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We Japanese do NOT ask for this kind of carpet bombing punishment. Don't punish 99.999% good people because of 0.001% criminals.

By the way today US Marine Okinawa boss was replaced. Was it because of the incident or just a regular personnel change?

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Actually think the ban is totally necessary. The sailors can drink on base.

Kitzrow, you are mistaken about this. Currently Sailors can not drink in town, on base, or even in their own house.

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He was arrested by J-police, released within a day or 2. Busted down to E-1, but mysteriously received orders to report stateside before he could face any Japanese justice.

He would not have been released by the Japanese police if it was a dui, even back then, I've been here since the early 80's and if the JP's had a suspect in their hands they would not turn them over to the military until they were done.

If he was let go, and it's and IF there are other factors to the story not being told here.

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However I expect it to be ignored by many sailors.

The longer the alcohol ban, the worse. Because once they lift the ban, everyone is going to go out drinking. And drink excessively, creating more opportunities anothe "incident."

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Not sure why the US Navy did it and it is a positive move. However I expect it to be ignored by many sailors. They after all have easy access to alcohol.

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@Yubaru. I once knew a young lance cooley back n' late 80's, DUI w/ injury on Japanese citizen. (I don't know how serious the injury).

He was arrested by J-police, released within a day or 2. Busted down to E-1, but mysteriously received orders to report stateside before he could face any Japanese justice.

No dimentia here. I've seen lots of other things posted on the mainland. Not okinawa though.

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Yup. I saw that before . . . lots of crimes / incidents were swept under the rug. See what they come up with after this new SOFA deal they're working on.

If you have seen it before then you are older than a dinosaur because it has't happened since prior to the reversion in 1972. So, to have seen it, you would be at least in your 70's maybe 80's, which also explains the dimentia.

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getting into accidents off base and then getting "shipped out" magically before they have to pay if it's their fault

Yup. I saw that before . . . lots of crimes / incidents were swept under the rug. See what they come up with after this new SOFA deal they're working on.

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Ouch a ban on alcohol what's a guy to do in Japan if you are a sailor?! Oh yeah murder innocent people, rape, kidnapping, random assaults, getting into accidents off base and then getting "shipped out" magically before they have to pay if it's their fault, being rude, loud, obnoxious and ignorant of Japanese culture?! I'm sure the US Armed forces will figure out some way to keep busy!

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Foreign tourists have no interest in Okinawa, they can just as easily go to more exotic places

People's ignorance has no bounds. Okinawa now gets over 1,000,000 foreign tourists per year and nearly a total of 9,000,000 total as well. By the way, that's as much or even more than Hawaii.

So please stop talking outta your butt.

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RE: Jumin Rhee: And watch more prohibition era problems arise. Not to mention, most civilians could claim their contract they signed didn't mention and if they did go ahead with the ban, they could strike, refusing to work and sue for breach of contract. And Admiral, you better not drink either - so get rid of your wine locker that senior officers get. Solidarity, mate.

What is needed is prohibition era and doubt problems would arise but rather responsibility and honor system, not to mention national pride and importantly self respect. If those civilians claim their contract they didn't sign then the solution is easy, take your boarding pass and aircraft is waiting for their departure. The conditions and amended contract says it all if they want to keep that base job that pays big bucks or is their financial support. Else get along a little doggie get along. If the contract is amended and they dont' sign many of the companies have what is called a "terminate at will" my young apprentice by either party, in other words the company or employee can quit the contract at any time. That is the way of US contracts. If the Admiral takes a sip it would be at the choice of political relations and host nation level all politics.

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Foreign tourists have no interest in Okinawa, they can just as easily go to more exotic places

Funny then that Naha/Kokusai dori was chockablock with foreign tourists when we were there last summer. Some shops you could hardly get into for people who were definitely not speaking Japanese. And no, that's not just my anecdotal impression; Foreign tourist numbers in Okinawa rose 63 percent in the 10 months through October from the same period in 2014, outpacing the nationwide gain of 48 percent, according to figures by the prefectural government and the national tourism organisation. (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/11/26/national/okinawa-business-sentiment-surpasses-bubble-era-levels-amid-strong-tourism/#.V1Y7EWMZy-I)

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It's unfortunate that the Yokosuka marines are exempted from this ban - one of the most anti-social, morally questionable bunch you could imagine

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The problem is that young sailors and soldiers are young soldiers and sailors, being young, they will do things without thinking too much on the consequences. Having been in the Army myself, I was amazed at how much my fellow soldiers loved drinking, and they spent much of their money on beer and booze. Perhaps it is from the lack of other forms of entertainment, being far from home from family, or other reasons. But sailors and soldiers like to drink, and drink a lot.

The recent arrests are being blown out of proportion, and the reactions are likewise beyond proportion. Crimes by US service members are far less common than crimes committed by locals. Locals are 80% more likely to commit crimes than US service members. Despite the large numbers of sailors and soldiers, they have behaved remarkably well. The problem is that there is no way to completely eliminate bad behavior, because people are naturally prone to making mistakes.

The effects of this punishment will be felt most by the countless bars, clubs, and convenience stores around the bases. They will see a significant drop in their sales of alcohol, which makes up a great part of their bottom line. Many businesses are entirely dependent on the custom of service members, and they are going to be in for rough times this summer. The owners of these businesses are going to make their own feelings felt to their local leaders, who will also feel the pinch as reduced sales means reduced profits, salaries, and taxes. Okinawa is one of Japan's poorest prefectures, and though they hate to admit it, the backbone of their economy is the US base. It is the largest supplier of well-paying jobs, and the service personnel (who like soldiers and sailors anywhere, prefer to spend than save), contribute heavily to the local shops, stores, etc.

It is interesting to visit the towns which were built around US bases in America and other places, and to see the effect closing bases has. Those larger cities with other business infrastructure handle base closures well enough, but the medium and smaller size cities have faced economic collapse. Okinawa is not one of the more well-off places, it's main source of income outside military spending is Japanese tourism, and this has been on the decline in recent years. Foreign tourists have no interest in Okinawa, they can just as easily go to more exotic places like Bali, Phuket, Hawaii, or the south Pacific.

Onaga would have an interesting time placating his people when his tax base suffers a dramatic cut, unemployment jumps, and even more people flee Okinawa for Tokyo and Osaka. He and the other old farts can then lobby the central government for more aid, and see what kind of response they get.

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@MsDelicious: the guy might injure himself or get out and trio in front of oncoming car on street or do drunk driving or falling by rolling upstairbtomownstair. If the guy drink too many, somrat. Maybe he uses only one after keep rest in refrigerator. Somdepend on. And kid might drink. Maybe mom bought diet sodas?

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So if the guys wife buys him a six pack for home, and his kids see him drinking it, are they told to rat on him?

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So should police arrest a group of people because a very small percentage of that group committed a crime? Still a small percentage of military that committed those crimes.

It's group punishment - a technique regularly used by military world wide.

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JT needs to stop cherry picking important statements and information when re-posting articles here. This should clarify information to those that think that they will just drink on base.

"Effective immediately, sailors are prohibited from drinking alcohol, on and off base. Additionally, all off-base liberty will be curtailed," a statement from the 7th Fleet and U.S. Naval Forces Japan said Monday.

So should police arrest a group of people because a very small percentage of that group committed a crime? Still a small percentage of military that committed those crimes.

So you choose to extrapolate the issue to the level that the police should arrest them all? Reread my post, it's an explanation of why this has happened and you like too many others choose to pick one piece of the puzzle and refuse to look at the entire picture. You hammer on one specific point but miss the most important one.

Even the Gov of Okinawa is NOT against having the US Military in Japan. He just wants a more equitable sharing of the bases throughout the country. If the US is going to be here, then the entire country should share in the burden.

So, any and all incidents, big or small, WILL get blown out of proportion, and the US Military will knee-jerk react in their effort to be good neighbors.

Outside of a few but overly loud anti-base folks, most people are aware that the military HAVE been good neighbors for a long time. Most people are aware that the military has done a commendable job of cleaning up it's act here and incidents have fallen dramatically, due to changes in how the military educates its people.

Most people are also aware that incidents happen too, hell the Japanese have them in even greater numbers. Folks just have to learn to read between the lines, there is a bigger game being played here and these incidents are all a part of the bigger show. The US Military has been forced into a corner and have to react with these stricter restrictions because the game has changed and the focus on Okinawa is very strong right now.

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Part of the problem is there has never been a national discussion in Japan on what Okinawa’s role in national security should be. Many Okinawans do not believe mainland Japanese residents understand their military-related problems. The majority of people in the mainland acknowledge the importance of U.S. Japan security alliance, yet they allow the unfair concentration of military bases on Okinawa.

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Agree with the above post. Over reaction. The Japanese police force also has idiots who commit crimes when drunk but for some reason the Japanese public doesn't demand that all cops stop drinking or riding trains where groping is a regular occurrence. Perhaps the US forces should implement a no dickheads policy but then where would they get their marines from :-)? 10 years ago they lowered the standard required for enlistees to boost numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe they should lift them again. With the exception of some young drunk army guys in a club in Roppongi all my interactions with US forces in Japan have been very positive. They are great ambassadors for their country. Young drunk guys are always going to do stupid things, myself included.

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Stupid knee jerk reaction by a senior officer pressured by a weak political system. During the past 50 years there's been hundreds of crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan. It's only since the internet and the nosey press media started to bombshell all of us with the smallest acts of a very very few bad apples in our forces. There will always be crimes committed by a bad individual in our ranks booze or no booze. If Japan can't handle the fact that there will always be a crime by someone in our military then threaten them will a pullout of all forces. Look at the crime statistics in the local Yokosuka area and do a percentage analysis on 18,500 Japanese citizens during a year. You'll see that our military are saints compared to hideous crimes committed locally.

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It's an irrelevant comparison. poor choice of words in my opinion since had it not been for MacArthur and the New Deal would have been in place doubtful Japan would be where it is today and not the 52nd state of the US as spoils of war, remember it was Japan that attacked the US not the other way around, and easily could be realistically like Korea broken in two parts down the middle one side US the other Russia, but on the other hand China is a key interested party in all this with a broken alliance and these incidents only handing Japan towards China.

****Japan was already one of the five world powers until the WW2.Japan is a Sovereign and an independent nation. Japan defeated Russia during the WW1 and was about to repeat during WW2.Japan will do fine with it´s neighbors and probably play a key role on their full development, Japan´s balanced and constructive leadership will always be crucial. God Bless the ALLIANCE.

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Yubaru:

So should police arrest a group of people because a very small percentage of that group committed a crime? Still a small percentage of military that committed those crimes.

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It's a shame everyone has to suffer for the acts of one or two

I wonder why you, or anyone for that matter, thinks it's because of one or two? It's because of the 3 guys back in 1995 who raped a 12 year old girl. It's because an airplane crashed into an elementary school in the 50's, it's because a truck made a U-turn in a special needs school driveway and "scared" the crap out of the kids(according to the teachers who told them to be afraid and the media who took their orders to pay it up too)

You see it's not about any one specific incident, it's about all of them.

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Quote by keitai: this is typical. they did this to us in bootcamp... 1 person causes trouble, and the rest of us do pushups while the one that caused trouble counts the pushups!

Not sure what bootcamp this is, but I assure you the person causing the problem would not have been counting at the boot camp I took part in. We would have been doing them all together and counting out loud as we were doing them (swearing under our breath at the guy who caused this).

Actually think the ban is totally necessary. The sailors can drink on base.

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I spent six years in the navy 30 years ago and for a while I was under a base-wide drinking ban. The only people this really affects are those who can't go through life without alcohol. The rest of us just bided our time until the restrictions expired.

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In the state I live in USA, people under 20years old are prohibited to drink.

In my state, CA, its 21. But usually we start drinking at about 18-19. The sad thing here is that those US servicemen / women are well into their mid 20's and 30's . . . but since they work for "uncle sam", he tells them what they can & cannot do.

@Wc626: I don't drink alcoholic beverage

I suggest you wet ur whistle once in a while. Its okay to have a few alcoholic beverages. Just drink responsibly. Don't buzz-drive, unless you got the brass pass.

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Send them back. They will be more expensive guards after trump comes anyway.

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@Wc626: I don't drink alcoholic beverage but is there minimum drinking age in Japan? In the state I live in USA, people under 20years old are prohibited to drink.

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Reading all these comments about not drinking is giving me a definite yen for a gin and tonic! (would normally have a cup of tea).

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Careful...they just might.

Just might what? Make sum pruno or assault another female. Darn .. these servicemen / women are really giving all Americans here a "black-eye."

. . . . but I guess the top brass in the chain-of-command must take control. Lest the joint chiefs bck in the Pentagon start rolling their heads. Crap rolls downhill, from DC to the recent victim(s) in Okinawa.

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Robert Sultrily Rossi:

Sailors are unable to leave until their tour of duty is over. They are given choice of 2-3 locations, but navy has final say. They're not so much guests as indentured servants of the guest (US govt).

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Wc626:

Careful...they just might.

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Ohh my. Its barely Monday, will they be making pruno by next Fri / Sat night?

Interesting. The ban is aimed @sailors only? What about the Marines? (since they fall under, the Dept of the Navy). What about all those Army dogs on Zama? The 4th of July is around the corner, should get interesting.

What's next, banning J-porn from US sailors? So that they won't get the urge to sexual assault / rape he local women.

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Just let them have their booze they deserve that. They are not the bad guys.

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it's not a matter of drinking.. US people have to understand that they are guests in Japan.. and have to respect japanese people.. or can go back to USA and drink how much they want...

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Bjjohnson23:

"It should apply to all US civilian contractors, that can easily be amended in any US contract ..."

^^^*^^^

And watch more prohibition era problems arise. Not to mention, most civilians could claim their contract they signed didn't mention and if they did go ahead with the ban, they could strike, refusing to work and sue for breach of contract. And Admiral, you better not drink either - so get rid of your wine locker that senior officers get. Solidarity, mate.

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We have a long history of this kind of incidents happening around US bases! People have been harassed/raped/robbed or killed!! By US soldiers looking for a good time! Being stationed in Japan it's like going on vacation for these people! Some Americans seem to worry about the financial health of those business without the support of drunken, rude, violent Americans buying those goods! We don't need you to buy anything Japanese, your presence and bases are not welcome! The only reason your there is because of how WW2 ended! For America's interest!! It's time to separate ourselves from this cancerous relationship, one step at a time!!

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individuals that post comments on this site obviously have a negative opinion about Navy personnel.

In Japan- yes, In Germany- No, In England-Yes. Young USA drunks forget the-the-the side of the road they're supposed to drive on

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They should treat those sailors like illegal immigrants; they don't belong there

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To stereotype everyone as bad, as a drunk or irresponsible is such a misguided way to think.

Who did that?

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Extremely harsh reaction/decision from the top brass on this one. It's also really unfortunate that individuals that post comments on this site obviously have a negative opinion about Navy personnel. I have several friends that I meet up with when I can. Nice guys that up until now really enjoyed going to an izakaya, eat some good food, enjoy some nice cold mugs of beer and just have a good time. These fellas are always very courteous and extremely polite anyplace I have ever gone with them. To stereotype everyone as bad, as a drunk or irresponsible is such a misguided way to think. You are really misinformed.

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I've met numerous people stationed at Yokosuka and something they all have in common is that they're some of the nicest and most courteous people I've ever met. Never had the pleasure to meet anyone stationed in Okinawa but I can't imagine them to be any different.

Having said that, all military personnel in Japan should be cognizant of the fact that they're under constant scrutiny for the very incidents brought up in the article. They should also be aware that any screw-ups will potentially bring punishment on all of them. I know these things and I'm not even in the military or work near a US base.

So this incident happened during the 30-day period from a previous, more heinous, incident? This alcohol ban, which is really a slap on the wrist, is a good reminder that US military personnel here simply can't cause trouble.

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The commander of U.S. naval forces in Japan should get a dog and name it "Repent" The dog should be able to roam free around the camp. When the commander wants his dog to return home he should walk around the camp calling for the Dog to return home. "Repent ~ Repent" I can hear him shouting all over the camp

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re: The restrictions do not apply to family members and civilian U.S. contractors, which brings the total number of people to 35,000, but they are being encouraged to observe the rules “in a spirit of solidarity,” a spokesman for the U.S. Navy said.

It should apply to all US civilian contractors, that can easily be amended in any US contract that is after all in place to support yes, you guessed it, the US military. IF that is the case I seriously doubt that any US company would allow such behavior to be a representation of the company with any kind of discourteous behavior and drinking and driving is not tolerated by any US company to begin with, so amend the contracts immediately should take care of this problem or else no contract. This way a US company will comply if they want to do business in Japan on any military base.

re: The 'Japanese alcoholics' are drinking in their homeland. They belong here. The Americans are not. It's an irrelevant comparison. poor choice of words in my opinion since had it not been for MacArthur and the New Deal would have been in place doubtful Japan would be where it is today and not the 52nd state of the US as spoils of war,,remember it was Japan that attacked the US not the other way around, and easily could be realistically like Korea broken in two parts down the middle one side US the other Russia, but on the other hand China is a key interested party in all this with a broken alliance and these incidents only handing Japan towards China.

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All U.S. Navy sailors in Japan will be kept on base and banned from drinking until “all personnel understand the impact of responsible behavior on the U.S.-Japan alliance,” the press release said. “Sailors living off base will be allowed to travel to and from base and conduct only “essential activities.”

JT needs to do a better job here of disseminating information, as THIS is not accurate. This restriction only covers the sailors who are assigned to the Navy's 7th Fleet stationed in Japan.

People often tend to forget that there are plenty of sailors assigned to Marine Corp units throughout Japan and the world and those sailors here in Okinawa and Japan that are on duty with Marine units are NOT affected by this ban.

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Things were getting out of hand and it was a hard decision to make. I feel sorry for all the US Military alcoholics, but hopefully these people can get the help they need, become better people and live healthy enlightened lives. Enjoy Okinawa drug free and see the real beauty.

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mitokomonalex,

Your post was so spot on i've reposted it here.

i cannot imagine why someone gave it a "bad" rating:

The only reason for this restriction is due to the upcoming nationwide upper house election in July. The Japanese Defense Ministry knows that it is getting harder to placate the populace "hosting" the US military. Witness the election on Okinawa yesterday where the LDP no longer have a majority over Governor Onaga. The CIA and thinktanks are really working overtime these days and false flags do not work with the world being more connected by the internet.

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Rear Admiral Matthew Carter is not going not have his cold brew after he gets home?

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Well the typical knee jerk reaction to an incident of such magnitude is usually mass punishment , the only problem with that is it will lead to more incidents in the future due to pent up anger and frustration,hen you have service men and women under the age of 30 the worst thing you can do is restrict whatever bit of fun or "freedom " they have.nif all the previous lockdowns,restrictions cane curfews of the past did not deter my of the current situations we have seen then that should be an indication that some other measures need to be taken.it is not a good thing to punish people who have been doing the right thing all along just because of one individual.

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The military people stationed in Okinawa are so damn immature. Their behavior is absolutely disgraceful...This ban is totally welcomed...hope they learn to grow up a little.

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As I feel bad for the innocent military personnel, this was bound to happen sooner or later. She broke the rule of drinking off base (plus driving and causing an bad accident). That's the straw the broke the camel's back. Don't be too hard on the commander's decision, because there have been countless bad incidents happening in Okinawa from the last few years, and those people are still screwing up down there. It's so bad there that they imposed curfew on my military friends up here on the main island. All military personnel is affected by their bad decisions.

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We have seen mutinies for less than that.

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that's not fair.

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I want to see a drinking ban and a curfew imposed on all citizens of Japan the next time a Japanese person is arrested for drunk driving.

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This hit the sailors where it hurts. Sailors are known to drink like a fish.

I am hoping they quickly come to the desired understanding and refrain from acting like .... drunken sailors.

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I hope the drinking ban is best forever. Good for health! Surely can become good driver.

to show kinder side, may give them Yebisu’s cold-detecting beer cans with 0% alcohol (!)

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I am off to Okinawa. There must be a permanent happy hour in the off base bars now.

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Feel bad for these guys and gals. It is OK for just about anyone else in the prefecture to eff up but not anyone even remotely connected to the military. Damn shame. Glad I got out long before all this overreaction to everything.

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I hope the drinking ban is best forever. Good for health! Surely can become good driver.

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A good example of "knee-jerk" reaction. But, there it is.

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this is typical. they did this to us in bootcamp... 1 person causes trouble, and the rest of us do pushups while the one that caused trouble counts the pushups/

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Rear Admiral Carter made the right call on this as unfortunate as it is. I can only imagine the pressure he is under from within Okinawa, from the Japanese Central Government, and from his superiors in the U.S.

Not sure how long this ban will last (I am guessing lifted before July 4) but I think all things considered it had to be done.

Yeah, that is life in the military.

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All U.S. Navy sailors in Japan will be kept on base and banned from drinking until “all personnel understand the impact of responsible behavior on the U.S.-Japan alliance

How random is that?? what do they mean "until all personnel understand the impact of responsible behavior on the U.S.-Japan alliance"? And how the hell do you determine that ALL personnel have finally come to understand it? Who determines that and how? What if there is only 1 idiot who still doesn't get it? What do you do?

My guess, the ban will be lifted in a couple of weeks just as soon as things cool down a bit.

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If you were a US sailor deployed in other country would this drinking ban excepts you?

No it would not. However, it depends on what the 7th Fleet Commander wants to do. Already there are restrictions for Navy personnel on ships who operate in East Asia. E5 and below have to be back to the ship by midnight or in an approved hotel if they are visiting another country. In theory they could say if you are a Japan based ship, you need to comply with this but I don't think that they will. If you are a Sailor coming to Japan for temporary duty or leave from the USA, this rule will apply to you.

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The only reason for this restriction is due to the upcoming nationwide upper house election in July. The Japanese Defense Ministry knows that it is getting harder to placate the populace "hosting" the US military. Witness the election on Okinawa yesterday where the LDP no longer have a majority over Governor Onaga. The CIA and thinktanks are really working overtime these days and false flags do not work with the world being more connected by the internet.

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Clueless, If you knew how bad it sucks to be stationed with a bunch of drunks.

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Interesting to see how this ban will effect the local economy.

Not everyone wants this ban within the civilian population. But they wont admit to it if asked.

It must really suck to be stationed in Japan now.

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If you were a US sailor deployed in other country would this drinking ban excepts you?

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It's a shame everyone has to suffer for the acts of one or two, but there you go. Hopefully those who blame the US for their own problems will start addressing their own problems now instead of just plain old being angry. Hopefully they are still going to start working on those laws like they promised the other day, even with the new drinking ban in place.

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Well... about time that they got tough on their personnel.

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