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Tokyo reports 88 new coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 331

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The Tokyo metropolitan government on Tuesday reported 88 new cases of the coronavirus, 10 down from Monday. The number is the result of 1,014 tests conducted on Sept 19.

The tally brought Tokyo's cumulative total to 24,394.

The number of infected people in Tokyo with severe symptoms is 30, three up from Monday, health officials said.

Nationwide, the number of reported cases was 331. After Tokyo, the prefectures with the most cases were Osaka (67), Kanagawa (38), Chiba (18), Saitama (14) , Hyogo (13), Gunma (13) and Kagoshima (11).

Five coronavirus-related deaths were reported.

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The most populous and tightly packed metropolis in the world and only 88 cases?

What a joke.

2 ( +13 / -11 )

8.7% positive rate

One of the worst in the world

France is reporting 5% positive rate

Heaven knows what the "real" number is ....

7 ( +18 / -11 )

Only 1014 tests?

5 ( +15 / -10 )

Some JT posters seem disappointed by the lack of cases.

-6 ( +17 / -23 )

Are people still obsessing over this?

-9 ( +10 / -19 )

@akula

I 100% agree!

Many posters here are predicting, wishing and waiting since 9 months for the big apocalypse in Japan.

Can you believe that? Since 9 months!

And I dont understand why they are wishing that the numbers increase?

Are they some kind of End of the World Junkies?

I agree that the number of tests are really low, but I can not see any overrun at hospitals or millions of sick people or thousands of deaths.

The situation in Japan is very good, I can live my daily life without any restrictions but of course doing my personal best prevention.

-3 ( +15 / -18 )

AkulaToday 04:31 pm JST

Some JT posters seem disappointed by the lack of cases.

Well, there's nobody in this thread expressing disappointment at the "low number" of cases. What are you talking about?

14 ( +24 / -10 )

Some JT posters seem disappointed by the lack of cases.

Could you pls point to the threads.

If anything people are surprised at the low number of test for one of the richest and most populous city in the world.

6 ( +17 / -11 )

Good job in containing number of virus tests! 1014 :D

1 ( +11 / -10 )

As long as the number of cases is in continuous decline, it is fine. I think, Japan so far, handled the pandemic much better way than almost all other countries, except China.

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

If you want I high number of tests you could move to the US. As Trump says they have phenomenal testing there.

my advice? Don’t over-analyze the situation here. Just be thankful you live in a country that seems to be handling it well.

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Long time reader, first time poster.

To respond to those who claim people are disappointed by the lack of cases.

I, for one, absolutely would like to see low number of cases. If this was New Zealand, Hong Kong or Singapore, I would cheer for 88 cases.

Unfortunately, in Japan today, the 88 cases is simply not believable. Had it been 2000 cases in Tokyo in August and I see the number of tests in the tens of thousands, then it goes down to, let's say 200 cases, then I would say, great, whatever measures are taken, it's working and Tokyo is doing fantastic. As it stands today, 88 cases is very likely 5-10x as much in reality, but there is no way to know that. I think that's why people's sentiment seems like they are cheering for higher numbers. People don't like uncertainty.

I think the government is not doing itself favors by the amount of testing that simply doesn't meet international standards. You think China or NZ won't notice the low number of tests when it comes to sending Olympic athletes or opening up tourism?

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The number of infected people in Tokyo with severe symptoms is 30, three up from Monday, health officials said.

This is the most important fact of all. People admitted to the ICUs.

At the moment there is no need to worry. The coronavirus is under control, in the prefecture of Tokyo. Nor is there any risk of immediate collapse of the health system.

This is good data.

-4 ( +7 / -11 )

This is the most important fact of all. People admitted to the ICUs.

It is a little tiring to repeat this every few days, but severe symptoms does not mean admitted to ICU in Metropolitan Tokyo reporting; this is the number of patients on ECMO or ventilators.

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Forget "cases". Its meaningless as the accuracy of PCR tests is unreliable with false positives and asymptomatics. Tokyo and surrounding areas most probably have achieved herd immunity or are on its way.

The important things to look at are hospitalizations and deaths, both of which are very low. Just 30 severe symptoms and a daily death rate in single digits and falling. Zero yesterday. Avg age undoubtably in mid 80s.

Its over. Go back to your lives.

-12 ( +8 / -20 )

"Forget "cases". Its meaningless as the accuracy of PCR tests is unreliable with false positives and asymptomatics. Tokyo and surrounding areas most probably have achieved herd immunity or are on its way.

The important things to look at are hospitalizations and deaths, both of which are very low. Just 30 severe symptoms and a daily death rate in single digits and falling. Zero yesterday. Avg age undoubtably in mid 80s."

Congrats, literally nothing you wrote is true. Quite an accomplishment.

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Tokyo and surrounding areas most probably have achieved herd immunity or are on its way.

Cite the scientific links please, or else we will think you are confusing fact with your non-scientific opinion.

There is zero evidence to suggest Tokyo will be anywhere near herd-immunity, until a vaccine has been distributed.

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Can you believe that? Since 9 months!

And I dont understand why they are wishing that the numbers increase?

Which number are you talking about ? Can you please specify.

People have been calling for the number of PCR tests to be increased and not the number of positive cases.

3 ( +8 / -5 )

Congrats, literally nothing you wrote is true. Quite an accomplishment.

I still don't understand why there are still people askin for more tests. How will that work ? What will it accomplish ?

-5 ( +7 / -12 )

I still don't understand why there are still people askin for more tests. How will that work ? What will it accomplish ?

To make things easy ,Tell us what you think test will not accomplish.

4 ( +10 / -6 )

Te numbers are low so when we get out of silver week they can push the numbers high to sell another lock down. Let's see if suga fails the test.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Went sightseeing around Tokyo today and it was pretty packed. Everyone wearing masks.

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

Not people cheering for higher numbers per se but there does seem to be a lot of distrust among posters here. They don’t trust the numbers. They think in reality way more people out there have it than we know. But this is just speculation based on what?

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

To make things easy ,Tell us what you think test will not accomplish.

It won't help slow the spread ..

for it to work you will have to do it again and again while the country is locked down.. It will be a complete disaster and will cost many jobs also lives and ruined families

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Japan blew it's window of opportunity to lock down and take control back in March (Olympic Gold fever).

Covid is out there; you are going to get it.

That is the course Japan chose because it's the cheapest.

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It won't help slow the spread ..

for it to work you will have to do it again and again while the country is locked down.. It will be a complete disaster and will cost many jobs also lives and ruined families

Not testing enough and allowing those who are asympthomatic unknowingly running around infecting others doesn't slow the infection but rather spreads it and giving a false sense that infection is low when really it isn't. Eventually the elderly and those with underlying condition will get infected leading to death or serious health issues. I guess comparing with other countries with higher infection and feeling good is more important, it is called self-deceit.

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Zoroto - literally everything I said was correct. Herd immunity of course there is no way of knowing either way, but you can educate yourself by listening to opinions.

Japan and Sweden are two shining examples of how adults handle a crisis.

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

literally everything I said was correct. 

You said “It’s over”.

There’s one demonstrably false statement for a kick off.

1 ( +6 / -5 )

Not testing enough...

That is the thing if it isnt everyone every week it won't be enough .

Testing everyone all the time is impossible.

it and giving a false sense that infection is low when really it isn't.

I don't think anyone sane in Japan believes the reported number of infections reflect the reality. creating a false sense would imply thebgivermenr is liying and if lying is an option then we would have seen bigger number for tests.

Testing a little bit more or on levels comparable to other similiar countries is pointless because it isn't so different then testing less.

Eventually the elderly and those with underlying condition will get infected leading to death or serious health issues.

Right .. This just isnt happening in Japan and probably won't . No one knows why yet.

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You said “It’s over”.

There’s one demonstrably false statement for a kick off.

Forgive me. It should have been followed by; "but the crying"

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

It's been what, seven eight nine months now and I'm still waiting for anyone of those who believe that mass testing is necessary to make the realization that if indeed mass testing is necessary then that necessity should have manifested itself a long time ago.

If it is indeed necessary then Japan not doing so should have resulted already in an explosion of serious cases and deaths.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

 if lying is an option then we would have seen bigger number for tests.

Agree.

I've also posted before that if indeed the government is lying then they would have just conducted more tests and just lied about the results

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Monty: "And I dont understand why they are wishing that the numbers increase?"

I think if you stopped your comment after: "I dont (sic) understand" it would have been incredibly accurate. But as it stands, you're comment is simply... well... based on a lack of understanding (and hence my suggestion you delete everything after 'understand'). You see, it's a long weekend, and even regularly most Japanese hospitals, and ALL clinics besides maybe one or two 24-hour places in large cities for emergencies, close on Sundays and holidays (because accidents never happen then!). So, the 3000 or so meager number of tests that might be done on a day where testing places are open, are reduced to one third, in a city of 9.27 million people -- which makes it one test per nearly 9,300 people, which is absolutely ludicrous. So, no, we don't "wish the numbers increase", but we don't pretend that everyone in Tokyo was tested and only 88 showed positive. What we want is more available testing and an adequate sampling of hte population. At 88 people per 1000 tests it's an 8.7% or so positivity rate, which may well be the worst in the world. Now, if we pretended like you guys that it meant 88 people out of the entire Tokyo population, we might be inclined to ignore that in reality if EVERY person in Tokyo were tested, 8.7% positivity would mean 806,490 or so people were infected. That's not a desire, it's fact. I don't believe it's that high at all, but I don't believe only 88 new infections exist, either, especially when I know some pretty sick people who have to go through amazing hoops to even qualify for a test to begin with.

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Testing everyone all the time is impossible.

You will raise the false "testing everyone" as your line of defense. Can you show just one thread of anyone calling for everyone to be tested. People are calling for testing to be made readily available by relaxing the many hurdles put in place to limit testing.

Testing a little bit more or on levels comparable to other similiar countries is pointless because it isn't so different then testing less.

Well it just your warped believe and not based on any scientific data. I would like to see just one scientific data backing your false believe. You won't because there isn't any.

Former PM Abe promised Testing will be ramped up to 200,000test a day in his last address to the nation. Unfortunately he doesn't share your false believe.

If it is indeed necessary then Japan not doing so should have resulted already in an explosion of serious cases and deaths.

Sorry you can't say that with certainty with the low autopsy and pcr testing and only those that tested positive before they died means many cases are wrongly reported.

Low testing does nothing but create mistrust of any data

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

If it is indeed necessary then Japan not doing so should have resulted already in an explosion of serious cases and deaths.

Everything you say is just based on assumption, you don't even have data for the number of deaths this year from the usual illnesses, if you do pls share with us so that we can compare with previous years. As usual you won't produce any data because it doesn't exist.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Tobias J Gibson Today 05:55 pm JST

It is a little tiring to repeat this every few days, but severe symptoms does not mean admitted to ICU in Metropolitan Tokyo reporting; this is the number of patients on ECMO or ventilators.

All ECMO and ventilator patients They are ICU patients. 

It is clear that there are more patients in the ICU. Patients from other diseases, post-surgery, work accidents or traffic accidents.

But the number of people seriously affected by coronavirus in Tokyo Prefecture is 30. A fortunately low figure, for an area where 14 million people live. The important thing is that hospitals are not overcrowded. And that the health system does not collapse. 

That's why I say the data is not worrying. For now.

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I've also posted before that if indeed the government is lying then they would have just conducted more tests and just lied about the results

Nobody is or has accused the government of lying, that is a very serious allegation to make. Surprised that you are arguing without even knowing why test has not increased despite the PM on several occasions pledging tests will be increased, it has indeed increased when compared to the levels of April to June but far short of the level Japan is capable of.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Nobody is or has accused the government of lying, that is a very serious allegation to make

Nobody had accused the government of lying?

Youre downright stupid lol

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Numbers are bound to be done as there has been a reduction in testing over the last four days here.

This week will show the numbers up as millions have made trips to different parts of Japan.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

After 9 months of low deaths, low hospitalization and generally low infringements on freedoms people are still complaining about testing numbers.

Enough already

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Japan and Sweden are two shining examples of how adults handle a crisis.

Sweden: 580.74 deaths per million people; its neighbours Norway(49.25), Finland (61.54) and Denmark (110.49)

I don't know, but doesn't seem that great to me. All those countries have far less deaths (Denmark: 640, Finland: 341, Norway: 267) than Sweden (5,865). Denmark and Norway also trace every case, so they are more likely to find people without symptoms. And if those die, they still count. Finland like Sweden only traces some of the cases.

Japan week 33-37: 773,376 tests, 26,771 cases, 395; Germany same timeframe: 5,220,909 tests, 43,189 cases, 153 deaths

So in those 5 weeks Japan did conduct 4,447,533 less, had 16,418 less cases (remember symptoms are a prerequisite for being tested and they only do limited tracing), but saw 242 more deaths. People always say that the variant of corona in Europe is more lethal, yet Japan has had more deaths despite less cases vor weeks? Oh, since there are no final numbers for the number of tests conducted for week 38 I left it out, but Japan saw again more deaths than Germany. Germany unlike Japan traces every case and will find more asymptomatic cases, while Japan does only limited tracing like Finland and Sweden. Since even asymptomatic people that die are counted (people that died in accidants, had heart attacks,...), it makes quite a difference if they hunt down every case or not. Yes, that also means that a person that dies in a road accident that tested positive will be counted, although the probability is so low that it shouldn't be significant (deaths from road accidents have ranged from 159 to 256 per month in Germany this year for example; it is highly unlikely that the majority of those tested positive before their death and their death would impact on the overall picture). Yes, the deaths in most country will also include people that died of other reasons. But even if the virus was not the main cause, it may very well have contributed to their death though. Only research will show what impact the virus had in the end.

In one study they examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people that had recovered and 78 had cardiovascular involvement irrespective of preexisting conditions. Those weren't all cases with severe symptoms though. 18 had no symptoms and 49 showed minor to mild symptoms. 33 were severely unwell and needed hospitalization and 2 of those underwent mechanical ventilation and another 17 underwent noninvasive ventilation. Of course the study has its limitations but its findings are nontheless interesting.

Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19):

Taken together, we demonstrate cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%) with recent COVID-19 illness, independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis. These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19.

Catching people without symptoms is insofar important that they can pass the virus on to others, but the virus may even cause damage to them. There was also an article some time ago that the virus was appartently able to pass the blood–brain barrier.

In the worst case (that the virus actually doesn't cause much damage) more testing will give you data that lets you analyze how a highly infectious would spread, which is already a huge gain.

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dougthehead13Sep. 22  11:49 pm JST

All ECMO and ventilator patients They are ICU patients. 

Do you have a source for this statement, because the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, in its statement explaining the decision to use the current definition, specifically states that:

人工呼吸管理下の重症患者が必ずしも、ICUに入室していない

[Severely ill patients under mechanical ventilation are not necessarily in the ICU]

https://www.bousai.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/_res/projects/default_project/page/001/011/435/7kai/202008207.pdf

It is clear that there are more patients in the ICU. Patients from other diseases, post-surgery, work accidents or traffic accidents.

It is also highly likely there are covid-19 in ICU who do not require ECMO or ventilators. Again, as the Tokyo Metropolitan Government itself has stated:

ICU在室者の全てが、必ずしも重症でない

[Not all ICU residents are seriously ill]

But the number of people seriously affected by coronavirus in Tokyo Prefecture is 30. A fortunately low figure, for an area where 14 million people live. The important thing is that hospitals are not overcrowded. And that the health system does not collapse. 

That's why I say the data is not worrying. For now.

I am merely trying to correct the common misinterpretation of the data presented here. Whether it is 'good' or 'bad' in your opinion is not at issue, and I have specifically not mentioned my opinion on this. If you want to continue to attempt to defend your clear misstatement when it does not necessarily undermine your opinion, that is your prerogative, however, resistance to fact checking and correction usually will undermine your position.

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After 9 months of low deaths, low hospitalization and generally low infringements on freedoms people are still complaining about testing numbers.

Enough already

Mid February to mid March there were an additional 50-60 death per week with flu-like illnesses including pneumonia in Tokyo alone. Shortly before the influenza cases in Japan were down by over 60% and had been falling for some time. And even around that time the flu cases were way down compared to the flu seasons the five years before. You know, more tests would have told us if that has anything to do with the virus. Oh, same with the 1000 extra deaths Tokyo saw in April. Those deaths don't necessarily have anything to do with corona, but without tests you won't know. Also Germany as well as England and Wales had a drop in deaths compared to the years before at times while they registered corona deaths. Low testing means we have no idea how accurate those numbers are. Not tracing every case means that there is always the risk of a preventable spread of the virus somewhere else. When other countries test around 7 times as much per week and see less deaths while discovering more cases, then there is also an issue.

There have been several users like Tobias J Gibson that provide interesting information on many occasions. Many more people have pointed out why testing is important. Heck, even a database that is regularly cited in academic scientific journals says 'Limited testing and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death means that the number of confirmed deaths may not be an accurate count of the true number of deaths from COVID-19.'. It is fine if you think that only barely testing is fine, but instead of labeling others as complainers you could actually join the discussion and argue your point of view.

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@confusias

Japan has handled the situation far better than almost every other country.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

So, I really don't care if you want more

data for armchair analysis.

Hospitals are doing fine and I don't read about daily demands to dramatically increase testing testing otherwise we are all going to die anywhere else accept

on this message board

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Got it, you don't feel like actually providing any arguments for your claims and don't want to talk about anything others have actually contributed to the discussion either. That's fine, but it'd be nice if you would at least stop calling others complainers or armchair analysts just because they disagree with your view.

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Holiday reporting is usually low. But this Pandemic is an exception.... right ?

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