Tokyo reports 339 more virus cases; 1,152 nationwide

Yet again, it means very little if you don’t also report the total number of tests conducted.

Yesterday’s number of 186 looked ‘positive’ at first glance, until the number of tests actually revealed the positive rate was around 15%.

Always a similar number. They just stop the count where they feel like it. No pattern whatsoever.

Its because these are Monday's test results. The first day back from Obon. Yesterdays were from Sunday.

compares with 186 reported on Wednesday and 207 on Tuesday.

No it doesn't. Those numbers are from tests conducted during the Obon holidays.

According to the Mainichi:

The number of new infections in a day tends to fall during the first half of the week, and rise during the latter half. The Tokyo Metropolitan Government announces tallies based on reports submitted by medical institutions when they confirm infection cases, and it takes about three days from the time tests are conducted to when new cases are announced. Therefore, figures remain low in the first half of the week as cases from the weekend, during which hospitals are generally closed and few tests are conducted, are tallied during this period. On the contrary, figures announced later in the week include infections confirmed after those who stayed put at home during the weekend visited hospitals earlier in the week. Hence, a gap is seen among figures throughout the week.*

*It takes one to two days to obtain results from the virus-detecting polymerase chain reaction tests. A time lag occurs as medical institutions **then create reports on new infections and fax them to public health centers in the capital**, and the metropolitan government compiles the data sent in by each public health center.*

These are likely Monday's results.

I am loosing interest in the numbers....

For me personally, it makes no difference if the numbers are 30 or 300 or 300.000

My life has to go on.

I live my life, go to work, do my best personal prevention and wait for the vaccine!

Jjust wait until all the schools go back. Then the numbers will begin to rise.

According to: https://ncov2019.live/

Japan's numbers for today include 57,550 cases, 1, 128 deceased, and 43, 835 recovered.

This is quite a bit more helpful than a daily tally.

It literally means nothing.

Either PCR or serologic tests are not to be used for diagnostic.

So-called "cases", are not sick and/or infectious persons, there are just "positive" to the tests for God knows what ?

The only number which could mean anything would be the number of deaths. And know even with they crooked figures we know the overall number of deaths since the beginning of the year is less than last year.

These simple facts is never explained and or discussed by the self-proclaimed experts and journalists, and corrupt politicians.

By the way, if you continue testing, you will get more positive, but if no one dies of this year flu then the survivability rate, which is now around 99.68 % and will continue to increase.

So stop living in fear that is there only to control you !

I see the media is still 一喜一憂ing over the daily fluctuations.

Robert Cuny, death figures from the spike will be seen from August. If you average 2 months from a positive.

Japan's cases started spiking in June. So you cannot compare the mortality rate until this month is over. People do not die immediately from a positive test.

Below is what I wrote in the thread "Osaka tops Tokyo as Japan reports 1,070 more coronavirus infections" and I was downvoted.

The number of test listed on the Tokyo gov't page is even lower 1013 test.

The results for tomorrow Aug 20th will be for the 5456 test taken on Monday 17th, we will see whether

it is trending downwards like some are fast to conclude, forgetting that the larger the number of test the

more positives. It is naive to think it is trending downwards in the absence of a containment plan.

Im juat here for the editors notes.

I wonder how much tax payer money all these media organizations get from Tokyo when they report on this.

I am loosing interest in the numbers....

Please don’t. Ganbare Monty! Keep up the fight!

Your posts on this subject bring us a new and interesting perspective every day.

“Tokyo reports 339 more virus cases”

And?

Monty

I am loosing interest in the numbers....

For me personally, it makes no difference if the numbers are 30 or 300 or 300.000

My life has to go on.

I live my life, go to work, do my best personal prevention and wait for the vaccine!

Yeah, I understand why you loosing interest after what you wrote yesterday in the thread

"Osaka tops Tokyo as Japan reports 1,070 more coronavirus infections" see below

Monty

OHO...OHO...OHO...

Not bad for a Wednesday!

Not bad for 3 weeks after the “Go to Travel” Campaign starts.

Where are all the apocalyptical numbers that the people here predict after July 23rd ,when the “Go to travel” Campaign starts?

Japan, thank you very much to you and your citizens for doing a very very good job to keep the Virus under control by doing the best prevention during the daily life.

Thanks again and I feel very very safe to live in Japan.

Cases don't worry me, as long as the deaths remain low.

There are apparently about 200 less active cases now than one week ago.

Nope

“It is too hot to wear a mask in 40 degrees celsius Tokyo heat island.”

Hear hear. Those who keep their face nappies on in this heat are nuts

Patricia yarrow

According to: https://ncov2019.live/

Japan's numbers for today include 57,550 cases, 1, 128 deceased, and 43, 835 recovered.

This is quite a bit more helpful than a daily tally.

The daily tally is very important because it helps reveal the spread of the virus

and help the government formulate policy regarding balancing the economy

and containing the virus. Without massive testing containment is impossible.

I am considerate enough to give a nod to Japanese culture on occasion by donning a face nappy on the train etc.

But as they themselves admit, their face nappy wearing is all about not being the one who stands out.

Those who choose not to wear them at all? Good for them, freedom of choice.

@Dr.lucifer

Yes, the numbers of cases are too low to continue posting the same things again and again.

What are 339 new cases among a population of 14.000.000...

What are 1500 new cases among a population of 120.000.000...

Like I said above, my life has to go on.

I do my best personal prevention, live my life and wait for the vaccine.

And continue to enjoy all the fear mongering, uncountable cases predicting posts of some people here, which we are all waiting since 8 months and, thanks to the good prevention of Japan, are not coming.

Hopefully the economy will open up more next month,

Doing my best taking advantage of the go to campaign, but more people have to go spend money,

I wear a face nappy when I absolutely must. But I’m fully understanding of those who choose not to wear them, in the absence of conclusive scientific research.

Monty, I hope you don't work in the sciences

It’s best just to ignore him.

Well if you want to ignore him you should just ignore him lol.

But I myself hope Monty won't lose interest posting here, he more than balances the doom and gloom of the hysterics and he makes a lot more sense than them

Agreed

Hahaha what are you doing here then?

And what were you doing lurking here on the same topic day after day without fail?

Monty himself probably isn't here everyday =)

For those who keep mentioning, 

lack of testing, massive testing needed...

Do people get turned away from getting tasted? 

Are you expecting japan to perform random test like China?

Is japan not performing contact tracing?

I don’t see the importance of testing number. No need to test random people. Contact tracing is important.

I’m sure necessary people are getting tested. Japan is doing fine as long as death rate remain stable.

8/19: 865 cases and 13 deaths

8/18: 1,018 cases and 16 deaths

8/17: 953 cases and 11 deaths

8/16: 1,137 cases and 3 deaths

8/15: 1,360 cases and 12 deaths

8/14: 1,070 cases and 10 deaths

8/13: 937 cases and 4 deaths

So tell me there Monty ol boi why haven't they got a vaccine for MERS and SARS yet what makes you think they are going to come up with this...

There are dozens and dozens of perfectly good vaccines for SARS and MERS, safe and effective according to preclinical trials. It simply makes no economic sense (nor is ethically permissible) to do the clinical trial step just to put in the market a vaccine against a disease with no cases per year (for SARS) or one that is easily controlled because of very poor human-to-human transmission (for MERS).

Since patients recovered from SARS have very strong neutralizing immune responses many years after being infected, and since animal studies have given good results it is perfectly normal to think a vaccine is possible.

There was no vaccine for SARS and MERS because nobody needs it.

Developing a drug costs a pharmaceutical company a few 100 million dollar. In the end, you want and have to sell it and that would be the case with SARS and MERS

Here is what India is planning to use to combat the virus, 

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/pharmaceuticals/dr-reddys-laboratories-launches-covid-19-treatment-drug-in-india/articleshow/77630296.cms

Economy is important as well.

too many people have lost their job,

too many businesses are closing.

people with underlying health issues should stay home.

All healthy people need to continue with their life.

WEAR MASK!

anyone against mask is simply stubborn, selfish, irresponsible, no common sense!

300 or 100 million, I don't care anymore. The only number that matters is the number of deaths. And since it's extremely low in Japan I will continue to go maskless wherever I want in spite of the anger and hate that comes from the mask police. Japanese laws cannot force you to wear one, native Japanese people aren't as judgemental or confrontational as their western counterparts thus no masks for me

people with underlying health issues should stay home.

All healthy people need to continue with their life.

That does not work for a disease that can be transmitted by people that apparently have perfect health. The only practical way to protect vulnerable people is to interrupt as much as possible the spreading between "healthy people", else every time people with health issues have to go to the hospital, get something delivered, receive necessary help from someone, etc. they are at risk of becoming seriously sick.

Also, unless you have a huge lot of empty beds in the hospitals eventually even the small percentage of "healthy people" that complicate is enough to fill them and every person that cannot get into that occupied space (including people not infected by COVID-19) automatically becomes vulnerable.

@Ashley Shiba

Sure, unlike others I'm not terrified of dying, not even about getting long term horrible sequels, there are clinics in Belgium and Switzerland that can fix that.

@El Rata

Sure, unlike others I'm not terrified of dying, not even about getting long term horrible sequels, there are clinics in Belgium and Switzerland that can fix that.

thats why you are being selfish.

its not about you.

Its about others.

@SPRING

Selfish? I'm not the one trying to force others to do something they don't want, just so a random person on the street feels safe.

There are dozens and dozens of perfectly good vaccines for SARS and MERS, safe and effective according to preclinical trials.

Yeah, and many of the initial SARS vaccines seemed to work well when tested in animals. But when the immunized animals were exposed to the virus, they had severe reactions and died. That test (intentional infection) cannot be done on humans, and is something that we will learn about long after many have already received the vaccine.

Since patients recovered from SARS have very strong neutralizing immune responses many years after being infected

Becoming infected with the actual virus is indeed an effective way to achieve long term immunity. At least 17 years for SARS....

The latest figures indicate that Covid19 is comparable to the flu on terms of death rate. The fuss that authorities are making over this is not for our health.

I wear a face nappy when I absolutely must.

“face nappy”???

I think that says more about the nature of what is emitted from the speaker’s mouth than anything else!!!

the new corona virus is so deadly that it killed less than2% of infected persons who are mostly frail, with underlying conditions, of advanced age. I'm shivering in fear especially when 90% of infected don't even have any symptoms, not even a runny nose .yikes so deadly

Common measles killed around 2.5M every year until a vaccine came yet we never heard of measles pandemic. Even with the present age, people are dying from TB, around 1.5M people a year even with vaccines yet people are not really hiding.

When a person yells "fire" in the theater, he will be arrested for causing panic if there is no real fire. When a corona virus is causing 90% people infected showing no symptoms, 98% recovers, and only 1 -2 % having complications and the "media" starts saying the virus is the deadliest ever known and that we should all lockdown, sacrifice the economy, ruin companies, destroys children's education, caused panic and hysteria, severe mental health depression, destroys the very fabric of our society I think this is the height of irresponsibility.

Again, if you are afraid, go hide, shut your doors, live in isolated islands or similar, We like to have a sense of life. We have enough of your panic.

New corona Virus deadly? get real. Try ebola and marburg. Then you will know what a real deadly virus looks like.

thus no masks for me

No one to protect, no need for masks, I guess you deserve it.

New corona Virus deadly? get real. Try ebola and marburg. Then you will know what a real deadly virus looks like.

I did a quick search for ebola, page that popped up first says 11,315 deaths up to January 2016.

Yeah, and many of the initial SARS vaccines seemed to work well when tested in animals. But when the immunized animals were exposed to the virus, they had severe reactions and died. That test (intentional infection) cannot be done on humans, and is something that we will learn about long after many have already received the vaccine.

Of course not, why do you think it is done on animals then? those candidates are rejected at that point precisely because those kind of reactions are the ones that are being looked for during the preclinical trials.

SARS vaccines are not the only ones where that happens, almost every single vaccine and drug you can think about its the final product from a selection of dozens more that failed the preclinical trials.

We do the animal trials to find out before it is tried on any human, that is their purpose.

Becoming infected with the actual virus is indeed an effective way to achieve long term immunity. At least 17 years for SARS....

And so is vaccination, there is no described mechanism that prevent this happening from vaccines and they have a very important advantage, they are hugely safer than the natural infection.

The latest figures indicate that Covid19 is comparable to the flu on terms of death rate. The fuss that authorities are making over this is not for our health.

That is false, a lie. Check the figures for flu this year, that will let you compare between both diseases under very costly social distancing measures and let you understand how they are not comparable.

And do you know what is thousands of times safer than even the flu? a vaccine.

the new corona virus is so deadly that it killed less than2% of infected persons who are mostly frail, with underlying conditions, of advanced age. I'm shivering in fear especially when 90% of infected don't even have any symptoms, not even a runny nose .yikes so deadly

Well duh! that is the whole point of doing a huge effort to prevent wild spread dissemination, check hospitalization rates, now hospital vancancies. All the excess people from wild dissemination become lethal victims, and so are uninfected people that cannot use hospitals because they are chocked full.

All health related organizations of the world say you are wrong based on scientific data not misinterpreted or taken out of context like you do. I prefer to trust the professionals more than someone with apparently very limited knowledge about the topic.

Selfish? I'm not the one trying to force others to do something they don't want, just so a random person on the street feels safe.

Well, at least now it is clear out in public which kind of people refuse to wash their hands when going to the toilet,

Not noted again in this article is that recoveries exceeded new infections for about the 5th or 6th day in a row.

Active cases fell by 256 yesterday nationwide .

I have not comment in days regarding numbers as I just don't care anymore. Nothing is going to change any time soon why be bothered the only thing thats keeping me safe is my face shield and my gas mask. All i need to go about and live a confty life with COVID-19 raging around.

How do this year’s mortality rates compare with those if previous hears. Id like to see THOSE numbers.

@virusrex

I did a search online for the SARS and MERS vaccines but didn’t find any sources supporting your statement about the existence of “dozens and dozens of perfectly good vaccines for SARS and MERS”. Could you please provide a link?

I did a search online for the SARS and MERS vaccines but didn’t find any sources supporting your statement about the existence of “dozens and dozens of perfectly good vaccines for SARS and MERS”. Could you please provide a link?

Pubmed doesn't have the best search engine but still it is very easy to find lots of reports about vaccine candidates preclinical studies. How exactly were you searching? it is actually much more difficult not to find them, even just googling would give you a few of these reports immediately.

SARS PMID: 27076136, 24850731, 24355931, 23977435, 23252385, 23029269, etc.

MERS PMID: 32325037, 32265331, 31968702, 31705137, 31428074, 30538505, etc.

It is obvious from the comment that none of these candidates have been subjected to clinical trials, so they are not available for human use, but showing good efficacy and safety profiles on the preclinical studies is quite an achievement.

TigerTokyoDome

What are you talking about ?

The figure you are being told is a number of cases.

They won't tell you how many people die or even how many are hospitalised because they are none.

The Epidemic is over, what you see is a "casedemic".

Stop leaving in fear, educate yourself: https://youtu.be/FU3OibcindQ

The Epidemic is over, what you see is a "casedemic".

People are still being hospitalized daily, and the number of cases still maintained even with very heavy social distancing measures in place.

Lots of people depend on this situation not continuing for much longer in order to survive, only people that ignore reality could think this is already over.

Between health care professionals telling one thing and somebody in the internet that is unable to point to primary sources and think "education" comes from youtube telling the contrary there is no real contest.