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shallots
Ah Tokyo. Never been there. Meanwhile Osaka endures but I’ll look elsewhere for news of it.
Tom
Excellent, Numbers down.
Badge213
Only a fraction of those really infected.
since1981
How can they say this. They can get results the same day as testing? The tests results coming out today are from 1-2 weeks ago. Aren't they?
Fuzzy
@since1981
The test results take 24-48 hours, so these are results of tests given over the weekend. That's why we see the numbers go down each Monday/Tuesday (few tests done over the weekend). The people who tested positive were likely infected 1-2 weeks ago.
Hervé L'Eisa
Hmmm. And how many have recovered? Funny(in the odd sense) that the number of recovered people is never reported, and nothing but raw numbers of presumptive infections are reported. There should be very clear data reported(without names). It's important to be WELL-informed!
Badge213
Official numbers here:
https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/en/
52 discharged, but of course these are the ones that have been tested and known, there could well be 10X more that have had or have that we don't know.
kenx0171
The media really needs to clarify that the numbers announced on Sundays and Mondays are lower because of fewer testing on weekends. This comment section only shows how it confuses the public.
drlucifer
Can you tell us the average number of test carried out daily, maybe it might help explain why there is no exponential increase.
Maybe that is difficult for you to figure out.
Luddite
Watching NHK News, they are speaking to relatives of virus victims. Much to my horror I discover hospitals are still allowing visitors. This contradicts basic rules about managing contagion in hospitals. Bloody hell.
ozellis
There is a reason for Japan's low numbers...it could be a TB vaccine, it could be an amazing medical system, a govt. driven directive to contact-trace every single infection or a culture that finds no need to make meaningless cheek-fking a necessity, ....or it could be some other random thing. who knows?
Unless we have a medical system complicit in a massive cover-up, there aren't the massive numbers people are suggesting. I ain't that at maths but the numbers should have exploded ala New York about a month ago.
We will soon find out. Stay tuned!!
Cognac
saturday 191, sunday 166, monday 91
the virus is spreading out at exponential speed!!!!
Cognac
EXACTLY
the virus is not arrived on 25 March, 25 March was the first day Olympic Games were postponed
the virus arrived in late January in Japan, if the catastrophic comments should be right at this point we all should be infected. wake up gaijin !!!!
please undervote us to show you clearly don't undestand what "exponential growth rate" means
Numan
First, what is the survival rate? I don't see the numbers too often. If it is really low then they might be only testing the most serious cases. Unless we do mass screening then we won't know the true numbers, so doctors can simply diagnosis patients with other illnesses because it isn't life threatening. This will keep the numbers down.
We also need to test for the asymptomatic people because they will continue to put other people's lives at risk.
I do think that Japan as a society is healthier than the US: 1) Smaller and less diverse population. 2) Food culture and lifestyle 3) Socioeconomic gap is not as big. 4) American culture tends to be more hard headed. 5) Medical culture is better in the US, but more people in Japan have access to medical care with National Health Insurance, so preventive medicine is more prevalent.
ozellis
Numan......
Why is it that you ask me these questions? I have no answers. I am an idiot.
Are you a medical professional?
Kobe White Bar Owner
@cognac,
could you explain what “undervote” means please.
ozellis
Where is the exponential number here?
Shouldn't Tokyo have at a minimum a few thousand deaths by now?
ozellis
At the very least, readers should grab a dictionary and have a look at the entry "exponential".
ozellis
It was about a 50/50 split about a week ago, My mind hasn't changed.
Apr. 7 07:43 pm JST Posted in: Abe declares state of emergency until May 6 for Tokyo, 6 prefectures See in context
It is quite clear than 99% of posters think that we should be in lockdown.
can anyone tell me why we aren’t seeing New York style numbers as of yet?
-7 ( +6 / -13 )
doggar
Numan you are saying that riding a packed train is a healthier lifestyle than driving your car?
i@n
No, doctors can't just diagnose patients with other illnesses
drlucifer
Don't understand how you expect the numbers to explode without massive testing. If you didn't know a single test cannot yield multiple results.
i@n
Some of the reasons for the low numbers should be obvious to everyone by now. What are some measures being proposed to mitigate the spread of the virus? Social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing/ sanitizing; these are all practiced widely here in Japan even before covid19 came.
And with the awareness brought by covid19, flu cases even dropped as a result.
Numan
i@n
Yes, they can!
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that the main symptoms of the illness are fever, coughing, and shortness of breath. Other infected patients have experienced completely different symptoms, like vomiting and loss of taste and smell. Some people’s Covid-19 symptoms overlap with those of other illnesses like influenza, making these infections hard to distinguish without testing.
Therefore, if a person that has mild symptoms or symptomatic can't get a coronavirus test in Japan then Japanese doctor's won't know for sure if it is coronavirus and will simply diagnosis the problem as another illness.
Please prove me wrong!
Numan
@doggar
Trains are healthier form of transportation than driving in heavy vehicle traffic, but less than walking and riding bicycles.
The US has more drivers that drive more often than in Japan, yet I don't see it having a positive effect on the average US citizens health.
Numan
Then why are you asking everyone else questions? Do you think that the other posters have the answers?
My point.........
kwatt
I rather more worry how many people died from the virus everyday than how many people got infected.
didou
Over the past 6 weeks, figures have always been down on Monday over the country. Less tests done during the weekend. It has always been up from Wednesday
From week to week (Monday to Monday), it is slightly higher in Tokyo, and over the country too.
No decrease yet !
i@n
Numan
Its not proper for me to prove you wrong, you're the one who should substantiate your accusation that doctors simply diagnose the patients with another illness.
Anyway, at least you should ponder on what your accusation's implications are and why would the doctors even contemplate such a thing.
What will they gain by doing that?
More importantly, what could they lose?
i@n
We don't need massive testing If only to determine if the spread of the disease has exploded. For that we need only look at hospital numbers. If the number of severely ill and deaths have exploded then chances are the number of covid19 cases did.
If there there unnaturally many cases of people dropping dead in their homes we can include those also.
Tey Dela Cruz
And how many didn't they report? No news here when you can't even issue a mandatory stay at home order.
quercetum
It doesn’t matter actually how infectious you think the virus is. You have quite a lot of freedom in Japan under the circumstances. It doesn’t hurt to be cautious even if you think it’s innocuous. Do what you need to do but have no regrets and should have and could haves.
“Fauci said, ‘You know, Jake, again, it’s the what would have, what could have. It’s very difficult to go back and say that. I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives.
Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those kinds of decisions is complicated. But you’re right, I mean, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then.’”
Dan Lavender
I don't see a big rise in Coronavirus related deaths...
or is someone cooking the books?
Numan
i@n
I have proven my point and explained logically why it happens.
Hospitals in Japan refusing to test many who suspect they have COVID-19
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/26/national/hospitals-refuse-coronavirus-patients/#.XpR5yFMzZ_Q
Like, I said earlier......
@Ian, it is proper for you to provide substantiated evidence if you claiming that I am wrong or doubt me.
Maybe.....
i@n
So what was the doctor's diagnosis?
Breakout
Well, when you read the article fully, the first two patients never got tested, but they were told that everything was fine by the doctor despite showing symptoms. The one person that was tested was found to be positive.
Then at the end of the article you have.....
and another person saying....
@i@n, what do you think the doctors told those to patients that were never tested despite showing mild symptoms and valid reasons to be concerned?
drlucifer
The same can be said of the S.Koreans yet their number of infections are high. Their numbers are not arousing suspicion because they world knows they have been testing massively and did what Japan is trying to do now allocate the mild cases to special facilities with doctors and nurses.
i@n
Ok I have no idea, what did the doctors tell the patients?
Silvafan
Shogenai!
i@n
drlucifer
We know why the number of infections was high in SK. If that happened here in Japan then Japan probably would have implemented lockdowns earlier
Breakout
Why were the numbers high in SK?
i@n
Really? Ok, I thought that was common knowledge
patient 31
Breakout
@i@m, does that spike have anything to do with SK testing everyone to help identify all infected individuals and not just the severe cases?
i@n
What do you think lol
Flute
@Cognac
You should perhaps try to educate yourself about exponential growth and virus spread before implying other of not understand it.
Tips : exponential death does not mean that everything falling under : imagine a penny doubling value every days.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/28/coronavirus-cases-growing-rapidly-exponential-growth/2922091001/
http://revolutionradio.org/2020/03/06/coronavirus-projection-model-death-counts-from-march-6th-through-april-4th-how-we-get-from-13-to-580-aggregate-deaths-in-america/
https://vitals.lifehacker.com/what-is-the-coronaviruss-r0-and-why-does-it-matter-1841264885
https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/visuel/2020/04/02/coronavirus-a-quoi-sert-le-confinement_6035266_4355770.html#slide=30 (to continue until 36)
https://www.wired.com/story/how-fast-does-a-virus-spread/
https://www.ea-reperes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/PredictedFrenchHospitNeeds-EHESP-20200316.pdf
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316
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NB : using the fact to be downvoted as a proof of you are right is a fallacious argument. Same apply the other way round.
@Burningbush
You are still going on about your not understanding ?
We are approaching the 15th of April, what did your math decide regarding the prognosis and potential number of unidentified cases ?
therougou
So out with the olympics conspiracy theory and in with another? Abe bowed to pressure from the healthcare industry, plain and simple.
Michel Reiziger
Again. these are the official numbers, the true number of infected persons is much higher. In some EU nations the real number is the official number multiplied by 5 to 10. And that will not be different in Japan.
As long as there are no large scale testings done in Japan the official numbers are nothing more than indications if there are new infections or not. As for the death, in many nations people who did not die at hospitals or specific corona care locations (like in Germany or Netherlands) are not taken into the official corona related death numbers. So also that number is much higher. Same counts to some extent also for Spain and Italy.
lostrune2
How massive are the testing, and how many people are slipping thru the cracks
South Korea had a massive testing process early on, so they determined who actually were infected and thus able to isolate those people early on, instead of the virus being passed around undetected