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U.S. Marines land Osprey aircraft on Japanese naval vessel

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Kudos to Japan for going to the States and learning from the best shock troops in the world. Japanese Marines will need the experience when they need to go boot some Chinese fisherman and activists from the Senkaku Islands.

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Japanese Marines will need the experience when they need to go boot some Chinese fisherman and activists from the Senkaku Islands.

Japan doesn't have Marines. This is totally unique training for them.

Next the defense ministry is going to ask the US military to purchase the Osprey for the SDF to use!

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The Hyuga and the Ise were a pretty huge investment, It's only natural that the ministry of defense wants to see how they can get the most out of them. Still leaves the question whether the Osprey is actually worth it or just an endless money pit.

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what a beauty

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Who, with all due respect, cares?

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Hey, if we nationalise the Ospreys, no one will be against :)

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I'm really proud of Bell and Boeing for persevering with a new concept. It's definitely starting to prove itself, someday hopefully it will provide good return on investment. Almost every other major development program in the US Armed Forces is an upgrade/modification of an existing product. I'm afraid innovation is really going to suffer due to extreme risk aversion. Of course we want safe products also, tricky to find a balance. Anyway, go Osprey!

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BertieWooster

Who, with all due respect, cares?

LOL, says the guy who cared enough to comment. Who you ask? Evidently YOU Bertie.

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“The very first landing of an MV-22 Osprey on a Japanese ship is a historic moment,” said Marine Brig. Gen. John Broadmeadow, adding that the exercise provided the U.S. military “an opportunity to enhance our longstanding relationship with the Japanese...

68 years later who would have thought... :)

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YubaruJun. 15, 2013 - 04:02PM JST Japan doesn't have Marines. This is totally unique training for them.

True, the JSDF was created to defend against an all out attack and to hold until US support arrived. The Cold war ensured that no one would "play games" like China is doing today. But Japan certainly did have Marines prior to 1945 and history shows Japan's island fighting skills were nothing to sneeze at. Perhaps that's something that the JGSDF and JMSDF need to think about for the future.

Next the defense ministry is going to ask the US military to purchase the Osprey for the SDF to use!

Excellent idea. Replace those old CH-47s and put those small carriers (oops..destroyers) to use!

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Perhaps the those whining about the Ospreys in Okinawa will see this and rethink their position.

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...well maybe I should have stated it as 68 years earlier... damn JT for STILL not having an "edit" function after ALL THESE YEARS!!! Who would have thought no edit function and you can't correct your statement by adding a follow up message UNTIL some one else posts to the thread or you get the following rich warning

"Your comment was not posted because you cannot post two messages in a row on the same thread."

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Wow... I wonder if the Japanese are having second thoughts about letting an Osprey land on one of their ships... Considering, they are known to literally the warp / buckle the Flight Deck underneath their jet exhausts, if they stay idling for more than just a couple minutes...

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"I wonder if the Japanese are having second thoughts about letting an Osprey land on one of their ships"

I doubt it.

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Chin4Sailor

Osprey is not turbofan. I believe you are mistaking it with the F-35B.

By the way JSDF had already place the MV-22 Osprey on the requisition list for future equipment acquisition.

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If anyone thinks that an American Osprey landing on a Japanese naval vessel is remarkable, he or she must be stuck in the past.

WWII ended 70 years ago.

Japan and the U.S.A. have been friends since 1945.

Well, when we say "friends" we mean friends in the sense of a puppy dog who obeys his master blindly and who is sucker enough to cough up large wads of dough every year.

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Too bad Japan has to send its ships to the US west coast to do this, can you imagine the uproar if a Japan based Osprey landed on a J-vessel IN Japan...............

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>damn JT for STILL not having an "edit" function after ALL THESE YEARS!!! Who would have thought no edit function and you can't correct your statement by adding a follow up message

And after all these years, in the age we live in, people still don't actually read their posts before hitting the "submit" button!! Allowing edits would be fatal as people would subtly change their arguments to suit posts after theirs. Much better to take the 30 seconds to read/correct before submission, right? I mean, it wasn't very long, was it?

68 years later who would have thought... :)

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The uproar is about this aircraft flying low over their homes. The noise and danger it is not the same. Why can the Osprey fly at sea only? There is no reason for them to be in Japan. Let them train off of California and only come to Japan in case of invasion by Mainland China.

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I couldn't help noticing that the Osprey they used for the touch-and-go's has the tail number 00, which on a US Navy amphib ship is jokingly referred to as "Nuts" by primary and flight-deck control. Instead of saying, "Dragon 16, Primary. You're cleared for spot 3..." we would say, "Nuts, Primary..." Sorry, had to share... Wonder if they taught the JMSDF controllers that part during the pre-ex briefing? : )

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I'm really proud of Bell and Boeing for persevering with a new concept. It's definitely starting to prove itself, someday hopefully it will provide good return on investment. Almost every other major development program in the US Armed Forces is an upgrade/modification of an existing product. I'm afraid innovation is really going to suffer due to extreme risk aversion. Of course we want safe products also, tricky to find a balance. Anyway, go Osprey!

It is not a new idea. The Do 31, which had its maiden flight in 1967, had a similar concept. However, VTOL is difficult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_31

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BertieWoosterJun. 15, 2013 - 10:09PM JST Well, when we say "friends" we mean friends in the sense of a puppy dog who obeys his master blindly and who is >sucker enough to cough up large wads of dough every year.

Apart from being a pathetic rather meaningless anti-J comment. when you stop to consider British and other nation's casualties in our "coalition" wars over he last 30 years, Japan comes out far less of a "puppy dog" than most of our allies.

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@bertie

You are a piece of marvelous work, first you complain always that Okinawans don't want the Osprey flying over their heads and we must do something about this, this can't go on, Oh, the humane of it all, how dare they, everyone, wake up!!! Japanese government wake up! But when an article talks about the Osprey landing off the coast of California, you're like, so what, why JT has to write a story about this? This is not news. I thought you'd be happy to hear something different for a change, but NOW it's clear, you have a chip on your shoulder and yo think, some politicians will read JT, take YOUR posts into consideration and rewrite new legislative draconian laws, overturning the SOFA agreement and kick the US out.

Well, when we say "friends" we mean friends in the sense of a puppy dog who obeys his master blindly and who is sucker enough to cough up large wads of dough every year.

Correct!

You dude, are so funny! Yeah, keep hoping.

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Readers, please stop bickering. Focus your comments on the story and not at each other.

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The Japanese ship Hyuga is a helicopter destroyer (DDH) with the displacement of 13,950t (full-load displacement: 19,000t) and with the length of 197m. It's not just an ordinary destroyer but a ship one can almost call a full-fledged aircraft carrier. Can Japan have such military equipment and provide assistance to the U.S. marines who can attack enemy land offensively and with impunity?

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Kudos to Japan for going to the States and learning from the best shock troops in the world

Tell it to vietnamese people. Betcha, they will laugh a lot. All those "shock troops" can is to bomb some desert ME countriy in a proportion 100 : 1 with a bunch of NATO servants.

This forum appears to be nothing more than a bunch of clowns posting bitches and complaints about anything and everything. And, more often than not, they have no idea what they are talking about. It's rare that a

Just a bunch of bitches, bitching for the sake of bitching.

Before calling other members of this forum by "clowns" and "bitches", look at yourself at closest mirror ;-)

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@>SamuraiBlue

Osprey is not turbofan. I believe you are mistaking it with the F-35B.

Huh...? What are you talking about...? Of Course It's NOT a TurboFan Engine, It's a TurboShaft... Hence the rotors... But that's Irrelevant... The Osprey Exhaust from it's twin Engines Produces enough heat to Warp, Buckle, even Melt in some cases the Reinforced Steel Flight Deck(s) directly beneath the exhaust, if left Idling for more than a few minutes..

There's a dozen YouTube Video's regarding this.. Take a look See.....

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Chin4Sailor

Wrong since the exhaust is not directed straight down, and turbo prop exhaust never gets as hot as turbofans due to it's relatively low velocity.

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Next up, landing F-35 Lightnings. Then Japan has a small carrier and true force projection capability.

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Can Japan have such military equipment and provide assistance to the U.S. marines who can attack enemy land offensively and with impunity?

The point was made, a rather good one I think, that the SDF needs to be capable of of amphibious assault in order to properly defend Japanese territory. If an island is invaded, the SDF may very well need such capabilities to take it back. The idea that you are going to have a military force for defense , but configure it in such a way that it is incapable of attack is really not a feasible one. Whether having such a force conflicts with the constitution is a different question.

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Triumvere,

Washington-initiated interoperability between JSDF and USFJ is what is going on here, isn't it? That's why Brig. Gen. John Broadmeadow gloated over, saying: “The very first landing of an MV-22 Osprey on a Japanese ship is a historic moment.” But such interoperability diagonally contravenes the Japanese constitution as you are well aware. Eventually, therefore, there will be a call for the revision of the constitution, saying the constitution doesn't conform to the reality. LOL.

Can you imagine a situation where the U.S. constitution must be revised for the convenience of foreign armed forces? And that's really what's going on in Japanese politics these days. A vassal country, indeed.

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@SamuraiBlue

Wrong since the exhaust is not directed straight down, and turbo prop exhaust never gets as hot as turbofans due to it's relatively low velocity.

Ok... Thank You... Brilliant... LOL...

One of many, many articles...

The deployment of the MV-22 Osprey has resulted in ship flight deck buckling that has been attributed to the excessive heat impact from engine exhaust plumes. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/darpa_chilled_landing_pads_for_osprey_f_35b/

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voiceofokinawaJun. 17, 2013 - 06:07AM JST

Eventually, therefore, there will be a call for the revision of the constitution, saying the constitution doesn't conform to the reality. LOL.

There already is and has been a call to revise the J-constitution. And it hasn't conformed to reality since 1950 when the United States forced Japan to create the JSDF. However the principles of Article 9 prohibiting offensive wars is a separate matter from recognizing that Japan already has a standing military..

Can you imagine a situation where the U.S. constitution must be revised for the convenience of foreign armed forces? >And that's really what's going on in Japanese politics these days. A vassal country, indeed.

If the U.S. had lost a war, adopted a pacifist constitution written for it by the victor nation, and relied upon it's defense, yes I can certainly imagine it. Otherwise, no.

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The Osprey is too expensive and you can buy 5 more more conventional helicopters. It would be much better for the SDF to buy upgraded versions of the old designs. Just because an Osprey landed on a Japanese ship once proves nothing. OssanAmerica, Americans are obnoxious with rubbing things in. There are not enough Osprey to make a difference. It is a huge waste of money and the war ended long before current leadership was born. This test proves nothing and wonder how much damage was done to the flight deck?

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Yuriotai, The "war" ended long before the current U.S. leadership was born as well. The Osprey travels at twice the speed of a helicopter with 5 times the operating range. It is ideal for a country like Japan that has many small islands spread about.

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OssanAmerica it is too expensive and its speed advantage is not enough. The Americans pay a fortune to maintain the things and it has a lousy amount of maintenance hours per flight time. You do not see it but the Americans especially on Okinawa treat us poorly. The Osprey is a symbol of the American bully. If Japan buys them it will only be because the Americans are blackmailing the politicians. I would ask that NSA man if America taps Japans phones?.

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OssanAmerica Jun. 17, 2013 - 08:45AM JST

The current Japanese constitution was drafted by the Shidehara cabinet and submitted to GHQ for approval. It was promulgated on November 3, 1946 and took effect on May 3, 1947. The new constitution was enthusiastically welcomed by the nation and the date it took effect was celebrated all across the nation with pomp and circumstance. The people felt and thought the nation was truly reborn from an evil empire into a pacifist democracy. Article 9 of the constitution was thus the manifestation of the Japanese people's remorse of the war and the devastation it brought about not only in itself but also in neighboring countries. It was a beam of hope for post-WW II Japan. May 3 is a big national holiday today in Japan.

But what has the U.S. government done since 1950? It forced Japan to rearm, first to create National Police Reserve (1950), then National Security Force (1952) and finally JSDF (1954), a full-fledged armed forces despite its name. Japan's 2013 military expenditure ranks fifth, after Great Britain. With Washington's encouragement as a catalyst, the remnants of right wingers in Japanese society became re-activated, thus causing frictions with its neighboring countries over history, comfort women issues and what not.

And you imperialist-minded guys, OssanAmerica, persist in saying that all this is the end result of Japan's defeat in the war. History will remember the U.S. as the most hypocritical democracy on earth!

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Who, with all due respect, cares?

Well if you pay taxes in Japan you should care because if Japan's military force isn't training during peace time than it is effectively a useless force. So you should care about the fact that they are using your tax dollars efficiently and effectively by maintaining a trained force that is gaining new skills to help protect Japan during an armed conflict and to relieve the suffering of those during a natural disaster.

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Forget Osprey. Gotta stoke that ship full of drones to boost my investment in Aerovironment man!

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