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Under restrictions, U.S. F-22 fighters arrive in Japan

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I hope the Japanese lame stream media keeps their mouths shut. The F-22 Raptors are America's best.

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Pity I am not there, would want to welcome the Airmen to Okinawa. I agree Crazy Joe this is among America's best and will help to defend Japan against Chinese aggression.

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@YuriOtani

Glad to hear that.

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Usually "military intelligence" is defined by examples such as the deployment of the Osprey. The F-22 deployment proves it isn't always true.

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Leave military intelligence to the 441st Military Intelligence Battalion at Camp Zama .

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Japanese can sleep a little easier at night knowing the mighty Raptor is there to deter aggression from potentially hostile neighbors. The US will be forward deploying and rotating Raptor squadrons to Japan regularly to maintain a presence. It is one shit hot jet, head and shoulders above anything that adversaries can put in the sky and is America's best!

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CrazyJoeJul. 29, 2012 - 07:52AM JST I hope the Japanese lame stream media keeps their mouths shut.

About what? Everything the Associated Press reported to the entire world in the above article?

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These planes have a mind boggling amount of high tech equipment, but believe me these issues will be resolved by any means necessary. And it's still light years ahead of whatever the Chinese have come up with by stealing technology.

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OssanAmerica

I was talking about the Japanese lame stream media. Not AP.

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I'm against the cross-ownership of TV stations and the newspapers. It restricts freedom of speech. The more opinions the better.

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If we have a world war (which I wish should not take place) it would be a grand show of high tech war toys. And warplanes like F-22 will be strong part of their strategy but I personally think that the intercontinental ballistic missiles will play more vital part compared to warplanes!!

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American is great and improve the world lives with many innovations, no one deny that.But Japan is also one of most advanced countries , its civil products are welcomed all over the world.If not for the limitation in its constitution, its millitary products may also saled worldwide. So on the level of technology, Japanese is not a gorilla compared with U.S.As for the treaty, it is not aimed to protect them but instead get them in watch.

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Leave military intelligence to the 441st Military Intelligence Battalion at Camp Zama .

Can you tell us more about this unit?

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And it's still light years ahead of whatever the Chinese have come up with by stealing technology. What exactly have the Chinese come up with, which lags so far behind?

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How much does one F-22 cost to buy and operate for a year?

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F-22 cost $460 million and $40,000 for flight hour. The most expensive fighter jet in history what a waste of money for an useless jet

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Cripes, according to military.com an F-22 costs $350 million and another $3 million per year to operate.

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F-22 cost $460 million and $40,000 for flight hour. The most expensive fighter jet in history what a waste of money for an useless jet

As you say, Jared. What a crazy waste of money!

You could solve MAJOR world problems with this kind of money.

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I'm a Navy brat (long time ago) but I think it is one classy looking bird

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Placing Osprey and F-22 is an excellent of the lack of "military intelligence." It's only money seems to be the attitude that the USA taxpayers cannot continue to accept. Whatever the military wants, it gets, or the threat of world domination by a foreign power comes up. If "military intelligence were to prevail, it would understand that the military has to operate on a leaner smarter budget. The Japanese may sleep better at night, but they don't pay the bill, the USA taxpayer does, and their children, and their children.

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Oh dear, more adolescent fantasies.

Can we not admit that this technology comes at a very real cost of millions of functionally illiterate Americans; even more underinsured, sick citizens; and an increasingly polarized, less competitive nation with plummeting social mobility?

Sure makes you proud, eh?"

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"What exactly have the Chinese come up with, which lags so far behind?"

The J-20.

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CrazyJoeJul. 29, 2012 - 10:16AM JST OssanAmerica I was talking about the Japanese lame stream media. Not AP.

So what do you hope they keep their mouth shut about?

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@YuriOtani What agressions? You sound like an american JT reader, why do they think Japan has to worry about China? As long the americans are hosting their bases in Japan defenitely Japan has to worry. It's time for them to leave. Japanese can defend them by themself. Japan is the world most developed country. It has all technologies to be one of the worldbest armies. And finally Japan pays too much money for hosting the us bases. Every single year about 4 billion USD Don't forget, military bases in japan are a core strategic interest for the americans.

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Michael, Red China is trying to take territory from Indonesia, Japan, Philippines and Vietnam. I do agree the Marines bases on Okinawa need to go but the others need to remain. While we can hold off Red China for some time, once the war goes all out will need help.

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YuriOtani

Michael, Red China is trying to take territory from Indonesia, Japan, Philippines and Vietnam.

Yuri, please tell me what territory China is trying to take from Indonesia? I would love to know..... As for the territory they are trying to "take" from Philippines and Vietnam is that the same land that the Philippines and Vietnam are also fighting over. You constantly try to make China look bad by painting the story in your way. Maybe you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture in more detail.

Oh and just so you know China is not trying to take any land from Indonesia, this is just another of your many comments that have no foundation in fact.

I do agree the Marines bases on Okinawa need to go but the others need to remain. While we can hold off Red China for some time, once the war goes all out will need help.

LOL, you want US bases out but you want Japan to get more militaristic towards China, but you also want help when it all goes pearshaped on you. A few fact for you to consider, your military could not hold China off long enough for help to arrive. You military is weak and would be exposed as such, your government would dither for so long your military would be wiped out. And you Yuri spew warmongering comments from the safety of the US. I love that.

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Jared NormanJul. 29, 2012 - 06:03PM JST

F-22 cost $460 million and $40,000 for flight hour. The most expensive fighter jet in history what a waste of money for an useless jet

That's cheap for a high performance aircraft. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/42100/ <just in fuel you expect a major airliner to fetch upwards of $10k/hour, that's before adding in maintenance, the fact that the ordinance on an F22 is about 100k per combat flight (cheaper, but significant for training rounds), etc.

The cost is also research and development included, I'm sure the original price for most planes is in the 200-400 million range for first dozen or so.

Can we get some actual cost analysis?

While they are currently being limited to the service ceiling of an F15, the F22 reaches altitudes formally left up to missiles, balloons, and spy planes. As stated, they will be releasing the ceiling restrictions soon, and the plane will be able to perform duties no other aircraft in the US military can do.

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CletusJul. 30, 2012 - 01:22PM JST

you want US bases out but you want Japan to get more militaristic towards China, but you also want help when it all goes pearshaped on you. A few fact for you to consider, your military could not hold China off long enough for help to arrive. You military is weak and would be exposed as such, your government would dither for so long your military would be wiped out. And you Yuri spew warmongering comments from the safety of the US. I love that.

JSDF will soon have the similarly developed F35 (what an F16 is to an F15), and perhaps they will eventually change their minds on the F22 as well. Considering the Japanese carriers are equipped with more or less the same systems as US navy, and many of the other ships are US or British designs built by mitsubishi and others, they should hold out quite well against Top Gun rerun (J20 from China) and the five decade old half sunk russian carriers.

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basroil

JSDF will soon have the similarly developed F35 (what an F16 is to an F15),

Huh? What do you mean by what an F-16 is to a F-15. The F-16 was developed to be a cheap lightweight alternative to the F-15. It was developed as a cheaper lightweight daylight fighter that could be built in larger numbers to complement the F-15.

and perhaps they will eventually change their minds on the F22 as well.

Um the Japanese have already stated that they want the F-22 as have other nations (Australia) it is the US that is refusing to export them due to sensitive equipment.

Considering the Japanese carriers are equipped with more or less the same systems as US navy, and many of the other ships are US or British designs built by mitsubishi and others, they should hold out quite well against Top Gun rerun (J20 from China) and the five decade old half sunk russian carriers.

Sorry Basroil but the Japanese do not have carriers. They have helicopter carriers that can carry a few helicopters each, they do not have ships that can carry aircraft so your comment is some what off the mark. Not to mention the J-20 is a air superiority fighter it would be the JH-7, Q-5, or J-10.

While they are currently being limited to the service ceiling of an F15, the F22 reaches altitudes formally left up to missiles, balloons, and spy planes. As stated, they will be releasing the ceiling restrictions soon, and the plane will be able to perform duties no other aircraft in the US military can do.

Again Basroil. l dont understand your statement here, you say that the F-22 is limited to the same altitude as the F-15. Huh the F-22 has a service ceiling of 65,000 ft (restricted to 40,000 ft) while the F-15 has a service ceiling of 65,000 ft exactly the same as the F-22.

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CletusJul. 31, 2012 - 09:35AM JST

Huh? What do you mean by what an F-16 is to a F-15. The F-16 was developed to be a cheap lightweight alternative to the F-15. It was developed as a cheaper lightweight daylight fighter that could be built in larger numbers to complement the F-15.

And the F35/F22 share the same rolls.

Um the Japanese have already stated that they want the F-22 as have other nations (Australia) it is the US that is refusing to export them due to sensitive equipment.

Story is a bit trickier than that, as always. The Japanese government won't purchase them fully made, rather as kit for assembly in country as they do with most vehicles. The US is saying it's one piece or no piece.

Sorry Basroil but the Japanese do not have carriers. They have helicopter carriers that can carry a few helicopters each, they do not have ships that can carry aircraft so your comment is some what off the mark. Not to mention the J-20 is a air superiority fighter it would be the JH-7, Q-5, or J-10.

1) J-20 was made to take on the F-22, comparison was between those two and you know it.

2) What do you call the Hyuga? It can easily be used for F35 or Harrier type jets. In fact, the US navy , originally designed it for Harriers.

Huh the F-22 has a service ceiling of 65,000 ft (restricted to 40,000 ft) while the F-15 has a service ceiling of 65,000 ft exactly the same as the F-22.

Yes, that was a misreading on my part from a different article.

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CletusJul. 31, 2012 - 09:35AM JST

l dont understand your statement here, you say that the F-22 is limited to the same altitude as the F-15. Huh the F-22 has a service ceiling of 65,000 ft (restricted to 40,000 ft) while the F-15 has a service ceiling of 65,000 ft exactly the same as the F-22.

Found the mistake finally, it is currently limited to the typical combat altitude for an F15, though it can perform combat maneuvers near it's service ceiling while the F15 cannot. Interestingly, the limited flight level limits the plane's performance quite a bit.

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basroil

Story is a bit trickier than that, as always. The Japanese government won't purchase them fully made, rather as kit for assembly in country as they do with most vehicles. The US is saying it's one piece or no piece.

Actually you are incorrect, yes the Japanese would want to license build however the US has a blanket ban on sales of the aircraft pre assembled or license built by any nation. Australia for example wanted to buy US built aircraft and was denied due to the sensitivity of the parts on the aircraft. Exactly the same as the Japanese. So lm sorry but your one piece or no piece statement is totally incorrect "No opportunity for export currently exists because the export sale of the F-22 is barred by American federal law"

J-20 was made to take on the F-22, comparison was between those two and you know it.

Correct it was, its an air supremacy fighter. Your comment said it would be used to attempt to sink aircraft carriers. So you are incorrect.

What do you call the Hyuga? It can easily be used for F35 or Harrier type jets. In fact, the US navy , originally designed it for Harriers.

Um Hyuga is an anti submarine warfare carrier that is designed to operate helicopters. And no it cannot easily operate the F-35 or Harrier. It has no ski ramp to operate these aircraft therefore they would not be able to carry a useful payload. The deck is not strengthened for vertical landings of these aircraft, not to mention the forward elevator on the ship is to small to lift the F-35 only the rear one could handle it. Also the VSTOL takeoff distance for a loaded F-35 is only just shorter than the length of the Hyuga's if the aircraft starts at the extreme stern of the vessel and uses the full flight deck the USN ships that will operate this aircraft are around 200 ft longer.

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