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What no Aircraft Carrier? China's been boasting around threating War with their BIG FAT AIRCRAFT CARRIER to defend their "Sovereignty". Why keep sending these little ships? You know why folks? Because they're bunch of COWARDS! China's scared to go to War with anyone except their own People (Tiananmen Square). No, I'm talking about an ALL OUT Full Scale WAR! They boast around the World Stage rattling their Saber like they're ready for a War, but in the end game - they don't have "The Stones" to go to War. Nobody knows what War really is until your in it and then it's too late to get out of it when people are dying all around you. China can't go to War - they can't stomach it. Yea, keep trying to take those Islands...

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SaketownMar. 07, 2013 - 08:19AM JST What no Aircraft Carrier? China's been boasting around threating War with their BIG FAT AIRCRAFT CARRIER to >defend their "Sovereignty". Why keep sending these little ships?

Well they aren't going to send their pride and joy second hand carrier (or any other PLAN ships for that matter) because doing so would mean going nose to nose with the U.S. 7th Fleet. Whether cowardly or calculated, China wants to take other countries' territories without having to get into a real military conflict.

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There will be a major problem if China attacks Japan patrol ships intentionally or by accident. Between Japan and China, the economies are deeply connected and they rely on each other for growth. Even though Japan is under article 9 constitution, nobody should believe that Japan is weak. China should not be mistaken that Japan is working on advance hi-tech missile technology disguised as satellite launches with launch vehicle that is quick firing and mobility will will scares any opponent. Japan has tons of hi-grade plutonium that can easily become dirty bomb for subs and surface or air launched missiles. So China will not ever want to get into actual war with Japan. There will be no winners. Maybe a minor patrol dispute around the islands out of frustration. As long as Japan says there is no dispute, China have no choice but to poke around the edges of the Senkaku/Daioyu islands for Chinese media. The threat of modern nuclear weapons will deter China from actual aggression.

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As long as Japan says 'nothing to negotiate' this is what you will see for a long long time! Both are wasting money to keep an eye on each other. Meanwhile this low level tension suits US just fine! AND this dispute give China even more reason to budget more to upgrade her destroyers , planes and missiles. Soon it will not be quality vs quantity but China's quality and quantity vs Japan limited quality.

In the long run, this actually make Japan looks pretty foolish! Negotiate or hang on to your Fool's Gold!

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@Saketown

@OssanAmerica

Sorry, China make calculated moves with low cost investments of selected military assets to make Japan looks foolish!. Meanwhile Japan & US have to spend more money with AWACS 24/7 patrol to monitor China planes and send way too many fighter jets to chase off a small propeller plane. Now that fits into China's strategy of asserting sovereignty and make Japan bleed financially. How much money to scramble a few jets to take a peek at the small plane? Foolish indeed!

People who hates China must by dying to see her go to war with Japan and US, but sorry, you just may have to write to Mr Xi to see if he will buy your opinion! I guess a spectator/arm chair warrior with no financial and blood investment loves to play 'video game WWIII' until a real nuke Made In China actually head his way!

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@Tony Ew

I wouldn't trust a Chinese made nuke... It might blow up in china before its launched haha Chinese qaulity! China will never take these islands!

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These stories are getting old. Its always the same. Perhaps Japan should do something proactive to prevent the dispute but not war-sparking. Otherwise, they should stop complaining. If Japan has sovereignty, show it.

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The threat of modern nuclear weapons will deter China from actual aggression.

It didn't deter the Chinese from attacking Soviet/Russian troops at Damansky Island. The Chinese response to a potential nuclear attack in 1969 was to build underground cities. At the height of Soviet-Chinese tensions in 1969, Chinese Mao Zedong ordered the construction of Dixia Cheng. China today has over 3,000 miles of underground tunnels dug by the military. They've also built backup cities like Ordos in inner Mongolia, that are largely uninhabited. The Chinese were preparing for a nuclear conflict in 1969, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were gearing up for one now.

Now that fits into China's strategy of asserting sovereignty and make Japan bleed financially. How much money to scramble a few jets to take a peek at the small plane? Foolish indeed!

That's why Japan is looking into purchasing drone aircraft. They're cheaper to operate than conventional aircraft and can loiter for longer periods. The predator drone for instance has a flight endurance time of 24 hours and can be equipped with Hellfire missiles. In addition, Japan should also look into operating seaplane aircraft around the Senkaku islands. Seaplane aircraft could be refueled at sea to extend their patrol hours and save on fuel costs.

One thing Japan must not do is underestimate the Chinese. The Chinese are increasingly becoming desperate and desperate countries don't always act rationally.

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So much talk of War and blah blah blah.... Those who love to go to war please cut off your own leg and multiply the pain by 50million, that will equal the pain war will cause humanity.

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Tony EwMar. 07, 2013 - 12:29PM JST @Saketown @OssanAmerica Sorry, China make calculated moves with low cost investments of selected military assets to make Japan looks >foolish!.

Sorry but Japan hasn't looked foolish at all. Whereas China is seen overwhelmingly by the entire world as an aggressor.

Meanwhile Japan & US have to spend more money with AWACS 24/7 patrol to monitor China planes and send way >too many fighter jets to chase off a small propeller plane. Now that fits into China's strategy of asserting sovereignty >and make Japan bleed financially. How much money to scramble a few jets to take a peek at the small plane? Foolish >indeed!

Both the U.S, and Japan do that regularly, it's no skin off heir backs. It is China that is extending itself and running around the Senkakus burning fuel just to run across Japan's backyard for a couple hours then run away. But as I said, since China wants to avoid a military confrontation, this is all that can do.

People who hates China must by dying to see her go to war with Japan and US, but sorry, you just may have to write >to Mr Xi to see if he will buy your opinion! I guess a spectator/arm chair warrior with no financial and blood investment >loves to play 'video game WWIII' until a real nuke Made In China actually head his way!

No Tony, people who "hate China" includes Chinese in Taiwan and Hong Kong, and any Chinese on the mainland truly patriotic enough to recognize that the CCP one-party dictatorship is bad for the Chinese people, the rest of Asia, and the entire world.

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Methinks the "Chinese in Taiwan" who "Hate China" would NOT refer to themselves as Chinese.

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OssanAmerica, how could you describe China as an aggressor when China did not display any hostile behaviour or action? But we can’t say the same for Japan though, e.g. sending 8 or 3 fighter planes to chase after a tiny regular plane, using water cannon against unarmed boats, and closely tracking Chinese vessels, etc. All these show that Japan is the aggressor not China. And, the entire world knows that. You are right on the point that China wants to avoid a military confrontation, but that doesn’t mean that if their vessels are under attack they will not do anything. In fact, they may want that to happen for two reasons: Japan will be seen as being overly-aggressive and giving China a reason to attack without fear of a third-party involvement. And, you are also a little behind the time, may be a decade or two, in saying about the hatred and dictatorship. Chinese people around the world are now so proud of China and its accomplishments in the last forty years.

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House AtreidesMar. 07, 2013 - 05:18PM JST It didn't deter the Chinese from attacking Soviet/Russian troops at Damansky Island. The Chinese response to a potential nuclear attack in 1969 was to build underground cities. The Chinese were preparing for a nuclear conflict in 1969, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were gearing up for one now.

They were close. Soviet Union was on the brink of launching a nuclear attack against China in 1969 and only backed down after the U.S. told Russia such a move would start WWIII. Todays situation is completely different for China. They have too much to lose from what they built up in the last thirty years.

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@flowerss @sfjp330

Beautifully said flowers! We don't live in ancient times and we can see who is the real aggressor, plus WWII offers a great lesson for those who don't understand the meaning of 'aggressor'

As usual some people are adept at playing reverse psychology. Can anybody explain why small propeller planes, coast guard ships = aggressor?

3 plus 8 fighter jets and obscene water cannons on Taiwanese fishing boats = real aggression. Also the 'radar lock' at the choke point near the disputed islands, it is Japan framing China. Plain as day Japan is the real aggressor!

Japan plan to build even bigger coast guard ships to up her aggressor mentality to godzilla fearsome capability! However China is building them too, to make sure Japan cannot pull the Taiwan harassment thing on her.

sfjp330 offers the clearest rational why China is not the aggressor because China will have too much to lose if she take the aggressive stance!

So I highly recommend China continue patrolling the disputed islands and not do anything more than that. Hope Japan will finally wake up and see there is 'no good option' but to come to the table and do serious talk with China!

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@Tony Ew

Your posts portraying China as the victim in this situation, are as ridiculous as China's impotent incursions into Japanese waters. Any other nation would respond in exactly the same way as Japan if ham-fisted morons ran ships and planes into their territory. I agree though, that China has too much to lose by taking a true aggressive stance, which just makes these incursions look like a sad form of military masturbation that just gets more embarrassing the longer it goes on.
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