the explosion at Reactor 3 was NOT a / or only a hydrogen explosion. From the outset I have argued that it was in fact a powerful exothermic one, the red flash at the time confirmed that, this widening dispersion of Pu underlines it.

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I have this fantasy of the waste being deposited in Ishihara Shintaro's office as a return gesture for all the debris that has spouted out of his mouth over the years.

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YongYang

I would argue that the explosion at Reactor 3 was NOT a / or only a hydrogen explosion. From the outset I have argued that it was in fact a powerful exothermic one, the red flash at the time confirmed that, this widening dispersion of Pu underlines it.

That's pretty funny! I want you to show me examples of explosions that AREN'T exothermic! Pretty much by definition massive amounts of exploding hydrogen is ridiculously exothermic. I think you need to reference the definition of exothermic!

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That's what other non Toho Japanese citizens are for ? It is their obligations to share a region in need ! Indeed it is a waste of time to stage a 'show' by drafting a formal 'cooperation agreement' ...Are we supposed to share the glory & the misery of other people ( especially they are Japanese ) under the same roof ? Better off for the 'disaster refugees' from the Toho region to seek immigration in other countries !

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