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Sayuri Ogawa, who uses a pseudonym to protect her identity,

....except for holding a press conference and having the Meeja paste her (albeit partially hidden) face all over the shop...

and except that 'The Church' knew her identity, so could send that "message".....

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It's a pretty sick cult. Period.

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In a summarized version of the faxed message read out during the event, Sayuri Ogawa's parents called for the press conference to be halted immediately, saying their daughter has a "tendency to lie," and the psychiatric issues she said she suffers had worsened since a gunman killed former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

And where are the Keystone Kops and J. justice system to investigate the Unification Church for harassment and stalking?

And go after the Church's assets for libel and slander?

I thought laws were getting beefed up against bullying?

Maybe against some random otaku online but not against the Church I suppose.

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So, what are the names of the parents who sent this letter to try and derail things? Bet they want to keep it anonymous. And sadly, a young woman talking about her experience of being physically and mentally abused here never changes anything.

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Money, the root of all evil.

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Anyway, she is brave. Let's kick the Unification Church out.

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Well of course they are upset with her, she is trying to disrupt their business.

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I like the way the hamfisted attempt to silence her has made the story more interesting and thus ensured that more people will learn about what she has to say than otherwise would have.

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Religion is just a very efficient means of social control. All of them.

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In a summarized version of the faxed message read out during the event, Sayuri Ogawa's parents called for the press conference to be halted immediately, saying their daughter has a "tendency to lie," and the psychiatric issues she said she suffers had worsened since a gunman killed former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

In a recent Tweet, Sayuri revealed that as a kid she did love their parents especially her mother. Sadly, they had put all priority and affection to the cult, not to her child's wellbeing. A big dilemma and tragedy.

Sayuri seems to be smart and strong. She used to be a popular young leader for the cult. I wish her well.

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Truly evil cult. There' snothing like religion for destroying a person's mind. It will take her years to undo the damage the cult has done to her.

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He relationship with her husband seems to have done wonders.

She said she's over her troubles which is why she was able to give this talk.

Let's hope the cult collapses soon.

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Congratulations Ms. Ogawa, the majority of the Japanese people are with you and will stand behind you in your struggle, You Are NOT Alone, you speak not only for yourself but for all other members who can't, God Bless Yoou.

The disgusting leaders of the UC will do everything they can to stop you and other members from speaking the truth, but they will FAIL for the simple fact that you speak TRUTH.

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The world has more religions, churches to bow down and worship that one could wave a stick at, the last thing Japan needs is a poisonous cancerous cult, Moonies pretending to be one.

Cast the cult out.

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""I believe many of the people who are watching this will know who is evil," Ogawa said ""

Yes, people know and that's why the UC is trying to stop you.

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Public and law should come down hard on these people. Not just the cult but the politicians involved. Let them become a pariah.

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Good for her! Down with the UC CULT!

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Good for her.

It's important to speak up even though they will use underhanded tactics to try to silence you and the truth.

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The press conference, including English translation, can be seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbJvAN5RhnA

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"So, what are the names of the parents who sent this letter to try and derail things? Bet they want to keep it anonymous." 

Ogawa, who uses a pseudonym to protect her real identity,

A rather silly question don't you think?

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To bow down and worship

Again - not all religions are about bowing down and worshiping.

A person would know that if they were more educated of world religions.

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The full conference is available in the FCCJ and other individual outlets' channels at Youtube. Spoken in Japanese followed by English interpretation.

旧統一協会問題 元2世信者が会見(2022年10月7日)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv1ZYvt2NO4

The "fax interruption" occurred somewhere at 50:00. Being distressed (?), she had to cancel some scheduled events right after that.

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One word. Separation of church and state.

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wanted to eliminate the damage caused by religion

That says it all. Religion indeed does poison everything. But the Moonies are one of the most potently virulent of the mix. There are many others like the Moonies, easy to think of them. JW for one.

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The Japanese government and the members within have allowed a giant leech to feed off the citizens of Japan and that is unconscionable…

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If Aum Shinrikyo is still allowed to exist and operate in Japan after murdering over 20 people and injuring thousands, there's no way the UC will be outlawed. Besides, the LDP like them.

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Saw Ogawa-san some time ago on 報道1930 on BS-TBS, she and persons like her are the cult's worse (PR) nightmare, Ogawa-san is: an indirect victim (child to cult followers), female, young (age 26), mother to a little baby, eloquent with a story to tell and has the national network of lawyers against spiritual sales (全国霊感商法対策弁護士連絡会 ) on her side.

Facing her is: a cult of weirdoes lead by Tanaka Tomihiro (age 66), a snakey guy repeatedly trying to wiggle out his cult's rear of this mess and called out several times as lying by the above network of lawyers.

Long story short: she has become the (masked) face of the cult's victims (at least the second generation of victims) to the public. It seems that the phone-line set up by the government has already received over a hundred calls by second generationers following the media coverage of her case.

Not mentioning that the public will stand with her against the oyajis both in politics and in the cult.

She went to hearings of the LDP's "working group" on the matter. Which also means that she is posed to become a problem to the LDP if the "working group" tries to bury the matter (which, of course, we are all expecting them to do) and which would definitely not be going down well with her as she already stood up to her own family and a cult, so calling them out for foul play would definitely be on the menu if they try to take her on a fool's errand.

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@noriahojanen

Just saw the part of the video. Tells you all you need to know about the cult and the extend they will go, but also all you need to know about Ogawa-san and her past but also present ordeal.

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Religion is just a very efficient means of social control . All of them

All of the worlds 4000 religions ?

Even the ones that aren't social ?

Wow !

I must admit iam extremely impressed that you have somehow found the time it would require to be ultimately knowledgeable of the world's 4000 religions.

Bravo !

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What a horrible satanic cult from S Korea. It must be banned from Japan once and for all.

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Religion, all you need to know…..

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Ms Ogawa is a hero for standing up to this bullying, controlling, evil and incredibly powerful cult.

Time to name and shame all members. Out them online and expose them to public scrutiny. Being a member should be instant dismissal from any workplace.

Absolute sickos.

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Awa no Gaijin wrote "All of the worlds 4000 religions ?" in response to the claim "Religion is just a very efficient means of social control, All of them". While I agree that it's hardly accurate to say "all of them", but of the ones that have the most influence on social mores, customs and beliefs and behavior, I would argue that that is demonstratively accurate. Also, all religions make claims about the supernatural which none have a single shred of evidence of. The authority from which claims are espoused is elevated as sacred in many religions and the regulations and customs surrounding beliefs vis a vis ritual, edicts etc. most certainly serve to control followers to keep them in lockstep with "the flock".

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More power to her.

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@Fighto!

It's difficult to draw the line between victim and offender here imo. People frequently become members at a time of hardship, loneliness, grief or any other situation in which they're looking for answers and easy to be taken advantage of by cults. As deplorable as any cult is, stigmatising and further isolating its lower ranking members might actually only make things worse.

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Goes to show the sorry state of the government/people chosen, to run/manage the country. With connections to a cult?? Its mind boggling.

Its time ordinary/regular Japanese take charge, of where they want the country to go. At the poll??

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In a response to all the negative press and exposure, the Unification Church said they will put a cap on how much money they coerce out of their members, now only 30% of their income.

I mean, how much were they taking before?!

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I really dont know how to feel about Yamagami. Of course murder is wrong, but his actions brought all of this sick corruption to light.

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I saw the press conference. It was harrowing but important to hear.

She said her family confiscated 2 million yen ($14,000) that she had saved by working a part-time job, adding the money has not been returned.

All the "ties" to the church are about this. Taking from the poor and giving to the rich, causing immeasurable suffering for nothing more than money in their accounts. If any of the politicians tied to the UC get a single vote, that's one vote too many.

I mean, how much were they taking before?!

From what Ogawa mentioned in the conference, pretty much everything as long as it allows basic survival to its members. I mean, Yamagami's mother sold her house and land because of them.

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All of the world's 4000 religions

While i agree its hardly accurate to say all of them

all religions make claims of the supernatural

To keep them in lockstep with the flock

This comment has contradicted itself with cognitive dissonance

Unless a person has actual factual knowledge of how all religions operate then they cannot possibly prove a point.

However opinion duly noted and rapidly discarded.

Thankyou and have a nice day !

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Nibek32Today  04:17 pm JST

In a response to all the negative press and exposure, the Unification Church said they will put a cap on how much money they coerce out of their members, now only 30% of their income.

I mean, how much were they taking before?!

It's said the leaflets about " the best way to borrow money" available among followers

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I mean, how much were they taking before?!

Not just that. But the fact they know how much is each of their members' income.

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Awa no Gaijin...

All of the worlds 4000 religions ?

Even the ones that aren't social ?

Yes, to an extent all religions exert social control. Some more than others.

Please teach us one that doesn't.

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It's time this evil cult was named and shamed. Confiscate all it's assets, and forbid all politicians from being in any way supportive of religions and cults unless they openly declare membership before standing for election.

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First time I expect UN experts to say something and press Japan to do something about this evil Korean cult.

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I personally disagree with Mr. Yamagami choice of actions, but I believe Mr. Yamagami has made a great sacrifice to expose and root out a source of evil and corruption underlining Japanese society and politics at the moment.

I would go so far as to claim Mr. Yamagami is probably the most influential Japanese person of 2022. His one act is still reverberating.

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I feel for this woman. It has to be tough to be born into a cult like this church seeing as how your parents have already been brainwashed and throw you, your savings and whatever to the cult. There's almost no escape.

Connections revealed between lawmakers of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party and the Unification Church have raised concerns that the group may have sought to exert political influence through the party.

'May' is definitely the wrong word here as I've never heard of any church that size that didn't try to gain political influence.

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'May' is definitely the wrong word here as I've never heard of any church that size that didn't try to gain political influence.

True. There is publicly available evidence that the UC has been involved with the LDP since its foundation. Kishi, Abe's grandfather, saw them as useful allies due to their anti-communist stance.

And yeah, more generally, organised religion is about power, as is politics. A match made in hell, the real one, not the one cult leaders scare their followers.

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The problem is not “religion”; the problem is people. People are are prone to greed and hunger for power. There are those who think that if the beliefs they happen to reject would just go away, we would all live in some sort of utopia. Ah, such touching faith in flawed humanity!

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It is fascinating to see how over the last 5 years, starting in 2017 with the Moritomo scandal, did 3 people manage to shake up J-politics by giving faces to 3 victims as well as face to those who committed crimes against them and many more:

.Akagi Toshio, who committed suicide over the Moritomo scandal who gave a face to all these so-called "(political) crimes without victims" (which, of course, all have victims!!) and Abe Shinzo and all those covering him as the culprits

.Yamagami Tetsuya, who murdered Abe who gave a face to all the victims of the Moonies with the Moonies and the LDP from Kishi Nobusuke through Abe Shintaro to Abe Shinzo and their resp. generations of LDP politicians who brought the Moonies to Japan, nurtured them, permitted them to thrive and remained in cahoots with them up to now as the culprits.

.Ogawa Sayuri, who came out as a second generation victim of the Moonies and gave them a face with the Moonies with Tanaka at the head of the Japan chapter of their organization and literally hundreds of current LDP politicians in bed with the Moonies up to now as the culprits.

It also shows how shakey the political construct in Japan has become, or most likely, always has been since the very beginning and how much it is like a house of cards ready to collapse due to a political cast marred by moral bankruptcy, corruption, greed, hunger for power, lack of accountability or any sense of responsibility and ready to try to get away with anything, including murder.

Japan needs change NOW and the pre-requisite for any serious attempt to do so is to throw the LDP and all those in cahoots with them in and out of politics into the trashcans of history once and for all.

Now the question is, will the J-public and J-voters be up to the task? Not holding my breath...

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Away no Gaijin....

They most certainly don't !

Yet you cannot name a single one...

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My sister, who never went to Church and really never believed in God, unfortunately lost her beloved son in an accident. In her deep sorrow and when she was trying to make sense of it, she said, "maybe this is how God wanted it". She needed to believe that somewhere something larger than us all existed and she needed to believe he went somewhere better than here. I guess I'm trying to say that we need religion in not for anything just to help those dealing with loss and difficult lives. That said, if a religion is more about money and power than they are about comforting and guiding their members, well then that isn't a religion, it is a cult.

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John Gorenfeld’s 2008 nonfiction book Bad Moon Rising: The Strange Untold Story of a Cult Leader, his Newspaper and the Right, with a new preface is now available free in convenient PDF form. It’s about the ongoing romance between conservative politicians and the Unification Church, the forgotten 1970s “Moonies” mass wedding cult.

https://www.gorenfeld.net/badmoonrising/

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Take Religion out of Politics - period.

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