U.S. public health agency CDC sets up office in Tokyo

For over 75 years, CDC has been a leader in helping our country and others *around the world 

Helping around the world is not the same as being a global authority, Doctors without borders have a presence in 77 countries, but neither them nor the CDC claim to be a global authority. The WHO on the other hand is constituted as one and presents itself as such

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/librariesprovider2/country-sites/kyrgystan/the-world-health-organization-in-kyrgyzstan.pdf?sfvrsn=9a9a614e_4

The World Health Organization (WHO) is the global authority on public health within the United Nations. We collaborate with the governments of 194 Member States to ensure the highest attainable level of health for all.

When the own CDC disagrees with what you say about the agency they are a much better source to know their role.

The WHO has ZERO legal authority anywhere, so it is not an authority according to your definition.

That is not my definition, but yours. This is of course just again making the false equivalence between being a scientific or medical authority and being a legal authority, which makes no sense, that would be like saying a doctor is not a medical authority just because it cannot force a patient legally to take a treatment.

But it makes perfectly clear that the CDC is not a global authority in their own definition, it is only a national agency. 

No.

*For over 75 years, CDC has been a leader in helping our country and others *around the world 

https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/countries/default.htm

But according to your own definition not something that would make it an authority since it does not have legal powers above the US government,

The WHO has ZERO legal authority anywhere, so it is not an authority according to your definition.

Comparing a local hospital to the CDC is like comparing a travel agency to an airplane.

But it makes perfectly clear that the CDC is not a global authority in their own definition, it is only a national agency. The WHO on the other hand is defined as the world's public health authority.

Besides, here is proof the CDC is global. From their own site:

Which of course is not the same as being the global authority which was the claim, many chains have shops in scores of countries, that does not make any of them an authority on their field, only global.

In 70 countries. A true global health authority.

So are a lot of multinational companies, that is not an argument to consider something the world's health authority (and in comparison the WHO has 150 of those offices if that is your argument you are arguing for the WHO to have this recognition).

And long history of launching international health solutions

But according to your own definition not something that would make it an authority since it does not have legal powers above the US government, nor it is defined as an international authority either.

The CDC has previously opened regional offices

In 70 countries. A true global health authority.

And long history of launching international health solutions;

CDC sent a team of Epidemic Intelligence Service Officers to Southeast Asia to work on smallpox and cholera outbreaks. 

https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?url=https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/resources/reports/annual/2022/timeline.html

Local hospitals can have international collaborations as well, does this make each of them "the" global health authority? of course not.

???

Local hospitals can have international collaborations as well, does this make each of them "the" global health authority? of course not.

Comparing a local hospital to the CDC is like comparing a travel agency to an airplane.

Besides, here is proof the CDC is global. From their own site:

CDC has staff in more than 60 country offices and six regional offices 

https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/countries/default.htm

The CDC continues to take the lead as the world health authority in the wake of the WHO's abysmal failures and incessant infighting leading to disorganization and chaos within the agency.

Yet you are completely unable to prove it has any authority above the level of the US goverment, not to count the CDC itself do not claim to be "the" world health authority and instead it follows WHO guidelines routinely.

The CDC is headed by a medical doctor while the WHO is not even run by a medical doctor.

That is still the same false equivalence, for public health matters a doctorate in public health is a much more appropiate qualification than a being just a medical doctor. Not to count that the CDC do not have world wide legal authority, therefore your are arguing that it is not a global authority.

More evidence of the CDC's global influence.

Local hospitals can have international collaborations as well, does this make each of them "the" global health authority? of course not.

The CDC has previously opened regional offices in countries including Brazil, Oman and Vietnam.

The CDC continues to take the lead as the world health authority in the wake of the WHO's abysmal failures and incessant infighting leading to disorganization and chaos within the agency.

The CDC has offices in 60 countries, while the WHO only has offices in 15 countries.

The CDC is headed by a medical doctor while the WHO is not even run by a medical doctor.

"International collaboration, transparency, and science, especially among partner countries like Japan, are key,"

More evidence of the CDC's global influence.

Starting with the fact the CDC has offices in 60 countries.

So are a lot of multinational companies, that is not an argument to consider something the world's health authority (and in comparison the WHO has 150 of those offices if that is your argument you are arguing for the WHO to have this recognition).

No, because as you wrote, the hospital is "local".

And the CDC is "national" they say so themselves

https://www.cdc.gov/about/index.html

CDC is the nation’s leading science-based, data-driven, service organization that protects the public’s health.

You have again proved your claim is mistaken.

A medical authority, led by a medical doctor, with legal authority trumps a health agency not headed by a medical doctor.

That is still the same false equivalence, for public health matters a doctorate in public health is a much more appropiate qualification than a being just a medical doctor. Not to count that the CDC do not have world wide legal authority, therefore your are arguing that it is not a global authority.

Scope of CDC Authority Under Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (PHSA)

See, your own source proves the scope of the CDC do not surpass the national level, for example

In September 2020, the CDC—in the broadest invocation of its Section 361 authority to date—issued an order that nationally halted residential evictions for certain tenants under specified conditions.

This contradicts the claim you made about it having world wide legal authority. The previously provided references clearly show the CDC has a lot of criticism that is even unresolved right now as well.

I mean the title of this article is "U.S. public health agency CDC sets up office in Tokyo" not "World's public health agency"

What part of that supposedly proves that the CDC is the world health's authority? 

Starting with the fact the CDC has offices in 60 countries.

would a local hospital saying they care about health in the world make that hospital the same?

No, because as you wrote, the hospital is "local". So that does not change the CDC from being a global health authority with its 60 global (plus local) offices.

This is of course just again making the false equivalence between being a scientific or medical authority and being a legal authority, which makes no sense, that would be like saying a doctor is not a medical authority just because it cannot force a patient legally to take a treatment.

A medical authority, led by a medical doctor, with legal authority trumps a health agency not headed by a medical doctor. There is much more legitimate oversight, and therefore more respect for the CDC, as per the global medical and science consensus.

Scope of CDC Authority Under Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (PHSA)

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46758

Is Japan the 51st state of the U.S.A.? Maybe, not on surface, at least for now. But Washington treats it as such. 

How is an office clearly focused in scientific cooperation making Japan less sovereign? this is something the US have done in other countries and do not bring any kind of extra power over Japan, if anything is much more likely to be related to the projected formation of the Japan CDC institution.

I've seen Walensky (former head of CDC) and other officials questioned under oath. They struggle to weasel their way out of answering the questions; but they do finally admit that their early statements were wrong and based on the available data at the time.

What statements? and specially what do you think is bad about making statements based on the best available evidence of the time? That is the only valid source to make conclusions and obviously nobody has access to a time machine to make conclusions about things that will be known only in the future.

Despite their having little or no data, their incorrect early statements were made as if it was settled science. They are not trustworthy.

Having limited data to support a recommendation is still much better than having data contradicting the recommendations, which is something repeatedly done by people that you have qualified as trustworthy.

Under questioning, it was also clear that Walensky's statements as CDC head were influenced by the Biden administration; i.e., they are not free to express their unbiased scientific opinion....

What statements? what exactly contradicted the scientific consensus of the time? because matters that concern policy can validly be decided taking into account things that are different from science, things like resources or logistics for example.

That's about to change very soon.

Not at all, even if the pandemic treaty is put into action that would not mean the WHO would have the authority to override any government (something that of course also applies to the CDC, that only have the authority granted by the US government). This misrepresentation has been debunked for more than a year already.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-world-health-organization-pandemic-treaty-212446302001

The WHO has no such enforcement mechanisms, and its non-binding recommendations to member states are just that: non-binding. Any associated actions at the national level will remain reserved to sovereign states

This is of course just again making the false equivalence between being a scientific or medical authority and being a legal authority, which makes no sense, that would be like saying a doctor is not a medical authority just because it cannot force a patient legally to take a treatment.

The WHO has no legal authority in any country.

That's about to change very soon.

Under questioning, it was also clear that Walensky's statements as CDC head were influenced by the Biden administration; i.e., they are not free to express their unbiased scientific opinion....

I've seen Walensky (former head of CDC) and other officials questioned under oath. They struggle to weasel their way out of answering the questions; but they do finally admit that their early statements were wrong and based on the available data at the time. Despite their having little or no data, their incorrect early statements were made as if it was settled science. They are not trustworthy.

Personally, I would not trust anything coming out from the CDC. They are just another bureaucratic arm of the USA government and will only release info that has been OK'd by said officials.

Is Japan the 51st state of the U.S.A.? Maybe, not on surface, at least for now. But Washington treats it as such. Anyone who voices a criticism on that is dubbed as a visceral anti-American. What a world!

The CDC aspires to create a world where people – in the United States and around the globe – live healthier, safer, and longer lives.

What part of that supposedly proves that the CDC is the world health's authority?

would a local hospital saying they care about health in the world make that hospital the same?

True, and true.

It was easy to demonstrate the CDC has their own scandals, it was also easy to prove the WHO has repeatedly criticized China, that means both things have been demonstrated as false.

And of course zero support for the claim of the CDC being anything above a national agency that is concerned with the interests of the US, not the world.

Here's the WHO giving wrong advice; the CDC giving correct advice:

At april of 2020, four months after it completely followed the same recommendations, the same as the health authorities in Japan that did the same, you are disproving your own point.

Let's look at the headline:

Still irrelevant since this comes 4 years back, during these four years the criticism of the WHO for China has been widely reported, thus contradicting your claim.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/06/health/who-china-share-covid/index.html

Why keep pretending the world stopped four years ago? this in no way supports your claim that the CDC is the world's health authority, it is not even related at all.

No, it did not, the experts in Japan clearly made the same recommendations.

Here's the WHO giving wrong advice; the CDC giving correct advice:

*WHO says there is no need for healthy people to wear face masks,** days after the CDC told all Americans to cover their faces*

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-no-need-for-healthy-people-to-wear-face-masks-2020-4

The WHO repeatedly, clearly, explicitly criticized China 

Let's look at the headline:

*WHO Praises China** as Country That Deserves 'Gratitude and Respect'*

https://www.newsweek.com/who-praises-china-country-that-deserves-gratitude-respect-some-question-coronavirus-1484716

Obviously not the case.

Of course it is, vaccinations and treatment regimens are adequated to WHO recommendations, even using WHO originated units to do it.

Japan ignored the WHO's advice to not wear masks by the general public. 

No, it did not, the experts in Japan clearly made the same recommendations.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200207/k10012277301000.html

This link where the authorities recommend the same thing (for masks to be prioritized for hospitals and people in direct contact with symptomatic patients) has been given to you every time you make this mistaken claim, why keep repeating it when it is so clearly disproved.

And the CDC is not constantly mired in scandal.

Of course it is, many criticisms have been made about it, specially during the covid pandemic

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/17/1117904729/cdc-reorganization-walensky-covid

https://www.statnews.com/2023/06/07/cdc-covid-response-reform-plan/

The WHO praised China's handling of the Covid crisis, and has never been respected since.

The WHO repeatedly, clearly, explicitly criticized China after it became clear it was not acting responsibly against the pandemic, enough to make the Chinese government reply in anger against those criticisms.

And of course none of this supports your claim of the CDC being the world's health authority, it is again just a national agency. looking after the interests of the US, not the world's.

The world's health authority would be the WHO, the CDC is only an agency of the US government. Japan for example follows WHO guidelines for many public health related matters.

Obviously not the case.

Japan ignored the WHO's advice to not wear masks by the general public. The WHO has no legal authority in any country. The CDC does have legal authority in the US. nd Japan actually follows CDC guidelines for public health related matters.

And the CDC is not constantly mired in scandal.

The WHO praised China's handling of the Covid crisis, and has never been respected since.

Right. Gain of function research funded by the US taxpayer. Not sure I'm looking forward to it, though.

Every laboratory working with pathogens and that have any kind of cooperation agreement with the CDC, NIH, etc. would be in the same situation, gain of function is a basic requirement to conduct even simple research on viruses, bacteria, parasites, etc.

If China is not going to be forth coming with Chinese born diseases then Japan is the next choice.

Asian countries closer to China would be better choices, Japan is much more likely to isolate and it is not particularly prone to originate diseases.

oh that’s reassuring…. NOT !!! Corrupt to its core and in bed with pharma’s.

Any actual proof of these accusations? if not that is just a baseless conspiracy theory. No specific kind of research nor vaccine is mentioned in the article, so what exactly are you talking about?

Good timing to have the world's health authority set up camp here.

The world's health authority would be the WHO, the CDC is only an agency of the US government. Japan for example follows WHO guidelines for many public health related matters.

Bad move, more control coming to Japan.

What control are you talking about?

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The relationship between Washington and Tokyo may not be that between the victors of WW II and the defeated but rather like the federal government versus a state government in the U.S. So, it’s quite natural for CDC to have a branch office in Tokyo.

Incidentally, the full, official name of CDC is not Center for Disease Control but Centers for Disease Control. I checked it with them.

The relationship between Washington and Tokyo may not be that between the victors of WW II and the defeated but rather like the federal government and a state government in the U.S. So, it’s quite natural for CDC to have a branch office in Tokyo.

Bad move, more control coming to Japan.

Japan is a big grown up country and is perfectly capable of monitoring diseases and sharing that information with the US without the need of a branch of the US government setting up shop in Tokyo.

Looking forward to them opening more branch offices in Beijing and Shanghai, just in case the deceitful Chinese are planning any more releases of deadly viruses - they are never to be trusted.

Right. Gain of function research funded by the US taxpayer. Not sure I'm looking forward to it, though.

Good move. Japan and the USA can benefit from collaborative work.

Good. Can’t hurt. They got a lot more on the ball than their Japanese counterparts anyway because healthcare in the US is all private and big pharma and government are in bed together and they get the funding… for better or worse. Actually the CDC makes things better for everyone in world except for the people in the US who can’t afford healthcare!

Looking forward to them opening more branch offices in Beijing and Shanghai, just in case the deceitful Chinese are planning any more releases of deadly viruses - they are never to be trusted.

Japan is always on the frontline of any pandemic coming out of China before it reaches other first world nations. Unlike Russia taht uses refugees to disrupt other countries, Chinese creates more chaos by spreading infections.

If China is not going to be forth coming with Chinese born diseases then Japan is the next choice. In return, the CDC can help Japan develop better responses to China and other countries "biological weapons."

I'd trust what comes out of the CDC well before anything that comes out of the Chinese government. Still no answer to Covid19's origin, no cooperation. Japan is the logical place to set up an office.

oh that’s reassuring…. NOT !!! Corrupt to its core and in bed with pharma’s. It’s not science anymore. It’s “agenda science” and money is at the drivers seat. Look at all the research these days. If you do this kind of study, you won’t get any future funding. All major mainstream media theses days get up 50% of their revenue from pharmas, thus they won’t report on anything negative as their adds will get pulled and these major cable news groups will shutter with dwindling ratings and add revenue. Shionogi is in clinical trials now for a Japan COVID jab. Wonder if it’s the same or completely different?

Perhaps this agency can help convince Japanese officials if something were happen in the future. In the past Japan vaccines roll out were delayed because Japan demand domestic trial, even vaccines manufacture already tested with 400 Japanese outside Japan. Japanese official still not convinced, they said that Japanese in Japan are different because meal and diet are different compared to Japanese abroad. They just think that because eating natto every day can make your DNA really differ from the rest of Japanese abroad.

Hope that kind of fallacy just won't happen after this agency being established in Japan.

Good news everyone! Soon we can be told what to think and do without time zone challenges.

U.S. public health agency CDC sets up office in Tokyo

Good timing to have the world's health authority set up camp here.