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4 die in fire suppression system accident in Tokyo parking garage

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There are normally also buttons to open exit doors from the inside, basics.

They must have been caught by surprise.

Never heard of such technical error with so many casualties.

RIP

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Just to keep the record straight, this has happened repeatedly. Third time in the last few months.

https://www.city.nagoya.jp/shobo/page/0000136280.html

Workers died in Nagoya (December 2020) and Tokyo (January 2021) from accidental fire suppressant CO2 releases.

【名古屋市中区】(令和2年12月)

機械式立体駐車場の内部で、作業員が保守作業を行っていたところ、何らかの原因で消火剤(二酸化炭素)が立体駐車場内に放出され、人命が失われました。

【東京都】(令和3年1月)

不活性ガス消火設備(二酸化炭素消火設備)の消防設備点検作業を行っていたところ、何らかの原因で放出された消火剤(二酸化炭素)により作業員の方が亡くなられました。

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A fire suppression system designed to protect property/cars from damage but leathal for humans is not the best choice for a condominium car park. And accidentally triggered? Should not have your life in jeopardy doing your job, shouldn't it have been disabled while the work was being done? Health and safety rules might have prevented this disaster.

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These fire systems should only be used where needed a carpark water would be fine.

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Tragic that a system designed to save lives just took lives.

The system was not designed to save lives. It was designed to save property.

9 ( +9 / -0 )

Tragic that a system designed to save lives just took lives. You can bet that the company that designed this system didn't take every scenario into account when they began selling their extremely dangerous product.

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Japan is known for having a poor workplace safety record but this is just tragic. How can there be no way out for people when it's supposed to contain fire?! Were they able to call someone on the outside to open it? Bizarre.

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Tragic. My thoughts are with the family and friends of the decedents.

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Its a parking garage. It should have been a sprinkler system. Having a CO2 injection system anywhere that people could possibly be is sheer criminal. Is this even legal in Japan. I know that in most western countries it would never be allowed.

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Previously in building maintenance I have been responsible for checking these systems. Halon fire suppression systems was another and poisonous if inhaled.

Large computer rooms usually had Halon systems. Many countries banned the Halon systems but grandfather systems allowed to stay in place. Replaced with the carbon dioxide systems.

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CO2 and Halogen, elements which take away oxygen to stop a fire should never be used near where there are people . . . . elsewhere, typically, water is used until emergency crew have arrived.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Must have been terrible to experience this. I just watched this news on morning TV. RIP. Sorry to hear it.

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What a horrible story. RIP.

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Terrible tragedy, but it is looking like a case of human error. Apparently, one of the workers activated the system by mistake.

Why they didn't immediately shut it off, or why they were unable to get out in time still needs to be investigated.

As some Japanese commenters have said online, the media is confusing matters by using the word "誤作動", which makes it sound like the system malfunctioned, rather than "誤操作", meaning that one off the workers made the mistake.

I guess the lone survivor when be able to clarify what happened soon enough.

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Very sad tragic accident killing four is quite unusual.

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Very unfortunate.

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According to fire department authorities, when a fire suppression system of this type activates, there is a warning message urging evacuation and CO2 is released after a certain period of time.

So did that happen in his case? Doesn't seem like it. Maybe there needs to be some kind of manual override built into this system. RIP to the men.

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@nandakandamanda

Just to keep the record straight, this has happened repeatedly. Third time in the last few months.

I find very difficult to understand something so prone to cause accidental deaths can be used commonly. Is this some kind of catastrophic failure kind of thing?

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You can bet that the company that designed this system didn't take every scenario into account when they began selling their extremely dangerous product.

They may have thought they did, but I'm certain their office is busy today.

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Apologies alone will not suffice. There needs to be compensation.

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Tragic, all the more so because it should have been avoidable. I hope the victims' familities are compensated fairly. All too often, the wealthy corporations get off just paying a pittance, or prolong the settlement to reduce their cost, as the victims were subcontractors from a tiny gyousha that's pressured not to rock the boat.

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Why wasn’t the system disabled before maintenance work took place?

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However, *@Kumagauijin 8:10am,* there will be ‘no liability’ on part of the building owners, designers or fire suppression systems installers.

It’s speculation but, an ‘internal investigation’ will, more than likely, disclose the deceased maintainence workers’ ‘negligience and due care’ in their ‘ceiling work’ caused the unintentional and accidental discharge. “Brown envelopes” will be exchanged/delivered to the contractors, ’Compensation’ will be made to the families, and the 2 survivors will have substantial incentives to settle.

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Agreed, “terrible tragedy”. So, @PerformingMonkey 12:42p, are you implying the ‘English’ media here, got it wrong, again, incorrectly translating the Japanese news in order to cultivate erroneous and flawed speculation?

“... it is looking like a case of human error. Apparently, one of the workers activated the system by mistake... As some Japanese commenters have said online, the media is confusing matters by using the word "誤作動", which makes it sound like the system malfunctioned, rather than "誤操作", meaning that one off the workers made the mistake....guess the lone survivor when be able to clarify what happened soon enough.” -

Sensationalism ‘sells’ more than ‘truth’?

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 implying the ‘English’ media here, got it wrong, again, incorrectly translating the Japanese news in order to cultivate erroneous and flawed speculation?

No. I am stating that the Japanese media is being careless with words to begin with.

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Poor father who lost two sons, 58 and 59 in this tragedy.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6390902

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It seems like it was "designed" to kill while just for property.

I never trusted the fire prevention safety rules in Japan (I am a former fire safety specialist mostly for residential and public buildings)

6 strong men knowing the installation and only one to know how to escape and save hosnlife.

H&S rules indeed very very very poor more so as this is not first time apparently.

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Sad news, I hope proper training is given or equipment replaced or maybe a escape route be made. I hope never again this happens in future. I am very sad.

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